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Nessus posted:There was kind of a boomlet in Irish culture, looking back on it, and of course, people were very ignorant. I am sure Colm Meaney had to kick a few asses. In the DS9 episode where everyone's fantasies come to life, Colm Meaney insisted they rewrite it to remove a magical leprechaun. I'm sure he's the main reason DS9 didn't have as much random vaguely racist Irish bullshit as the other series.
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Angry Salami posted:In the DS9 episode where everyone's fantasies come to life, Colm Meaney insisted they rewrite it to remove a magical leprechaun. I'm sure he's the main reason DS9 didn't have as much random vaguely racist Irish bullshit as the other series. I vaguely remember hearing Meaney speaking about Irish fans coming up to him and saying "thanks for not being a lovely stereotype" or something like that. They're just the goto for bucolic simpletons it seems. Lizard Combatant fucked around with this message at 08:45 on Feb 7, 2020 |
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Lizard Combatant posted:Why is it always the loving Irish on this show? Was there some 90s obsession in America with the Irish that I'm not aware of? To be care Robin was posing as a Scot
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Feb 7, 2020 10:53
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I'm not too fond of the brother-sister Romulans who act evil by almost loving each other. It's a bit over the top. They definitely failed to justify why Raffi was mad at Picard enough to threaten his life, but I do like how the flashback implied Picard was so shocked and perhaps even offended at Starfleet for calling his bluff, that he gave up on the rescue? It's an interesting way to make him flawed, as an old man who overestimated his own importance in the world/universe. I can see people not liking that, but I feel it's a fair bit of storytelling. Not yet a fan of the captain though, Jesus, what a hamhanded bit of exposition packed within minutes. He smokes, drinks, is rude and doesn't care about pain! But he has the soul of a poet~ And we know he's haunted by the death of his commander, because... he... told us. Blech.
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Feb 7, 2020 11:22
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On the positive side, we're getting a few more interesting shots. Proto-Disco corkscrew rotation with a dive into borg cube.  Not bad for the early season.
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Feb 7, 2020 11:44
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see it's weird because for the first two episodes my feelings were kind of neutral with a few negative exceptions mostly because it's so sparse and disjointed as a narrative so far i couldn't really tell what the show was actually trying to do, but now that the shape is starting to take form - a little! still very sparse and disjointed - the weakness of individual components of the show is beginning to distinguish itself. i hate being like this with all the negative opinions, and with anything else i just drop things as soon as i find myself doing that, or at least pay far less attention. i didn't watch discovery s2 because s1 was so bad and i could tell it would never improve to a level i'd find entertaining. i might just drop this even quicker, since a lot of the stuff i'm not liking is the same poo poo as in Discovery, even though the show as a whole is a lot less thump bang action (so far). i mean - rafi sucks, commodore sucks, the evil romulan sex siblings suck, soji is boring, the worldbuilding of star trek is just being treated like poo poo, destroying things which have been long established and only replacing them with lazy modern day analogues. on the other hand, laris is great, agnes is cool and likeable, and it (kind of) has picard in it. i also like the opening theme song and most of the music so far, it's fittingly elegant. i just want star trek to be good. large_gourd fucked around with this message at 11:48 on Feb 7, 2020 |
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davidspackage posted:I'm not too fond of the brother-sister Romulans who act evil by almost loving each other. It's a bit over the top. Though they twist the captain thing by having Picard point out that his ship is spotless and perfectly organised, and it certainly looks the part. Quite a contrast if you look at the original Millennium Falcon's exterior and interior. His EMH being a copy of himself might be a deliberate contrast. (Also, makes me predict that he might get killed off and they keep the EMH with them)
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Feb 7, 2020 11:49
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large_gourd posted:see it's weird because for the first two episodes my feelings were kind of neutral with a few negative exceptions mostly because it's so sparse and disjointed as a narrative so far i couldn't really tell what the show was actually trying to do, but now that the shape is starting to take form - a little! still very sparse and disjointed - the weakness of individual components of the show is beginning to distinguish itself. Yeah so far I really like Agnes as the soccer mom audience surrogate (who also happens to be Earth's greatest authority on synths). This series structure is kind of like True Detective, as we get a few more breadcrumbs, a few new characters and plot lines and locations each episode while the story moves along.
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Feb 7, 2020 11:57
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Am I bad for not knowing if the commodore above is actually a Vulcan or a Romulan? I never do believe post-scarcity syfy can be a thing, i will never believe a post-money civilization. It just wouldn't work. And starfleet calling Picard's bluff was the best thing of the episode. I've seen it happen so often in real life. It doesn't matter how important people think they are, everyone is replaceable. Even if maybe not 100% replaceable, they'll find a way to go on without you (and might even be relieved you're gone)
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Feb 7, 2020 13:11
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The way I've seen is that post-scarcity isn't so much as thing as the specifics and priorities what IS scarce. Not using money per se isn't the same as everything being free.
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Feb 7, 2020 13:13
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I liked how they continued the tradition of Starfleet continually changing their uniforms and logos every five years.
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Feb 7, 2020 13:47
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Personally, I think a post-horse civilization is impossible. We'll never be able to replace the flexibility, utility and manure-generating power of the horse. Ghost Leviathan posted:The way I've seen is that post-scarcity isn't so much as thing as the specifics and priorities what IS scarce. Not using money per se isn't the same as everything being free. Isometric Bacon posted:I liked how they continued the tradition of Starfleet continually changing their uniforms and logos every five years.
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Feb 7, 2020 13:53
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davidspackage posted:I'm not too fond of the brother-sister Romulans who act evil by almost loving each other. It's a bit over the top. Shocked to find out they're brother and sister this episode. Binary Logic posted:On the positive side, we're getting a few more interesting shots. It was OK the first time they did it in Episode 2. Establishing shots in nuTrek are all 360 rotation crane shots pushing in for kilometers apparently.
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davidspackage posted:I'm not too fond of the brother-sister Romulans who act evil by almost loving each other. It's a bit over the top. How else are we supposed to know they're evil? It's not like we'd give them comically out of place sunglasses to we-- Oh. Well then how about a twirly moustache?
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Feb 7, 2020 14:02
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GoutPatrol posted:Also feels wrong to call Picard JL. ashpanash posted:Any argument brought up against this show can be shown aside episodes from every one of the TV shows. Most of them, in fact, are about as good or worse television than what we've gotten from Picard. I agree, a couple dozen of them are excellent, and we have yet to see something on that level from New Trek. So I'm waiting for that, sure. But to be disappointed in every episode because it's not loving genius? It rubs against the minutea of the lore? Maybe I'm just not enough of a "Star Trek fan" to care.
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Feb 7, 2020 14:47
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Tiggum posted:If you watched a bad episode of TNG, you knew there'd be something completely different next week. If they're going to make a single season-long story instead of individual stories for each episode, it had better be a loving good story. Because it's the only one they've got. I've got a little glimmer of hope for Picard because they're finally in loving space so maybe they'll get closer to the good episodes of Disco where it's space anomalies and time shifts and weird energy readings they have to check out. Hey, we're going to see Bruce Maddox he's a crazy robot building guy maybe something will happen on Free Cloud.
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Feb 7, 2020 14:57
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Lizard Combatant posted:Why is it always the loving Irish on this show? Was there some 90s obsession in America with the Irish that I'm not aware of? I recall a general interest in Scottish and Irish culture kicking up after Braveheart came out. Rob Roy came out before that too. A buncha girls in college had Celtic-style tapestries and knick knacks.
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Everything with Raffi was extremely frustrating. They do the flashback to when Picard’s request to continue the Romulan rescue mission is denied, but how were we supposed to know that she was a former addict that Picard helped? Literally all we know is that she was (I assume) Picard’s assistant, who gets fired when Picard resigns. Then during the next 14 years she just drinks and smokes space weed. That scene where she is just sitting on the ground drinking in the desert while Picard is standing there awkwardly just came off really weird. We just don’t have enough backstory of her character yet. I feel like this stuff got shoved into the Countdown comic that came out and explained how the two Tal Shiar agents ended up working for Picard. I was also thinking that we have somehow had zero mention of Picard’s sister in law who survived the fire at Chateau Picard around Generations. I thought that either she or his dead brother/nephew would be mentioned by now. The episode to me was extremely frustrating. A lot of stuff seems to happen but in the end it’s still mostly setup. Nothing really moves forward with the Borg Cube subplot. Hugh is there and I guess can’t leave? I’m not clear on that. The attack on Picard happens and that was cool but it doesn’t further anything since he was about to leave Earth anyway. I hope this picks up soon because we are 3 episodes in and it feels like the plot hasn’t started moving since Ep 1.
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I think one of the most explicit discussions, albeit a short one, of Star Trek economics comes up during the DS9 episode where Rom forms a union. Sisko is telling Quark to settle the labor dispute, or else:quote:"Maybe I don't know much about Ferengi culture, but I do know who holds the lease on your bar." Even in the far flung border worlds of Federation influence, there is no currency based transaction when it comes to property.
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Martytoof posted:How else are we supposed to know they're evil? It's not like we'd give them comically out of place sunglasses to we-- I unironically love the sunglasses but not as much as I love how horribly crooked they were. It's as if Tamlyn Tomita was like "gently caress you, I ain't taking off my shades"
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PostNouveau posted:I've got a little glimmer of hope for Picard because they're finally in loving space so maybe they'll get closer to the good episodes of Disco where it's space anomalies and time shifts and weird energy readings they have to check out. It's all very directionless so far, and my fear is that they're saving all the important information for a last-minute "twist" that's supposed to make everything that's happened up to that point suddenly meaningful. But you can't retroactively make boring episodes good by telling us later that actually there were important things happening that we just didn't know about.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:I heard someone describe Picard as "The Expanse porn parody without the porn" and I really can't disagree so far. youre not wrong, they are even using the transparent communication devices from The Expanse
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Those three episodes should have been edited down to and presented as a single, feature-length premiere.
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CPColin posted:Those three episodes should have been edited down to and presented as a single, feature-length premiere.
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CPColin posted:Those three episodes should have been edited down to and presented as a single, feature-length premiere.
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Tiggum posted:I don't think anyone could reasonably disagree with this. I do. I like the pacing as it is, and I'm not sure how cutting this down to 90 minutes would help anything. It's appropriate that this show isn't as fast paced as Discovery.
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CPColin posted:Those three episodes should have been edited down to and presented as a single, feature-length premiere. And, like, what's the legal minimum for a feature film? A brisk 68 minutes? Edit them down to that. Also shoot some more scenes that explain what the gently caress the bad Romulans want because this mystery is already boring in its opacity.
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Still think Raffi should be Ensign Ro. The show is much better whenever Romulans are on screen, but I can do without them making the two sibling spies creepy evil flirty bad. They can just be ambiguously bad without that. I really like the world building with Romulans too, like the thing about false doors and the sitting behind someone and asking to join the conversation, and the Northern/Southern thing is an elegant way to deal with differing makeup. They're making a mistake leaving Picard's Romulan friends back on France. They're awesome. I hope the programming falters on the EMH/ENHs and we see their "theme" change to default at some point and it's Robert Picardo(s). Space captain seems okay so far. Hugh is great, and I want to see a lot more with him. His whole deal about bringing back and rehabilitating the former Borg is a great story and we should stick with that for more. The whole "these are the only Romulans assimilated" thing is really weird, and has to mean the only ones on this particular cube. What happened to all those Romulan colonies? I know we never definitively found out it was the Borg, but it was heavily, heavily implied. Soji is whatever, don't really care too much, but I hope she does end up being a threat of some type. I really hate Raffi and everything about her. We don't need a "Feds did Mars" character. I don't know how Sunglasses Vulcan made it through editing. I don't understand where this whole "Romulans are the mortal enemies of the Federation, let them die!" thing is coming from. They've been antagonistic, but if these conversations happened 14 years ago, that means we're less than ten years removed from the Dominion War, where we and the Romulans fought alongside each other for at least a couple years. I get the whole "we have to protect ourselves" aspect because of the Mars Attack, but then talk about that, and less about the Romulans being enemies. MichiganCubbie fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Feb 7, 2020 |
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FlamingLiberal posted:Normally i would agree, but I get so much whiplash from scenes already not giving us any time to breathe before moving on that it would just make it worse I mean, you'd have to lose some scenes and lengthen others, sure. Maybe I should've said edit the story down to two episodes, then adjust the pacing accordingly. They should've focused on Picard's journey away from Earth and gotten him on a ship at the end of the first episode. Then the camera can warp over to the cube and reveal Soji.
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MichiganCubbie posted:They're making a mistake leaving Picard's Romulan friends back on France. They're awesome. Agreed, I hope they do more with them in future episodes. Maybe if they were doing Earth-based stuff while Picard and crew were in space
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This was such a bizarre choice that it came off as Star Trek finally shitposting on itself.
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Anyone watch Luke Cage? It's exactly the same shades worn by Shades, the cool bad guy who wears shades.
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She's on a mission from Surak.
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I'm reaching but maybe it's just Starfleet that has lost its way while the Federation/society as a whole still looks like a peaceful utopian future?? Picard's conflict is portrayed as being specifically with Starfleet. I guess the Synth ban and Romulan crisis affect regular civilian life though...
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Angry Salami posted:Hey, maybe she is! Picard had some wacky Star Trek IV style adventure where he ended up befriending this vaper from our present and brought her back, and helped her adapt to the 24th century, but then he resigned from Starfleet and she ended up completely lost and living in a trailer in the desert because nobody told her "Hey, it's a money-less future, you can have your own vineyard if you want..." That was pretty clumsily handled I feel...especially with all that other background info specifically not in the show. Like if they maybe played up the whole Starfleet was her life and without it she's just adrift, the whole living by herself in the desert smoking space pot would work better. Or she could have been living at the Chateau with the whole gang. Play up the dichotomy of former Tal Shiar and Starfleet Intelligence living together, making wine. Id watch that show Back to money-chat. Foremost scientist on Earth didn't have any money...thats why she specifically said I'll earn my keep.
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CPColin posted:I mean, you'd have to lose some scenes and lengthen others, sure. Maybe I should've said edit the story down to two episodes, then adjust the pacing accordingly. They should've focused on Picard's journey away from Earth and gotten him on a ship at the end of the first episode. Then the camera can warp over to the cube and reveal Soji. Yeah, so far I think it'd work well to have a separate Soji episode and cut out every scene with the spy. They spent so much time setting up "they're in a relationship" that could have been satisfactorily implied with a throwaway line, like how the opening scene with Dahj and her boyfriend conveyed it very quickly
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Evernoob posted:Am I bad for not knowing if the commodore above is actually a Vulcan or a Romulan? Picard literally said she was a Vulcan in this episode.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Picard literally said she was a Vulcan in this episode. I could be wrong, but I think the confusion is about whether or not she's secretly a Romulan pretending to be a Vulcan?
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Tiggum posted:I could be wrong, but I think the confusion is about whether or not she's secretly a Romulan pretending to be a Vulcan? The thing that I don't get is that Vulcans and Romulans split in 370 AD. That's basically 2000 years before the TNG era. How did they diverge so much in look, as to have the heavy brows? They should still basically look identical, but for stuff like beign taller or shorter because of different gravity. Eh, I suppose if Klingons can get rid of their ridges because of a virus, Romulans can have something happen to them too.
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