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Trabisnikof posted:Wait so which numbers do you think are correct? I made another error, I should have given Pete 3 more delegates, my bad
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PepsiOverCoke posted:I made another error, I should have given Pete 3 more delegates, my bad gently caress you.
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Good to know that we can't trust any of these numbers at this point. Great showing by the DNC.
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Concerned Citizen posted:so if the sanders campaign doesn't say "hey these final results don't match our own internal results," we should still ignore it? They don't have full internal results on every precinct, do they? i mean I figure with the increasingly hilarious level of outside scrutiny this is demanding the results will eventually be accurate but lol it might literally take until after NH
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He made an actual funny joke Jesus he literally crossed out the values and replaced them
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Good thing they're taking it nice and slow on releasing results now, with the DNC involved to help make sure there are no glaringly embarrassing errors that would cast further doubt on the integrity of this process. I know I'm just echoing the sentiment of others at this point, but for gently caress's sake.
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Office Pig posted:gently caress you. You should log off for a while Kaboobi posted:Good to know that we can't trust any of these numbers at this point. Great showing by the DNC. Not even if the campaign reps corroborate them?
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They've now fixed the delegate numbers. But not the popular vote numbers AHHHHHH
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Solkanar512 posted:Wrong? The only stand I made was that we can't be certain of anything until more evidence comes out and that assuming without evidence that it's just a massive conspiracy is the wrong way to go. There's nothing wrong with saying, "I think there's something hosed up here", but without evidence screaming, "I know it's a conspiracy and gently caress anyone else who disagrees" is the wrong way to go. Now clear evidence has appeared to put more conventional explanations in serous doubt it's more reasonable to make such claims. The funny thing is that when people like you start yelling at people like me about "conspiratorial thinking" it always seems to turn out that I'm absolutely on the money and you're wrong. Solkanar512 posted:Folks presented a ton of evidence that until now could be explained by years of watching elections - rural areas come in first, caucuses are messy as gently caress, and early precinct captains reported that their totals were correct. That ratface had contracts with the app maker is legitimately concerning, I agree. You're absolutely right to point that out, and I hope you don't let anyone forget it. It's a massive conflict of interest. Maybe you should just listen to people who clearly have a better track record when it comes to understanding politics than you do? DreamingofRoses posted:Sure hope I don’t get a stomping. DreamingofRoses posted:Quoted, un commented upon, by cerebralbore Dude, taking things overly literally is literal playground stuff loving lmao. It really shouldn't be this hard to admit that you were wrong.
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Lemming posted:He made an actual funny joke Jesus he literally crossed out the values and replaced them Yeah it's all chuckles right now. Laughter and guffaw all around. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Cerebral Bore posted:And oh yeah, anybody who still is arguing that this is just mere incompetence is an idiot rube of the highest order who also shouldn't be trusted to handle their own finances.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:They don't have full internal results on every precinct, do they? Most, probably not all.
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Lemming posted:He made an actual funny joke Jesus he literally crossed out the values and replaced them Yeah it was a good joke and people are losing their grip on precious irony
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The fact that things are screwed up to the point that no one will take them seriously is fine. It means the first real results of the primary season will be NH - a normal primary where Bernie can post a double digit win.
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Office Pig posted:Yeah it's all chuckles right now. Laughter and guffaw all around. I laughed.
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PepsiOverCoke posted:I made another error, I should have given Pete 3 more delegates, my bad What error and how?
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Pook Good Mook posted:They've now fixed the delegate numbers. lmao I would quit my job out of sheer shame if I was this incompetent
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TyrantWD posted:The fact that things are screwed up to the point that no one will take them seriously is fine.
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Trabisnikof, you asked me during the discussion the other day what my threshold was for where it stopped being a “conspiracy theory” and started being a reasonable conclusion. It's this. Very much this.
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cargo cult posted:yeah im sure all the people who think bernie losing is a death sentence for humanity and that pete is a CIA agent are also people who have their personal finances squared away Given that they're right about the two first ones then I see no reason to doubt the last.
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Cerebral Bore posted:The funny thing is that when people like you start yelling at people like me about "conspiratorial thinking" it always seems to turn out that I'm absolutely on the money and you're wrong. I find it concerning that you’re willing to ignore the idea of stomping people who disagree with you about motive just because the person saying it is on your ‘side’.
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Pook Good Mook posted:They've now fixed the delegate numbers. They will fix it in the next Expansion probably; just wait 3 months  this is pathetic
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DreamingofRoses posted:Sure hope I don’t get a stomping. Lmfao pathetic
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hand off all the hardcopies to an independent accounting firm. the IDP can't be trusted to count votes anymore and should probably be dissolved and refounded.
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DreamingofRoses posted:I find it concerning that you’re willing to ignore the idea of stomping people who disagree with you about motive just because the person saying it is on your ‘side’. Evo Morales will probably never be able to return to Bolivia.
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Solkanar512 posted:Wrong? The only stand I made was that we can't be certain of anything until more evidence comes out and that assuming without evidence that it's just a massive conspiracy is the wrong way to go. There's nothing wrong with saying, "I think there's something hosed up here", but without evidence screaming, "I know it's a conspiracy and gently caress anyone else who disagrees" is the wrong way to go. Now clear evidence has appeared to put more conventional explanations in serous doubt it's more reasonable to make such claims. consider, briefly, the consequences of your empty-headed credulity.
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I feel like this just makes whether it is intentional or not pointless. It really isn't much better if the DNC is this much of a colossal gently caress up compared to intentionally spiking results. Either way this whole rotten org needs to be reshaped. edit: the dnc is running things now right? We can't even just say the poor little Iowa dem party is overwhelmed by unexpectedly being the first stop in the primary
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DreamingofRoses posted:Quoted, un commented upon, by cerebralbore Good point, now ban this filth. Fake edit: To make it clear, I definitely mean DreamingofRoses.
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DreamingofRoses posted:I find it concerning that you’re willing to ignore the idea of stomping people who disagree with you about motive just because the person saying it is on your ‘side’. You do realize that this kinda obvious attempt to dodge the actual discussion isn't going to convince anybody, do you not? It still shouldn't be this hard to admit that you were wrong.
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The only justification you could have for not seeing that this thing is completely loving transparently election fraud is if you're in denial about it and don't want to accept we live in a fake Democracy Which I can empathize with, it's loving scary, but it's also real
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Cup Runneth Over posted:hand off all the hardcopies to an independent accounting firm. the IDP can't be trusted to count votes anymore and should probably be dissolved and refounded. Give them a few days, they need to buy the accounting firm first.
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Trabisnikof posted:What error and how? He's making a joke about the patrick/steyer votes being added by editing the vote totals he posted earlier in the thread. It was an okay joke but for such a serious subject it's to be expected it wouldn't land for a lot of people. Like I got it and it was just okay. On another topic, I like how some people automatically treat anything requiring a nonzero amount of coordination or planning as conspiracies or conspiratorial thinking, and treat it as though it's ridiculous on its face that a group of people with shared goals and interests could ever orchestrate anything or capitalize on chaos to take actions favorable to those goals and interests. Like, conspiracies exist y'all. They happen. If anything, automatically disregarding even the mere possibility of any kind of coordinated action is sheer idiotic lunacy. e: basically this, too Lemming posted:The only justification you could have for not seeing that this thing is completely loving transparently election fraud is if you're in denial about it and don't want to accept we live in a fake Democracy
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Cerebral Bore posted:You do realize that this kinda obvious attempt to dodge the actual discussion isn't going to convince anybody, do you not? It still shouldn't be this hard to admit that you were wrong. There is no actual discussion until the IDP finishes counting, unless you think Bernies campaign is too decorous to call a fink a fink when they compare results.
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feedmyleg posted:Trabisnikof, you asked me during the discussion the other day what my threshold was for where it stopped being a “conspiracy theory” and started being a reasonable conclusion. It's this. Very much this. I appreciate you circling back on this, because to some extent if they don’t actually change the Pledged Delegate counts this will be such an eye awaking moment and re-confirming one. Incompetence or purpose doesn’t matter when the results always benefit the same people. So it’s going to be a fight but people see it and Bernie is still winning. Blatant and incompetent is a powerful combo.
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with this fuckin horse poo poo happening on the same goddamn day as trump getting acquitted there is no loving way this godawful party of imbeciles wins in november. what a total loving joke.
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Motherboard got the app https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/z3b3g9/here-is-a-link-to-the-shadow-inc-app-that-blew-up-the-iowa-caucus
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cargo cult posted:yeah im sure all the people who think bernie losing is a death sentence for humanity and that pete is a CIA agent are also people who have their personal finances squared away Ok fine maybe some feral human tribes might survive in the most hospitable regions left. And Buttigieg totally was a CIA agent (see the Somaliland poo poo), even if he might not be formally employed anymore.
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