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TyrantWD posted:There is an army of unqualified nazi judges with lifetime appointments that say otherwise. Those nazi judges are in there because of the lesser of two evils scheme. We tried doing lesser of two evils in 2016, and guess what, it didn't work. We got big evil anyway. So no more. I'm done. I'm not wasting time trying to make lesser of two evils happen when half the time it doesn't even work. Bernie or Bust.
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empty whippet box posted:Yep, we are. gently caress anyone and everyone who isn't Bernie Sanders, I don't do this 'lesser of two evils' poo poo anymore. People who enable Trump winning by staying home are worse than Trump voters. At least they are getting the outcome they want.
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TyrantWD posted:There is an army of unqualified nazi judges with lifetime appointments that say otherwise. A lot of us voted for Clinton in 2016, I know I did. Sure didn't stop us from getting Trump.
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PerniciousKnid posted:Can you link an article about the hundreds of children separated from their parents for months by Obama's order? I'm not familiar with that. Your right, Obama didn’t ban Muslims from entering this country, he air mailed them wedding gifts.
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Feb 5, 2020 17:22
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Gripweed posted:Those nazi judges are in there because of the lesser of two evils scheme. We tried doing lesser of two evils in 2016, and guess what, it didn't work. We got big evil anyway. So no more. I'm done. I'm not wasting time trying to make lesser of two evils happen when half the time it doesn't even work. Bernie or Bust. I'd like a citation that it has, in fact, ever worked.
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Feb 5, 2020 17:23
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TyrantWD posted:People who enable Trump winning by staying home are worse than Trump voters. At least they are getting the outcome they want. Guess you better nominate Sanders then
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Gripweed posted:Those nazi judges are in there because of the lesser of two evils scheme. We tried doing lesser of two evils in 2016, and guess what, it didn't work. We got big evil anyway. So no more. I'm done. I'm not wasting time trying to make lesser of two evils happen when half the time it doesn't even work. Bernie or Bust. Hillary being bad doesn't mean Bernie would win. This is a pretty right win country, and as we saw in the Iowa caucus, ratfuck or not, Bernie doesn't have the mass appeal we want him to have.
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TyrantWD posted:People who enable Trump winning by staying home are worse than Trump voters. At least they are getting the outcome they want. Listen, regardless of if you like them or not, they’re needed to win so you just have to suck it up and work to nominate Bernie. For the sake of beating Trump. It’s not fair but neither is politics.
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Imagine being unable to count to "maybe" 150,000 in 48h with a team of people.
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TyrantWD posted:This is a pretty right win country, and as we saw in the Iowa caucus lmao this was a good bit.
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TyrantWD posted:Hillary being bad doesn't mean Bernie would win. This is a pretty right win country, and as we saw in the Iowa caucus, ratfuck or not, Bernie doesn't have the mass appeal we want him to have. gonna need you to take a peek at my gangtag pal
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TyrantWD posted:Hillary being bad doesn't mean Bernie would win. This is a pretty right win country, and as we saw in the Iowa caucus, ratfuck or not, Bernie doesn't have the mass appeal we want him to have. (Editor’s Note: Bernie won the mass appeal in the Iowa Caucus.)
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TyrantWD posted:Hillary being bad doesn't mean Bernie would win. This is a pretty right win country, and as we saw in the Iowa caucus, ratfuck or not, Bernie doesn't have the mass appeal we want him to have.
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Private Witt posted:Sanders is at 25 or so, give or take. Biden, Buttigieg, and Klobuchar are at 40 combined, give or take. First, you assume, without basis, that these people are all ideologically driven and will join hands to stop the great leftist menace. Polling and political science doesn't bear that out. Tons of people are non-ideological and it's hard to know how things shift when you start removing options. Regarding the "probable nominee" sure, if you assume that everyone other than Warren joins forces under him, and Warren, Super Butt, and Sanders are the only options, in that fantasy hypothetical, he may win. Unfortunately for you, and fortunately for America, that hypothetical is utterly removed from reality.
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Feb 5, 2020 17:25
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Apocalypse posted:Obama only separated children from parents when they were caught illegally coming into the country AND had evidence of committing some other major offense, like drug smuggling. Obviously you can't keep a kid with a parent who is also a drug mule. Lol that you actually buy this
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My inspiring Geralt quote was not meant to be taken seriously comrades
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RottenK posted:hell yeah, glad to see people with large platforms spreading this position I despise Chapo and all that sort of irony left poo poo but if this is what it takes to get the DNC and the establishment party in general to stop loving around then so be it. Parrotine posted:Jesus Christ, are people gonna actually do this? Pick up their ball and go home if their trend-setting superstar candidate doesnt take the nom? I'm voting for Bernard Sanders for President in November, hope the Democratic Party is smart enough to make sure he ends up on the ballot. I held my nose and voted for HRC in 2016, I won't compromise for some centrist piece of poo poo ever again because it benefits nobody except the comfortable and the elite.
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Also people are misinterpreting Bernie's 2016 caucus strength as strength in in caucuses forever. Organization and passion help, but caucus goers are also contrarian and strategic in a way that you don't get in primaries. In a primary the most good I can do for my guy and the most damage I can do against the other guy is to vote for my guy. If I'm a non-viable Biden supporter in a caucus, I've got a second opportunity to help someone else from running away with it. I mention this to help us navigate the inevitable wave of "the only important thing from Iowa is second choice support" talking point that is going to be everywhere this week. Edit: like this one TyrantWD posted:Hillary being bad doesn't mean Bernie would win. This is a pretty right win country, and as we saw in the Iowa caucus, ratfuck or not, Bernie doesn't have the mass appeal we want him to have.
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If the dems somehow took the senate in 2016 but Trump still won the presidency there is a very high chance that the same nazi judges that were confirmed in our reality would be confirmed in the other one as well. The dems give no shits about doing anything but upholding the status quo and playing nice with the people that would gleefully rape, exploit, and kill their children, and also the GOP
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Trabisnikof posted:Listen, regardless of if you like them or not, they’re needed to win so you just have to suck it up and work to nominate Bernie. For the sake of beating Trump. It’s not fair but neither is politics. I'm rooting for Bernie, but Bernie or Bust is worse than being a MAGA chud. RBG is staying alive out of pure spite at the moment, but she is not hanging on until November 2024. Heck, I'd go for a Bloomberg/Booker ticket if that's the alternative.
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Mat Cauthon posted:I despise Chapo and all that sort of irony left poo poo but if this is what it takes to get the DNC and the establishment party in general to stop loving around then so be it. They would dissolve themselves as a party and merge with the GOP before they put Sanders on the ballot. And I’m saying this as a rabid Bernie supporter, but will end up voting for whoever is not-Trump.
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TyrantWD posted:I'm rooting for Bernie, but Bernie or Bust is worse than being a MAGA chud. RBG is staying alive out of pure spite at the moment, but she is not hanging on until November 2024. Heck, I'd go for a Bloomberg/Booker ticket if that's the alternative. Yeah gently caress off
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TyrantWD posted:I'm rooting for Bernie, but Bernie or Bust is worse than being a MAGA chud. RBG is staying alive out of pure spite at the moment, but she is not hanging on until November 2024. Heck, I'd go for a Bloomberg/Booker ticket if that's the alternative. Who cares if you go for a ticket that can't possibly win?
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Gripweed posted:We tried doing lesser of two evils in 2016, and guess what, it didn't work. We got big evil anyway. So no more. I'm done. I'm not wasting time trying to make lesser of two evils happen when half the time it doesn't even work. Bernie or Bust. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Feb 5, 2020 |
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Cicero posted:Bernie won the popular vote, which demonstrates his lack of mass appeal? With what, 28% of the vote?
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TyrantWD posted:I'm rooting for Bernie, but Bernie or Bust is worse than being a MAGA chud. RBG is staying alive out of pure spite at the moment, but she is not hanging on until November 2024. Heck, I'd go for a Bloomberg/Booker ticket if that's the alternative. Ginsberg could've retired when the Democrats had Senate control.
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TyrantWD posted:With what, 28% of the vote? Only like 25% of eligible voters put Trump in the white house
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TyrantWD posted:I'm rooting for Bernie, but Bernie or Bust is worse than being a MAGA chud. RBG is staying alive out of pure spite at the moment, but she is not hanging on until November 2024. Heck, I'd go for a Bloomberg/Booker ticket if that's the alternative. Why would a republican senate confirm a dem nominated supreme court judge? Asking for a friend
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TyrantWD posted:I'm rooting for Bernie, but Bernie or Bust is worse than being a MAGA chud. RBG is staying alive out of pure spite at the moment, but she is not hanging on until November 2024. Heck, I'd go for a Bloomberg/Booker ticket if that's the alternative. Again, you’re just going to have to bite your tongue and work hard to elect Bernie because 2016 proved they won’t be shamed into voting. Posting at them won’t work. They won’t be convinced. So you have to be the adult in the room and work to elect Bernie. Also Bloomberg would almost certainly usher in true fascism quicker than Trump.
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TyrantWD posted:With what, 28% of the vote? In a field of 7 candidates? Yeah that tends to happen
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mcmagic posted:LOL No he's not. He's in single digits in every state that isn't 95% white. Not to mention he's going to get obliterated by Sanders in New Hampshire. He probably won't finish ahead of Warren there either. Might be lucky to finish 4th.
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TyrantWD posted:I'm rooting for Bernie, but Bernie or Bust is worse than being a MAGA chud. RBG is staying alive out of pure spite at the moment, but she is not hanging on until November 2024. Heck, I'd go for a Bloomberg/Booker ticket if that's the alternative. What if the Bernie or Buster is, say, Palestinian-American, and refuses to support Zionist candidates. Are they worse than a MAGA chud?
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TyrantWD posted:I'm rooting for Bernie, but Bernie or Bust is worse than being a MAGA chud. RBG is staying alive out of pure spite at the moment, but she is not hanging on until November 2024. Heck, I'd go for a Bloomberg/Booker ticket if that's the alternative. Halloween Jack posted:It's been funny watching the usual suspects go from VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO to VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO IS WHITE SUPREMACY!!! as their favourite candidates wither on the vine and Sanders keeps going strong.
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Gripweed posted:Those nazi judges are in there because of the lesser of two evils scheme. We tried doing lesser of two evils in 2016, and guess what, it didn't work. We got big evil anyway. So no more. I'm done. I'm not wasting time trying to make lesser of two evils happen when half the time it doesn't even work. Bernie or Bust. I want to put this post in a speech bubble of some guy standing looking at a Central American baby in an American concentration camp. Or a 15 year old rape victim on her deathbed after she wasn't able to get a life-saving abortion. Alas, I'm not good enough at photoshop. So you'll just have to imagine it.
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Halloween Jack posted:I'm really loving sick of people pointing to a car that just crashed into a tree and exploded, exclaiming "This is the only vehicle that can go all the way to the White House, shut up and get in!" Liberal centrism is dying, and good riddance. If you trust the brain geniuses that gave us Trump in the first place to defeat him, you need to be put in a care facility rather than a voting booth.
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Classon Ave. Robot posted:lol all those things you hate so much about Trump are just the things that Obama was doing all along and getting away with because he's a charismatic guy who doesn't say the quiet part loud. Exactly. Apocalypse posted:Obama only separated children from parents when they were caught illegally coming into the country AND had evidence of committing some other major offense, like drug smuggling. Obviously you can't keep a kid with a parent who is also a drug mule. Trump started separating all children from their parents just to inflict maximum pain on these people. Other than that, Obama also faced a crisis in his second-term when a wave of parent-less children came to the US. Sometimes Republicans like to point to those kids who were also detained and pretend like Obama separated them as well. Ah, so he means-tested the brutality, which makes it okay! Liberalism at work. Per chance do you know why there was a huge surge in parent-less immigrants in Obama's second term? Does it happen to involve foreign policy decisions by his Secretary of State? TyrantWD posted:I'm rooting for Bernie, but Bernie or Bust is worse than being a MAGA chud. RBG is staying alive out of pure spite at the moment, but she is not hanging on until November 2024. Heck, I'd go for a Bloomberg/Booker ticket if that's the alternative. RBG and Breyer both should've retired in 2009 when they had the chance, sorry she has to spend the rest of her life being mostly ineffective instead of only mildly.
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Ginette Reno posted:Not to mention he's going to get obliterated by Sanders in New Hampshire. NH in his last chance for a good finish since there are an outsized number of old white morons there and there is a poll showing him in 2nd. I wouldn't be surprised if he does well Tuesday.
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“Listen when Bloomberg set up the Ring/NSA partnership it was only to help the fight against sugar and weed smugglers, how could we know that President Crenshaw would use it for evil??”
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Pook Good Mook posted:Someone asked me this yesterday. I'm not super comfortable giving my precinct, but I will say it's a county in eastern Iowa, non-urban, that has Pete narrowly beating Bernie in delegates. Bernie was #1 choice in my county by popular vote. All of the Bernie captains were also super well trained and we were working through things with the precinct leaders to make sure everything was documented. Everyone I talk to in the area says the reported numbers are right on. Totally fair. I wasn't going to give my precinct either. Here I have my numbers if folks want to know. I did have to remove two people from my caucus for showing up late. One old dude wanted to fight me about it. These numbers are after folks eyeballed the room and moved about BEFORE we aligned the first time. When folks FIRST walked in: First Walk In, approx Numbers: Biden,Pete,Sanders,Warren: At least 20+/Obviously Viable Steyer: 6 Yang: 4 Klobuchar: 8 Uncommited: 3 1st Alignment/2nd Alignment Klobuchar: 1/0 - Not Viable Biden: 30/30 - They initially said 32 which put us into a tail spin but I figured out and went to the cards, of which there were 30. Bam Warren: 25/26 Buttigieg: 31/31 Yang: 2/1 - One went to another camp, the other refused to realign. 1 vote for Yang, not viable Sanders: 49/51 Uncommited: 1/0 - Not Viable Delegate Numbers: Biden :1.7266 - 2 Warren: 1.4964 - 1 Buttigieg: 1.784 - 2 Sanders: 2.9352 - 3
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