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Oracle posted:Maybe he knows something about Trump's health... maybe, but i think romney has probably seen all the polling and backroom talking and all that and figures trump is probably hosed and the GOP senate majority might be too. romney is an empty suit but he is smart enough to try to realize that bending over for trump will end him. it also helps that his state doesnt care for trump that much.
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Mitt probably ruined Trump's day; anything else after that is just gravy. I don't really care how many times Mitt gets to go on the Sunday shows or if he becomes the new hero of the NeverTrumpers like Rubin and Navarro. It spoiled Donny's little quinceanera. Whether he did it for selfish reasons or not is irrelevant to me; the effect is the same.
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Tibalt posted:If Trump loses his re-election, Romney is absolutely safe. 4 years is a long time to memory hole Trump Trump does not want to be memory holed and he doesn't care if it would be good for anyone else or the party as a whole.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Mitt probably ruined Trump's day; anything else after that is just gravy. I don't really care how many times Mitt gets to go on the Sunday shows or if he becomes the new hero of the NeverTrumpers like Rubin and Navarro. It spoiled Donny's little quinceanera. Like trump is going to care about anything other than acquittal.
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yronic heroism posted:We’ll probably never know if it was the straw that broke the camel’s back but lol at Trump being dumb af to vow revenge on Mitt over witnesses before the final vote. If anything, Romney gives Manchin and Sinema cover to vote for removal. If they were going to lose their seats, it would happen no matter how they voted here. TyrantWD fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Feb 5, 2020 |
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haveblue posted:Trump does not want to be memory holed and he doesn't care if it would be good for anyone else or the party as a whole.
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HootTheOwl posted:Like trump is going to care about anything other than acquittal. Yeah, why would one of the most notoriously petty men in the entirety of the US care about something small and trivial.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Mitt probably ruined Trump's day; anything else after that is just gravy. I don't really care how many times Mitt gets to go on the Sunday shows or if he becomes the new hero of the NeverTrumpers like Rubin and Navarro. It spoiled Donny's little quinceanera. same. he did the right thing when it mattered and doing so gave cover to Manchin and Sinema.
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Tibalt posted:If Trump loses, no one in the RNC is going to take his calls, and he won't remember the phone number in 3 years anyway. If Trump loses his Twitter feed will effectively replace the RNC.
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Tibalt posted:If Trump loses, no one in the RNC is going to take his calls, and he won't remember the phone number in 3 years anyway. They can't shut down his twitter, so unless he gets thrown in prison he can still talk to anyone who wants to listen
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I am genuinely surprised by Romney showing contrition and the pretence of morality on this one. Good for him.
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The Glumslinger posted:Trump is going to make them fight that battle I'm dumb.
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HootTheOwl posted:Like trump is going to care about anything other than acquittal. LOL, I don't think you know anything about Donald John Trump at all.
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What Romney just did honestly deserves commendation. Not that doing the right thing deserves asspats, but having the guts to do it knowing that his party is going to tear him apart for it is respectable. I wonder if he will switch parties after this. Probably not, but it would be interesting to see.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:same. he did the right thing when it mattered and doing so gave cover to Manchin and Sinema. Manchin hasn't said anything, but I think the likelihood of him voting yes on at least one article just went up significantly.
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Framboise posted:What Romney just did honestly deserves commendation. Not that doing the right thing deserves asspats, but having the guts to do it knowing that his party is going to tear him apart for it is respectable. i dont think so. like i said. he is doing this because 1. he hates trump for various reasons and probably does believe he is guilty. 2 he believes this will help him rebuild the GOP after trump falls. https://twitter.com/EliStokols/status/1225142143779508225
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Framboise posted:What Romney just did honestly deserves commendation. Not that doing the right thing deserves asspats, but having the guts to do it knowing that his party is going to tear him apart for it is respectable. yes the Dems need another (D) that votes along with Republicans 90% of the time
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I presume we are going to get a couple of approved GoP voters that will vote for removal to make the process seem more "even"
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CyberPingu posted:I presume we are going to get a couple of approved GoP voters that will vote for removal to make the process seem more "even" i think we will but it wont be approved.
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CyberPingu posted:I presume we are going to get a couple of approved GoP voters that will vote for removal to make the process seem more "even" Collins already retreated to the safety of "HE DEFINITELY LEARNED FROM THIS!" so Romney is likely the only one. He's straight up the only person now to vote to convict a president from his own party, it's not the sort of thing you get hall passes for. Unless Collins gets spooked again once more for a third time I guess.
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big trivia FAIL posted:yes the Dems need another (D) that votes along with Republicans 90% of the time I mean gently caress him but we take Manchin's vote for Majority Leader, right? I see no difference with Romney.
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CyberPingu posted:I presume we are going to get a couple of approved GoP voters that will vote for removal to make the process seem more "even" as far as I know, the only people who might've done this (other than Romney) have already said they won't
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i dont think so. like i said. he is doing this because 1. he hates trump for various reasons and probably does believe he is guilty. 2 he believes this will help him rebuild the GOP after trump falls. Best of luck to him then.
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mcmagic posted:Notable. Making sure I am accurate and don't get ahead of myself, 66 senators need to vote YEA to convict trump correct? How many republicans is that?
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big trivia FAIL posted:yes the Dems need another (D) that votes along with Republicans 90% of the time While that's true, aren't the heads/composition of committees as well as who gets to be Majority Leader determined by which group has more people? Or do they vote on those things individually.
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syntaxrigger posted:Making sure I am accurate and don't get ahead of myself, 66 senators need to vote YEA to convict trump correct? How many republicans is that? 1. That was the ceiling. 1. professor_curly posted:While that's true, aren't the heads/composition of committees as well as who gets to be Majority Leader determined by which group has more people? Or do they vote on those things individually. Yes. I would take any vote for a D Majority Leader at this point. Even from an rear end in a top hat like Romney. It stops any Trump judicial appointment.
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CyberPingu posted:I presume we are going to get a couple of approved GoP voters that will vote for removal to make the process seem more "even" Not a chance. Having even one GOP vote for removal is a huge stain on the affair. More than one in this era of partisanship would be mind-blowing, and McConnell would sooner delay the vote until they can "convince" them to see the error of their ways.
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syntaxrigger posted:Making sure I am accurate and don't get ahead of myself, 66 senators need to vote YEA to convict trump correct? How many republicans is that?
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Tayter Swift posted:Best of luck to him then. same. i dislike the man. but i kinda admire the balls/fortitude/courage of this move and the fact that it will probably work down the line because he is the only GOP dude with some loving forsight.
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syntaxrigger posted:Making sure I am accurate and don't get ahead of myself, 66 senators need to vote YEA to convict trump correct? How many republicans is that? 67 yea votes are needed (66 is less than 2/3 of 100) so 19 more.
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I really, really hate Romney and think he's a loving dingus. But my late father was a big fan till the day he died. Romney voting to convict Trump genuinely warms my heart.
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TGLT posted:Collins already retreated to the safety of "HE DEFINITELY LEARNED FROM THIS!" so Romney is likely the only one. He's straight up the only person now to vote to convict a president from his own party, it's not the sort of thing you get hall passes for. Unless Collins gets spooked again once more for a third time I guess. I really hope some reporter asks Collins what she thinks now that Trump went "lol no I didn't"
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Bread Set Jettison posted:I really, really hate Romney and think he's a loving dingus. But my late father was a big fan till the day he died. Romney voting to convict Trump genuinely warms my heart. Same here. I swore he was an actual robot. Nice to see a Senator with a small shred of integrity.
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Tibalt posted:67 senators, and 19 Republicans. Thanks haveblue posted:67 yea votes are needed (66 is less than 2/3 of 100) so 19 more. you can have my rounding error when you pry it from my cold dead hands! We clearly need to cut the shins off of a republican senator.
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let's not make any bones about this. Mitt's wrong. He's dead wrong that there's any future for old style sadistic ghouls like him who are mainly upset that these new ghouls are just so OVERT about the agenda, and Utah still is solidly pro-Trump. He's self-immolating. You can call it brave and principled and all if you believe in that but he'll be alone in this and aside from the typical "SIR WELCOME TO THE RESISTANCE, I AM WIPING TEARS FROM MY EYES SIR" nonsense no one on the democratic side should give a poo poo what he thinks. We're still at risk of losing possibly two votes to completely nullify his move because our two most famous cowards are immune from getting whipped it seems. It will make the cultists angry, though, which does own.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:it also helps that his state doesnt care for trump that much. Yeah I don’t know where you’re getting your info but I live here and it’s definitely Trump country. “According to the poll analysis, “The survey, conducted for UtahPolicy.com and 2 News by Y2 Analytics shows 52% of likely voters approve of President Trump, while 45% disapprove, giving the president a net-positive approval rating of +7.” The same outfit in October found Romney’s job approval underwater, at 46%-51%.” https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trump-more-popular-in-utah-than-romney-as-senator-weighs-impeachment https://www.deseret.com/utah/2020/2...titute-approval https://kutv.com/news/local/for-the-first-time-a-majority-of-utah-voters-approve-of-president-donald-trump
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Bread Set Jettison posted:I really, really hate Romney and think he's a loving dingus. But my late father was a big fan till the day he died. Romney voting to convict Trump genuinely warms my heart. I agree on that.
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mds2 posted:Same here. I swore he was an actual robot. Nice to see a Senator with a small shred of integrity.  but GUILTY
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Good for him, but also: Never forget.
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syntaxrigger posted:Making sure I am accurate and don't get ahead of myself, 66 senators need to vote YEA to convict trump correct? How many republicans is that? He's the only one so it doesn't matter
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