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A Bad Poster
Sep 25, 2006
Seriously, shut the fuck up.

:dukedog:
I got to watch a libertarian's brain fry when I pointed out that what he was advocating for was anarchy after he said that he just "doesn't want anyone, man or government, to tell me what I can and cannot do."

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hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Ancaps are very common in the US. Also in dystopian fiction.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


A Bad Poster posted:

I got to watch a libertarian's brain fry when I pointed out that what he was advocating for was anarchy after he said that he just "doesn't want anyone, man or government, to tell me what I can and cannot do."
Ok pedo.

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

Freedom and high inequality are in contradiction, so over time I find libertarians considering things either break in favor of Pinochet style authoritarianism (or since they're goofballs, weird monarchist stuff), or drop being a libertarian. Relatedly I dropped my hardcore libertarian former USMC mentor like a bad habit after Charlottesville when he decided the Nazis were the real victims of it.

If money should let you do anything, then a lot of violence is necessary to sustain that inequality, because other people are going to want that money too. That's the core contradiction and it's why libertarianism is so often the gateway to the far right. You can't sustain mass inequality without eventually throwing people out of helicopters.

Radical 90s Wizard
Aug 5, 2008

~SS-18 burning bright,
Bathe me in your cleansing light~

bird food bathtub posted:

All of this is a good thing in the GOP's world view. The more hosed up and dysfunctional the government, the more the monied interests behind them can burn the country down to loot the ashes and the more the political office seekers can campaign on GUBMINT BAD (and, lately, transition to "everything is bad and it's [insert minority]'s fault, let me punish them for you")

They WANT to break everything this way.

Bit late but its totally this. The poo poo theyre constantly getting away with already is loving mindboggling. They don' t even hide it, theres just no repercussions for anything.

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus
In local news...

You know that $500 in medical grade masks my family sent out over a week ago to China? Ya well they have been sitting in San Fran for over a week and the US government (usps) is refusing to send it. Along with a butt ton of other packages. Nothing is going to China right now.

We are trying to get them to give us the packages back but I have a feeling it will not happen for months.


edit : they are also holding things marked as donations for the outbreak. we only know this because of internal messages in the usps

ded fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Feb 7, 2020

BurningChrome
Jan 18, 2020

They said she cooked her own cancers for people who crossed her, rococo custom variations that took years to kill you. They said a lot of things about Chrome, none of them at all reassuring.

Lmfao.

ded posted:

In local news...

You know that $500 in medical grade masks my family sent out over a week ago to China? Ya well they have been sitting in San Fran for over a week and the US government (usps) is refusing to send it. Along with a butt ton of other packages. Nothing is going to China right now.

We are trying to get them to give us the packages back but I have a feeling it will not happen for months.


edit : they are also holding things marked as donations for the outbreak. we only know this because of internal messages in the usps

That's insane.

BurningChrome fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Feb 7, 2020

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

hobbesmaster posted:

Ancaps are very common in the US. Also in dystopian fiction.

Never not reposting this


some idiot on r/AnCap posted:

I was beat up by left anarchists in Greece. (self.Anarcho_Capitalism)
submitted 3 years ago by AnCapNAPs

I don’t usually use forums or Reddit, I usually just post comments on Ancap blogs like Molyneux or Cantwell’s blog, but they didn’t seem appropriate places to post my story. So here goes, I just wanted to share this with all of you.

Nov 3 I flew to Europe for a Eurotrip type tour. Not a guide or packaged deal, just going around by myself. I paid for half of the trip with the wages I earned over the last two years, my dad paid for the other half. I am 19, I guess that is normal starting college and all. (Before that I worked for my dad’s company part time, so I guess you could say he paid for all of it, lol).

I did France and then Italy and then Greece next. I am an Ancap so I wanted to see anarchists in these places. Yes, I know they are different kinds of “anarchists” and not really full anarchists like us. I went to an anarchist book store in Italy and it had a lot of English books, but no Rothbard or Ancap. Like I said, I expected that, not a surprise.

I went to Greece, which everyone knows is famous for its revolutionary anarchism, its economic crisis and everything going on right now. Here I found directions for a local anarchist center. I went and didn’t see anybody, but it was covered in graffiti, mostly in Greek so I couldn’t read it. Whatever, I started taking pictures. Then some people came out and confronted me.

This should have been my first warning sign something was not right, because photography is not a crime. They were not violent, but they were not friendly, like asking who I was, what I wanted. They all spoke good English actually. Not uncommon in Greece. I said I was a tourist and an anarchist and I just wanted to take pictures. Then they got friendly and told me I should have asked first (but pictures are no NAP violation so I don’t know why, but I didn’t say anything) and they invited me inside.

We hung out for a while and smoked hash (there is no good dank in Europe as you might find out like in Cali, everyone smokes hash with tobacco which isn’t as cool as it sounds). We started talking about politics and anarchism. I was trying to talk about the state, they were like yeah no doubt the state was bad. But they wanted to talk about capitalism, capitalism this and that. This is when we started to get into a debate.

I told them that what they called capitalism is different from the free market. They said capitalism is free markets. And I said I agreed. That is what I am saying. Real capitalism is free markets. And they said yes, that is what we are trying to get rid of. And I said no, but we don’t even have that right now. We need more free markets. And everyone at the same time was like “nooo” we are anarchists, we are against capitalism. Anarchists oppose capitalism.

And I said but not anarcho-capitalists. Anarcho-capitalists are the anarchists who support capitalism. I had a fanny pack (yeah, lame I know) for my camera and in that I had this yellow and black bowtie (also super lame, it was a joke but I wasnt wearing it). And I said look, these are the Ancap colors, yellow and black, like versus the communist red and black. Well, these guys had a lot of red and black in the building already so I thought they would get it.

I think that is when it started to get a really bad vibe, really tense in the air. The free market thing was funny, we disagreed but I think they thought I was just confused. Everyone was uncomfortable now. Then someone said markets wont work with democracy. And I said exactly, that’s it, democracy is against anarchism. And they kind of agreed, and said yes, we don’t have real democracy, just governments, and we needed more democracy. I said no, we need less democracy, democracy is the enemy. And we need to end democracy to have anarchy. Then they were all like “noooo” again. You know that thing people do in groups when everyone all says “nooo” or expresses some disapproval at the same time.

And one of them said “but we do want to stop democracy” and then they kind of spoke back and forth in Greek. I didn’t really understand it. And they asked me what I meant.

So I said okay, I had the floor, I was going to tell them about ancapism. And I tried to explain to them some Rothbard and Hoppe. I said the natural order in anarchy is that the best rise to the top, the market picks who is the best. They compete and are peaceful. They said what do we want instead of anarchy. I said we want private owners to own their own land and businesses, and to employ people. They said that is what we have now. I said no, it would be even better. One of the guys said it was like feudalism. And I said it is not feudalism.

Eventually one of the guys spoke up and I thought he was Greek, but he spoke English perfectly so he may have not been. He said he knew what anarcho-capitalism was and that we were basically fascists. He asked me if I thought everything should be private. And I said yes. And he asked me if I thought people were unequal. And I told him yes. And that not everyone would have equal rights. I said everyone has the right to own property and not be done aggression against. But that not everyone had to be treated equally by the owners. He said what about immigrants and racism. And I said that would not happen in a free market, but yes property owners could be racist if they wanted to. They had to respect property.

Then he called me a fascist again, and someone else said I was a fascist. And then they basically all started shouting fascist at me, and one of them grabbed me by the wrists. They pulled me out the door, it was up three floors, and basically drug me down the stairs on my back. It hurt really bad and I remember yelling “you’re breaking the NAP” and things like that. “Stop initiating force against me.” Then they kicked me around on the ground in the hallway, before they took my camera and threw me outside. I was crying and stuff, I just sat there. I was in shock because it was so sudden. Looking back there were warning signs though.

I think they felt bad for me and gave the camera back, but when I looked later they stole the memory card with all of my Greek photos.

So they initiated force and theft. They broke the NAP. I knew the left anarchists were not real anarchists, but I never knew they would do something that bad.

I wasnt seriously hurt, just kicked around a little, lots of bruises and little cuts. I am fine guys so don’t worry. Just needed to share.


Jaguars!
Jul 31, 2012


Comrade Blyatlov posted:

Current Events:
I have finally seen fit to correct the arms imbalance between NZ and a lot of other first world countries. To that end, I've acquired a surplus Soviet Shtil missile, with Luca for scale.



Tl;dr OUR WORDS ARE BACKED BY NUCLEAR WEAPONS

:nice: I thought you'd lost that auction.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon
I have a feeling the USPS isn’t shipping to China because China is preventing foreign aid, including from family and friends, because it disrespects the states ability to control the outbreak

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


shame on an IGA posted:

Never not reposting this

Oh god drat, do I love that post.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Why is an anarchist whining about getting stomped? What a baby.

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





Jaguars! posted:

:nice: I thought you'd lost that auction.

I did, it relisted and I got it for 36 buck lol

Kawasaki Nun
Jul 16, 2001

by Reene

LingcodKilla posted:

Why is an anarchist whining about getting stomped? What a baby.

They violatied the NAP! It's the only doggone rule!

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon

shame on an IGA posted:

Never not reposting this

Fash meet fist

Sacrist65
Mar 24, 2007
Frunnkiss
I read somewhere that the Nazis post WW2 plan was to reward high ranking officials with feudal like states in Eastern Europe. Anyone have a source for that?

Patware
Jan 3, 2005

shame on an IGA posted:

Never not reposting this

i've never seen this before and now i feel like i glimpsed the face of a smiling god

Jaguars!
Jul 31, 2012


Comrade Blyatlov posted:

I did, it relisted and I got it for 36 buck lol

Lol, who the hell buys a nuclear missile and never picks it up?

Internet Wizard
Aug 9, 2009

BANDAIDS DON'T FIX BULLET HOLES

Some little piece of good news https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/3a8awn/the-fbi-just-put-white-nationalists-and-neo-nazis-on-the-same-threat-level-as-isis

quote:

In a hearing before the House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday, FBI Director Christopher Wray outlined several concrete steps the agency had taken to combat violent far-right extremists, explaining that the national threat priority designation puts those groups or individuals on the same footing as ISIS in terms of the resources the FBI will devote to it.

Were particularly focused on domestic terrorism, especially racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists, said Wray. Not only is the terror threat diverse, its unrelenting.

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





Jaguars! posted:

Lol, who the hell buys a nuclear missile and never picks it up?

Not me!

As a matter of interest, a Ford Mondeo makes an excellent delivery system

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012




Domestic terrorism is still not a federally punishable or prosecutable offense in the US, they cannot actually charge someone with it. There are multiple bills in Congress right now that aim to turn it into a federal offense, so that the FBI can directly round up persons who are planning domestic terror attacks before they happen, instead of having to find federally prosecutable evidence of planned crimes other than domestic terror, (illegal modification of weapons, assassination plotting, etc.) , but Congress is totally loving broken and those bills are functionally dead in committees because of partisan bullshit.

Example of the above, when the FBI arrested the members of The Base, they were arrested on firearms charges (and later conspiracy charges) and only because an FBI agent happened to be at the range and overheard one of the persons that were later arrested firing their rifle, and determined that they had modified it to fire on either burst fire or fully automatic.

Currently charging persons with domestic terror attacks is up to the individual states, and there is no overlying legal framework at the federal level to base it off of, so something that is clearly a domestic terror attack may be labelled as workplace violence, or something else entirely.

orange juche fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Feb 7, 2020

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned
but what if they persecute the wrong kind of domestic terrorist

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



maffew buildings posted:

but what if they persecute the wrong kind of domestic terrorist

That kinda problem is usually more of an issue at the state and local level than the federal one. FBI agents arent the folks stopping and frisking a dude for walking while black.

Internet Wizard
Aug 9, 2009

BANDAIDS DON'T FIX BULLET HOLES

orange juche posted:

That kinda problem is usually more of an issue at the state and local level than the federal one. FBI agents arent the folks stopping and frisking a dude for walking while black.

No they just arrest mentally disabled persons https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a47390/alabama-isis-peyton-pruitt/

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012




I wouldn't want to be the FBI guy bound by the rules there. I'm pretty sure the FBI agent realized that Peyton was mentally disabled, but regardless of bad look or no, they had to arrest him, due to the stuff that he had been allowed to do. We also have the gift while reading the article of "hindsight is 2020".

What would have happened if the agent had just let him go? What reasoning would he have been able to state that would satisfy the investigation that was fairly far along by that point? Noone can say because that's not what happened. There were a lot of gently caress ups along the chain before it came to the point where there were FBI interrogations, and no-one raised any concerns to his dad before involving the FBI, which makes it doubly terrible because he got blindsided by the whole thing.

How do you craft allowances for mentally disabled individuals who sympathize with international terrorist organizations? That's a thorny patch of legal scholarship that I don't have any expertise in.


There's a huge difference between the above, and stopping someone on the street corner because they "look shifty" and you're a bored beat cop looking for some fun.

orange juche fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Feb 8, 2020

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur

orange juche posted:


How do you craft allowances for mentally disabled individuals who sympathize with international terrorist organizations? That's a thorny patch of legal scholarship that I don't have any expertise in.

Give him VA disability

:downsrim:

Oxygenpoisoning
Feb 21, 2006
LTC Vindman and his brother reassigned/fired and escorted out of the White House. I’m assuming this is only the start of Trumps retribution campaign for the impeachment.

Viva Miriya
Jan 9, 2007

PAGING LT COL J. KRUSINSKI, USAF

Radical 90s Wizard
Aug 5, 2008

~SS-18 burning bright,
Bathe me in your cleansing light~

Ancap posted:

"you’re breaking the NAP” and things like that. “Stop initiating force against me.” Then they kicked me around on the ground

This bit gets me every time lmao

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe

Oxygenpoisoning posted:

LTC Vindman and his brother reassigned/fired and escorted out of the White House. I’m assuming this is only the start of Trumps retribution campaign for the impeachment.

How DARE you suggest that Trump might seek retaliation!

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

Not me!

As a matter of interest, a Ford Mondeo makes an excellent delivery system



I agree, Settlers of Catan is more fun with the 5-6 player expansion. Little longer, but more fun.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

Radical 90s Wizard posted:

This bit gets me every time lmao

I always lose it at "and then they were all like, 'noooo' "

Oxygenpoisoning
Feb 21, 2006

fknlo posted:

How DARE you suggest that Trump might seek retaliation!

Gordon Sondland is out too. Nothing to see here.

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS
The Ancap thing is the perfect shitpost because it has just enough elements of truth that you don't care anymore if it's real or not because it might as well be

UP THE BUM NO BABY
Sep 1, 2011

by Hand Knit
https://twitter.com/NASAWatch/status/1225867891242885120

Bored As Fuck
Jan 1, 2006
Fun Shoe

Cool lets waste more time and money on signs.

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



Bored As gently caress posted:

Cool lets waste more time and money on signs.

Never forget MANCOC school at Benning.

US Berder Patrol
Jul 11, 2006

oorah
https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1225886958888423424

...probably, yeah?

if that ied he ate didn't gently caress his wheels up too bad to run two nine minute miles anyway

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


Ken Bone Comeback posted:

https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1225886958888423424

...probably, yeah?

if that ied he ate didn't gently caress his wheels up too bad to run two nine minute miles anyway

lol that is the dumbest loving thing.

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mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
On top of how dumb it is, last I checked guidance this FY is take one APFT for record (tons of people knocked that out early), then switch to diagnostic ACFTs, which are hard as unobtanium to max, but easy as hell for men to pass and don’t count for record til next FY.

E: also the ACFT is not age gated, no sir. But they conveninetly lowered standards for higher ranks, which happen to be older people.

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