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maltesh
May 20, 2004

Uncle Ben: Still Dead.

Tenebrais posted:

The riddle also doesn't make sense when one of the guards is explaining the riddle.

"Of course both doors were allowed to lie. You're breaking into my tomb, trying to steal my stuff. If I wanted you to have it, there'd be gift bags by the entrance."

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Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


maltesh posted:

"Of course both doors were allowed to lie. You're breaking into my tomb, trying to steal my stuff. If I wanted you to have it, there'd be gift bags by the entrance."

:argh:

Unlucky7
Jul 11, 2006

Fallen Rib
The anime Yu Gi Oh tried to do the two doors thing as well. One character solved it by the traditional method, but the main character somehow sussed that they were both lying, though I am still not sure how he did it. I think that it is when that the guards, themselves, are explaining the riddle that automatically makes it suspect.

Neophyte
Apr 23, 2006

perennially
Taco Defender
It's not so much the trap keeping people out I think, it's more about letting the right ones in. Only the ones you approve of get all your stuff after you're dead.

Like the Holy Grail lets the "penitent man" in who chose the most humble cup, maybe a traditional door puzzle is a traditionalist filtering for people who are big into tradition, or a fake-out door puzzle is a gatekeeper for someone who lived and died a outside-the-box thinker.

Or maybe it's the other way, where you just hate anyone who wasn't like you. So the Tomb of Horrors-style dungeon is a total rear end in a top hat's way to be a total rear end in a top hat even after they've died, and only total assholes who send in crowds of sacrificial adventurers first to set off the traps will get your rear end in a top hat treasures.

Or maybe you wanted to trap some of the posters in this thread!

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


SFW page, by the way :v:

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Oglaf is the true successor to Sexy Losers/The Thin H Line, and all that entails.

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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PMush Perfect posted:

Daughter of Lillies is the one with the hooded/masked female character and it seemed like they were going to go for some really cool "she's full on Be Ye Not Afraid angel" thing, right? And in the end it was just more fantasy racism.
Thistle isn't an eldritch angel, she's just a member of a species with an isolationist xenophobic culture that thus gets classified as vermin. However, there are eldritch angels and Thistle is some sort of Chosen One from an ancient lineage of Chosen Ones, so it's still pretty cool.

More to the point my impression is that while Daughter of the Lilies is definitely not Christian Literature it's written from a leftist Christian perspective and as cool as Thistle covering herself because she radiates light and is covered in eyes would be, her initially being an ordinary person from a persecuted minority defined by her intense compassion and selected for a deeper destiny by the forces of Good despite her struggles with self-worth fits that framework better.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

PetraCore posted:

Thistle isn't an eldritch angel, she's just a member of a species with an isolationist xenophobic culture that thus gets classified as vermin. However, there are eldritch angels and Thistle is some sort of Chosen One from an ancient lineage of Chosen Ones, so it's still pretty cool.

More to the point my impression is that while Daughter of the Lilies is definitely not Christian Literature it's written from a leftist Christian perspective and as cool as Thistle covering herself because she radiates light and is covered in eyes would be, her initially being an ordinary person from a persecuted minority defined by her intense compassion and selected for a deeper destiny by the forces of Good despite her struggles with self-worth fits that framework better.

I don't think "persecuted minority" works for Thistle's situation, it's not like Secret Cave Elves are a minority in surface society. She's more a complete stranger. She's Drizzt do'Urden, except as a healer rather than a swordsman. She's obscuring her identity because she tries to fit in and her origin would prevent that, but from a "normal" cave elven perspective, she's just playing with her food.

It's the kind of things that makes fantasy racism very awkward to map to real world situations.

Bobulus
Jan 28, 2007

PetraCore posted:

However, there are eldritch angels and Thistle is some sort of Chosen One from an ancient lineage of Chosen Ones, so it's still pretty cool.

Is this something the author said outside the comic? Because I didn't get that feel for it at all.

The implied backstory, as I read it, is that there are this select group of people with holy powers and mythical forms. Dragon guy is one, and the person Thistle worked for, a super old guy with a phoenix theme, was another. When he died, he passed his mojo on to her, and she has no idea how to deal with it. While she had 'potential' or whatever, the cave elves didn't seem to have any special relation to this group, as far as I could tell? It seems like the only reason she was even there was that, like, the old guy or possibly the evil woman who worked for him was experimenting with nature vs nurture and was trying to see what a Cave Elf raised in human civilization would be like.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

PetraCore posted:

Thistle isn't an eldritch angel, she's just a member of a species with an isolationist xenophobic culture that thus gets classified as vermin. However, there are eldritch angels and Thistle is some sort of Chosen One from an ancient lineage of Chosen Ones, so it's still pretty cool.

More to the point my impression is that while Daughter of the Lilies is definitely not Christian Literature it's written from a leftist Christian perspective and as cool as Thistle covering herself because she radiates light and is covered in eyes would be, her initially being an ordinary person from a persecuted minority defined by her intense compassion and selected for a deeper destiny by the forces of Good despite her struggles with self-worth fits that framework better.

aren't the only other cave elves we've seen actual loincloth-clad cannibals squatting in a cave murdering passersby

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

aren't the only other cave elves we've seen actual loincloth-clad cannibals squatting in a cave murdering passersby

Perhaps, but they have language, so they're not unthinking animals.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

where's that I'm sad goblins comic

Elysiume
Aug 13, 2009

Alone, she fights.


https://twitter.com/tg_weaver/status/1089286642207051776

Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013
I went to see how many comic makers are still posting there, but Smackjeeves has been effectively inaccessable for the past few days.

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?
Here's the thing about DoL. It's very competent. Nothing it actually does is unexpected or original, and for the archetypical story it's very well put-together. It's what a TVTroper thinks they're writing when they create something on the assumption that more tropes = better.

I just really thought/hoped we might be getting something else and I'm not really drawn in any more, because as good as it is, it's not compelling. Daughter of Lillies is exactly what it wants to be, and I know exactly what it's going to be, and I just don't have the energy for another 'pretty good' webcomic.

Edit: In some regards, it reminds me of when I thought Saturday in Cucumber Quest was actually going to be hiding her real name of Princess Sundae, because it'd be a clever pun, and also a break from the "one princess from each kingdom one after the next" pattern, at just the right time where it had become expected. A disappointing feeling of hoping for an "I KNEW IT" moment, and instead just realizing you came up with something more clever than the author did. CQ was still fantastic, and I read it right up until the end, but I do admit to drifting a bit during the hiatus and the last unfinished arc.

girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Feb 3, 2020

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

This collage is such an assault on the senses

https://twitter.com/tg_weaver/status/1089288073081368576

Man, Goblins is just such a repellent comic.

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


Yeah, it's not even well drawn torture porn! :v:

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014


yeah that one ty

PMush Perfect posted:

Here's the thing about DoL. It's very competent. Nothing it actually does is unexpected or original, and for the archetypical story it's very well put-together. It's what a TVTroper thinks they're writing when they create something on the assumption that more tropes = better.

I just really thought/hoped we might be getting something else and I'm not really drawn in any more, because as good as it is, it's not compelling. Daughter of Lillies is exactly what it wants to be, and I know exactly what it's going to be, and I just don't have the energy for another 'pretty good' webcomic.

Edit: In some regards, it reminds me of when I thought Saturday in Cucumber Quest was actually going to be hiding her real name of Princess Sundae, because it'd be a clever pun, and also a break from the "one princess from each kingdom one after the next" pattern, at just the right time where it had become expected. A disappointing feeling of hoping for an "I KNEW IT" moment, and instead just realizing you came up with something more clever than the author did. CQ was still fantastic, and I read it right up until the end, but I do admit to drifting a bit during the hiatus and the last unfinished arc.

yeah IDK why the world needed yet one more standard-issue Dungeons and Dragons fantasy comic, it coulda gone somewhere if she really went hard on the whole theological aspect and the society quietly running on diabolism but nope nothing to see here.

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Feb 3, 2020

Twenty Four
Dec 21, 2008


Bobulus posted:

I think in one of the chase scenes, the protagonist knocks over someone carrying a rare ancient artifact and it's literally a flashlight and two D batteries.
On DotL:

I forgot about this too, but you are right, its right here https://daughterofthelilies.com/dotl/329

I was wondering how I forgot these things then I looked at the dates on the pages and realized that this stuff was all shown like 5 years ago and couldn't believe it has been that long, so no wonder I forgot since the comic is just sort of trudging along now.

PMush Perfect posted:

Here's the thing about DoL. It's very competent. Nothing it actually does is unexpected or original, and for the archetypical story it's very well put-together.

I just really thought/hoped we might be getting something else and I'm not really drawn in any more, because as good as it is, it's not compelling. Daughter of Lillies is exactly what it wants to be

Thats basically how I feel about it now. It seemed to be building towards some really neat ideas and possibilities, like it could have been something really fresh and new. Then the "big reveal" that it was building towards for years turned out to not be that big of a deal, and even the comic itself dismissed it almost the second it happened. Now the comic seems to just be coasting along, not doing much of anything, which isn't helped by the infrequent random update schedule.

It really feels like the author had scripted up to a point, ran out of ideas, but doesn't want to give up on their baby so now the cast has literally just been sitting around a fire reading a book for the past couple of years.

I have enjoyed it and still read it on occasion but I think that has more to do with hoping that something interesting happens then honestly expecting anything to. Even just a wrap up or something.

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?
Also, "I hate historical fiction" was framed like it was supposed to be some big reveal? Didn't exactly stick that particular landing.

Twenty Four
Dec 21, 2008


PMush Perfect posted:

Also, "I hate historical fiction" was framed like it was supposed to be some big reveal? Didn't exactly stick that particular landing.

I took that as more of a tongue in cheek joke then anything and thought it was pretty good. Might have had something to do with me just recently being reminded of all the background setting hints though.

Bismack Billabongo
Oct 9, 2012

New Love Glow
Demon was good.

Zeeman
May 8, 2007

Say WHAT?! You KNOW that post is wack, homie!
https://twitter.com/theonion/status/1224435656480346113?s=21

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

Welp, I thought that was real for a second because that's a spot-on ringer for PA's art.

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?
It looks more like PA than PA does.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

Hostile V posted:

Welp, I thought that was real for a second because that's a spot-on ringer for PA's art.

That would be because PA's art style is easily replicatable garbage. A cup of newgrounds, a spoonful of John K, a few bulbous noses, just a dash of Tartakovsky, let it ferment for about a decade, and there you go.

hallelujah
Jan 26, 2020

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
a fermented spoonful of john k sounds like a ceremonial nordic beverage

Mister Beeg
Sep 7, 2012

A Certified Jerk

Mister Beeg posted:

I guess I can talk about my comic here a bit. I've been doing "The Fuzzy Princess" for over 3 years now (I started it in late 2016), with more on the way. I realize the rather newspaper comics-ish drawing style might be a turnoff for some people, although I'm having fun with it, either way.

I had a successful Kickstarter last year for the first book, which collected the first year of the comic. I'm gonna do another one in the coming weeks for the second book. I'm pretty excited about it because I think the comic really improved in the 2nd year. Also it has an introduction by Dana Simpson of "Phoebe and Her Unicorn" fame, which really made my day when I got it.

Wanted to give an update, the new campaign is up!

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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Cat Mattress posted:

I don't think "persecuted minority" works for Thistle's situation, it's not like Secret Cave Elves are a minority in surface society. She's more a complete stranger. She's Drizzt do'Urden, except as a healer rather than a swordsman. She's obscuring her identity because she tries to fit in and her origin would prevent that, but from a "normal" cave elven perspective, she's just playing with her food.

It's the kind of things that makes fantasy racism very awkward to map to real world situations.
Thistle was apparently raised in a bit of an odd situation by the Wizard who passed his power to her and his other apprentice was the woman who hates her and is a diabolist, or something. We don't really know when or how she left the caves.

You're right, though, the cave elves are so isolated it doesn't really map to other stuff. Again, we don't really have a ton of the context, but it seems like they actively reject any diplomacy or trade with other races, which puts them in a different situation than, say, elves writing nasty books about orcs because orcs wouldn't give up their land. It leaves a situation where it's impossible for anyone from the outside to actually have any understanding of the culture or society going on because they'll just run into raiding parties closer to the surface. There is apparently some more complex societal stuff going on that Thistle has the context for, but that doesn't really change the fact that...

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

aren't the only other cave elves we've seen actual loincloth-clad cannibals squatting in a cave murdering passersby

Basically from the very barebones context we've got the only person rando cave elves would respect enough as a fellow person to talk to and work out stuff with would specifically be a female cave elf who somehow had knowledge of and identity with the surface, which isn't a thing that's likely to happen because the matriarchs stay down deeper in the caves or something. Thistle fits that bill, which is a slightly more interesting spin than Dritzz in that instead of just being the rebel drow I think she might ultimately end up helping drag the cave elves out of their self-imposed violent xenophobic squatting, because she's the only person who understands the underlying culture, is considered a person by that culture, and gives enough of a poo poo to try and help, since to everyone else they're just literal CHUDs.

Anyway this just is part of my point that there's some genuinely interesting things going on with DoTL but the pace is glacial. I don't think they're out of ideas at all, I think they know exactly where they're going, but the chapters are long and decompressed, the update schedule is slow, and there's decently long breaks between chapters. Combine that with the artist having occasional flare-ups of hand issues delaying pages even further and it's really easy to lose the thread or to just get bored because you're really interested in the weird magic stuff but instead they've been wandering in a forest for half a year.

PetraCore fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Feb 4, 2020

hallelujah
Jan 26, 2020

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
i'm a cave elf irl

rannum
Nov 3, 2012

I'm not sure which anime insert song is starting up in Sleepless domain but things are hitting the fan regardless

IronSaber
Feb 24, 2009

:roboluv: oh yes oh god yes form the head FORM THE HEAD unghhhh...:fap:

rannum posted:

I'm not sure which anime insert song is starting up in Sleepless domain but things are hitting the fan regardless

Seems like a boss battle is coming up, so I imagine it's this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhW-pYTNC4M

Rand Brittain
Mar 25, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."
Get ‘er, Undine. Send her to Scrubtown.

Galvanik
Feb 28, 2013

I always liked this solution to the door riddle.

rannum
Nov 3, 2012

IronSaber posted:

Seems like a boss battle is coming up, so I imagine it's this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhW-pYTNC4M

with a switch to the vocal version at the climax

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

Can I just say that I love pacing in the final chapter of Oh Human Star, they're just going to lunch together. The normalcy of the event is heartwarming. What an amazing comic.

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

This guy in Ten Earth Shattering Blows singing Bohemian Rhapsody poses a lot of questions about the setting.

rannum
Nov 3, 2012

last two pages of monster pulse are fairly :ohdear:

Morbi
Aug 7, 2013

CONTRABAND

Tenebrais posted:

This guy in Ten Earth Shattering Blows singing Bohemian Rhapsody poses a lot of questions about the setting.

Queen is a universal constant

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hallelujah
Jan 26, 2020

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
i'm so stoked to binge oh human star :kimchi:

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