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large_gourd posted:i'll do spoilers for below, but are we doing them for episodes that are available? and for how long? quote:
I can kinda understand Rios charging Picard money since we’ve seen that kind of thing before on TNG and DS9 if he’s not a Federation citizen anymore and just freelances for whoever. There’s still places outside the Federation that run on currency. I guess you can apply that to Pill’s comment too if she’s also referring just to the act of hiring a freelancer to take you somewhere clandestine beyond the normal reach of a Fed citizen without the aid of Starfleet. The one that makes no sense to me is Rafi acting like Picard cost her a job and forced her to live in a trailer in the desert. She’s living on earth and a fed citizen, the only way her situation makes sense is if she purposely chose to live that way. And if that’s the case then it’s not entirely Picard’s fault she’s living out there like Randy Quaid. He may have cost her her career but that’s not the kind of thing that should have any bearing on her living situation in the 24th century.
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Yeah but it makes sense if you remember the show is set in 21st century America.
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Feb 6, 2020 12:17
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Uh... Huh... So that was... well, poo poo? I think it was poo poo? I had my complaints about the first two, but I still genuinely enjoyed watching them. Like the cube stuff was alright even if everything was just vague menace and lack of any actual details, it was good to see Hugh, but this episode took a nose dive right off the bat. Tighclops posted:ok I've started laughing at things I don't think they want me laughing at this episode Oh man! Raffi the Vape Lord was hysterically bad. The writing, the performance, the editing! It's been a consistent director for all 3 so I don't know where to place the blame here. Pilot Hard rear end was just about as paint by numbers a character as you can get, right down to the cigar. Arglebargle III posted:Yeah but it makes sense if you remember the show is set in 21st century America. Have they had direction from the network to make it as contemporary as possible or are they just this lazy? If this is the crew we're spending the season with, oh noooooooooooooo. e: I'm still kind of shocked. I don't know folks, I try. I really do try. I'll air concerns and criticisms and I know I'll doggedly argue a point well past anyone else caring, but dammit I try to be fair and I'll defend things I think a show does well just as vigorously. But that loving sucked. I hope next week can course correct it all. Lizard Combatant fucked around with this message at 13:43 on Feb 6, 2020 |
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Feb 6, 2020 12:44
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I loved that.
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Senor Tron posted:I loved that. Really? Which bits? Cause I generally liked 1 & 2 and I was cringing non stop.
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Feb 6, 2020 12:57
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What Lizard Combatant said, but also that Irish accent was some Up the Long Ladder levels of cringe.
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BlockChainNetflix posted:What Lizard Combatant said, but also that Irish accent was some Up the Long Ladder levels of cringe. I mean nothing is going to top Up the Long Ladder for "Irish" cringe, but that was some "Ter ter ter tee ter. Yer on teh soide of teh angels" bull-poo poo. Lizard Combatant fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Feb 6, 2020 |
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Feb 6, 2020 12:58
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Guys, they referenced Spock. I've been waiting for them to reference SPOCK. They finally did it!!
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Feb 6, 2020 13:17
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(Raffi) I don't get the impression she's "poor." She just chose a hermit life after she lost the job she really cared for (Pilot) His intro was very cliche but I like the actor enough that he will probably grow on me. The cube stuff still remains the most interesting part of it. I'm curious how much they'll tease it out. Edit: \/ yeah I'm almost certain the accent is supposed to be a joke. Mokinokaro fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Feb 6, 2020 |
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Feb 6, 2020 13:55
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The idea of having an EMH that looks exactly like you except with a dumb accent is hilarious.
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Feb 6, 2020 13:58
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Mokinokaro posted:Edit: \/ yeah I'm almost certain the accent is supposed to be a joke. I might be more likely to believe that if it wasn't in the same scene as "I don't need another captain, not after I held the last one in my arms as he died. Had to clean his blood out of my hair, man. I tell you, I'm done with captains. Guess I'll just die captain-less, probably for the best" *swigs from bottle of Jack Daniels*
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Feb 6, 2020 14:09
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The mom is totally Maddox through some kind of holo filter or something, isn't it
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Feb 6, 2020 14:27
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The biggest question this episode raises is if vape pens are still a thing in the future, why didn't Jake Sisko have one?
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Feb 6, 2020 15:10
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I thought the episode was fine, I think the next 2 are really going to be the make or break for the show in terms of my confidence in its direction.
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Feb 6, 2020 15:46
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I'm fine with a slow pace, but they are really starting to push it with me. They need to get to a point soon. I feel like most of the show has been Picard just standing still waiting to get going (both the character and the show). I agree the "mom" is probably Maddox, and triggered some "go to sleep" protocol. What I don't get is why they were created in pairs, why she's stashed on the cube, why that one Romulan ex-Borg thinks she's the destroyer...alright, I guess there's a lot I don't get. Romulans hate synthetic life forms, I guess? Has that ever come up before? Has a Romulan ever given Data the stink eye? Or is that new for the show? New pilot could grow on me, but yeah, so far he's definitely a by-the-numbers character, as someone else put it. I really hate how they have built in commercial breaks. I mean, you're clearly going to put this on broadcast TV at some point. But do you have to make it so obvious? I did like name dropping the Q Continuum.
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Feb 6, 2020 16:06
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So these are the ONLY Romulans ever assimilated? And when it happened the Cube broke down? I'm pretty sure that's what Hugh said and if Romulans actually can break the collective by just being assimilated, that's another retcon from Voyager showing ex-Romulan borg - https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Orum I do like the Rios pilot guy though and his EMH - I guess that clears up that those kind of hologram programs aren't banned.
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Feb 6, 2020 16:11
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Thom12255 posted:I do like the Rios pilot guy though and his EMH - I guess that clears up that those kind of hologram programs aren't banned. That's a fair point. How is that not also considered synthetic life?
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Feb 6, 2020 16:15
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Thom12255 posted:So these are the ONLY Romulans ever assimilated? And when it happened the Cube broke down? Might be the only ones on this particular cube.
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Feb 6, 2020 16:26
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Yea they said those were the last ones assimilated by this cube before the submatrix collapse or whatever.
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Feb 6, 2020 16:34
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Oh nooooooooooo I just had a horrible thought...  Dumbo here is gonna be from the pissing mirror universe, isn't she?
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Feb 6, 2020 16:40
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I doubt it considering how well lit her office was in episode 2.
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Feb 6, 2020 16:45
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Yeah, I really enjoyed the first two episodes, but I'm losing my patience at this point. The pacing is really strange; new mysteries are introduced every two minutes, but the actual plot where characters take action is glacial. And I'm not really feeling Raffi, but I can't tell if that's the character or the actor's fault.
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Feb 6, 2020 16:49
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I definitely felt like the actress was distractingly bad.
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Feb 6, 2020 16:50
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Lester Shy posted:Yeah, I really enjoyed the first two episodes, but I'm losing my patience at this point. The pacing is really strange; new mysteries are introduced every two minutes, but the actual plot where characters take action is glacial. And I'm not really feeling Raffi, but I can't tell if that's the character or the actor's fault. The character is an incredibly tired cliche, but the performance was awful. But hey, so was Stewart's in all his scenes. So it's probably writing/direction. Editing too, ep has some clunky bad editing. Lizard Combatant fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Feb 6, 2020 |
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Feb 6, 2020 16:51
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Thom12255 posted:So these are the ONLY Romulans ever assimilated? And when it happened the Cube broke down? You mean, the guy from the other cube that mysteriously shut down, disconnected from the Collective, and was never salvaged by the Borg?
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Feb 6, 2020 16:52
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Pinterest Mom posted:I definitely felt like the actress was distractingly bad. The first scene at the trailer was bad, the last scene was fine. Also feels wrong to call Picard JL.
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Feb 6, 2020 17:04
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I'm willing to forgive Raffi's acting on a second watch because it's obvious she's supposed to be high and drunk as balls and spiraled into addiction as a result of what happened with Picard and he just shows up on her doorstep. That's a tough ask for an actor.
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Feb 6, 2020 17:07
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This release schedule is infuriating. They're doing the "one long bingeable movie broken up into a season of television" style netflix thing, but they're still dragging it out over weekly airings. IT'S NOT A TV SHOW. IT'S NOT ON TV. NOBODY WATCHES TV. STOP IT. I heard someone describe Picard as "The Expanse porn parody without the porn" and I really can't disagree so far.
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Feb 6, 2020 17:42
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Among other things, this episode felt like a casualty of the extended episode order.Big Mean Jerk posted:The most interesting stuff in this episode was on the cube, but even that was largely limited to one short scene inexplicably cut down to half a dozen 15-30 second bits spread across the whole episode. That said, they got me when the TMP/TNG theme kicked into gear as the ship warped away.
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Cross-Section posted:That said, they got me when the TMP/TNG theme kicked into gear as the ship warped away. Probably because you're primed to associate it with a story about to start. We've just watched the longest loving cold open ever.
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Lizard Combatant posted:Oh nooooooooooo Or section 31
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pyrotek posted:Or section 31 Even worse! 
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Lizard Combatant posted:Probably because you're primed to associate it with a story about to start. We've just watched the longest loving cold open ever. they did the exact same thing with Discovery, which managed to get much worse once they got into the season. Here's hoping they learn from their mistakesahahhahaha bwaaaaahhahah. e: vvv yep, I'm bailing on this until it's done Dr. Fishopolis fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Feb 6, 2020 |
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Most every weekly release streaming show, except for a handful I'm really excited about, I wait until the season is over and watch it all at once. Since you guys seem to hate the show and it seems to be due to pacing issues, have you considered doing that? E: also saves you money since you just have to sign up for one month zoux fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Feb 6, 2020 |
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Feb 6, 2020 18:05
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zoux posted:Most every weekly release streaming show, except for a handful I'm really excited about, I wait until the season is over and watch it all at once. Since you guys seem to hate the show and it seems to be due to pacing issues, have you considered doing that? You'd really have ignore a lot of what's being said to come to that conclusion, pacing is bad but it really only became objectionable this episode. I still think this was an overlong pilot episode they padded to 3, the repetition and meaningless filler scenes seem to evidence that.
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Feb 6, 2020 18:12
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I think I pulled something from laughing at commodore blue brothers sunglasses last night loving aaaaaaaa
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Feb 6, 2020 18:30
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Big Mean Jerk posted:48 hours to allow international folks to catch up since the episode drops at different times. oh yeah! absolutely - that's actually the part that made me go 'huh?' the most. that comment rafi made about picard living the good life in his big country house, as if there was still some gulf between the rich and the poor. i forgot to mention it but it really stuck out. as for rios, yeah if he's not a federation citizen then it would make more sense if he runs based on currency, since we've seen that other cultures than the federation still do. it just all seemed very casual, again like the writers either didn't really think about it or are choosing to ignore the established rules of the world.
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Feb 6, 2020 18:40
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Those flashback uniforms were baller as gently caress.
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Feb 6, 2020 18:53
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The spy glasses were dumb but her rank pip was also completely skewed, I'm surprised none of the crew noticed that and fixed it.
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I actually liked this episode quite a bit more than the last one if only because it had less scheming admirals, silly technobabble, and super-super-secret Romulan societies and more character moments with the main characters in the show.
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