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Like, wouldn't that be the best way to determine who is actually most delectable and who is most likely to fit the party's goals moving forward?
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Au Revoir Shosanna posted:i love this poll, if it holds any where near true for the final result bernie will sweep 50 states the only tragedy will be bernie not taking home 100% of nh's delegates, but buttigieg has no viability after nh anyway. biden is the only real threat, but that threat is rapidly shrinking. bernie got this. however keep donating, canvassing, etc. like he's down 15 points in the polls.
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Regarding Yang's support, average federal student loan payments are $393/month. His magic number is $1,000, right? That's a nice big chunk.
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gandlethorpe posted:This is the article that pretty much sealed the deal for me back in April that Pete's a dangerous narcissist. LOL who writes a memoir at the age of 35? What a loving dork
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yronic heroism posted:I agree. But if Pete starts looking like a winner I suspect his numbers will increase across the board. Whether it works out for him or not is an open question but he’ll absolutely pick a running mate to compensate for where he’s looking weakest. picking a running mate before the convention is a sure-fire way to murder your campaign dead, there's no more obvious sign of weakness. this is not going to be a thing buttigieg does, and if he did, it'd be the dumbest thing he could possibly do and end any prospects of him ever competing on the national stage in any capacity ever again.
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Did anyone post this extremely normal news about Warren that definitely does not portend the immediate collapse of her Nevada office? https://twitter.com/TheRoot/status/1225906277064364034
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Pick posted:I understand that these things are much more difficult to institute an actual governmental level, but why do the primaries not use ranked voting? Doesn't that seem like something at the party should actually want to do? And it's not like they need anybody else's permission to do so. Well they kind of used it in Iowa but suddenly it turned out to be less favorable for Bernie so a bunch of people aren’t as fond of it as they used to be. Hence his campaign’s focus the first preference number.
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Pick posted:I understand that these things are much more difficult to institute an actual governmental level, but why do the primaries not use ranked voting? Doesn't that seem like something at the party should actually want to do? And it's not like they need anybody else's permission to do so. can't let people get a taste of freedom 
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VitalSigns posted:$1.5 trillion is held directly by the federal government, that's almost all of it I believe. The only real exception are people who refinanced their loans with third parties. These people tend to be high earners. Moreover, probably easier to get Congress to pass the forgiveness for those folks after you do blanket forgiveness for everything you can by EO.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Did anyone post this extremely normal news about Warren that definitely does not portend the immediate collapse of her Nevada office? If Warren can't place at least second in NH then she's cooked. She really needed to perform well in Iowa and didn't get it.
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Pick posted:I understand that these things are much more difficult to institute an actual governmental level, but why do the primaries not use ranked voting? Doesn't that seem like something at the party should actually want to do? And it's not like they need anybody else's permission to do so. It's extremely worth it, but difficult to do without the right people in place and without popular pressure. Pick posted:who is actually most delectable 
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oxsnard posted:LOL who writes a memoir at the age of 35? What a loving dork It’s more common than you think... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreams_from_My_Father Edit: I concede Obama is a dork, of course, but he’s the coolest dork there is. yronic heroism fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Feb 7, 2020 |
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yronic heroism posted:It’s more common than you think... I like you as a poster. Not ironic.
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Pook Good Mook posted:In the near term, there is no feasible alternative to having a personal vehicle for most of the country. Subsidizing electric car research, development, and manufacture is a reality as well as a good way to invest in employment opportunities. From the perspective of reducing emissions, investment in more dense affordable housing and public transit are both better in the near term. And it's not like those don't create tons of jobs and otherwise improve people's lives as well. This was a political move. It's probably the right political move. You have to make compromises to build a coalition. But that was the motive.
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Pick posted:I understand that these things are much more difficult to institute an actual governmental level, but why do the primaries not use ranked voting? Doesn't that seem like something at the party should actually want to do? And it's not like they need anybody else's permission to do so. Primaries are run by the state government so they do in fact need anybody else's permission to do so. Also it'd probably be a huge debate over how exactly to use ranked voting because it's not winner take all. Do you just cut off everyone under the cutoff and redistribute their votes? Work from the bottom one at a time? How do you work in the delegates for specific congressional districts vs "at large" delegates for the entire state? You'd almost certainly end up with different states adopting different methodologies, so the same votes give different results in different states and drive more confusion that would likely provoke a backlash at the process.
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https://twitter.com/Mike2020/status/1225566201079848960 Mike is positioning himself as the "Fast Food Restaurant Twitter" candidate.
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reignonyourparade posted:Primaries are run by the state government so they do in fact need anybody else's permission to do so. Also it'd probably be a huge debate over how exactly to use ranked voting because it's not winner take all. Do you just cut off everyone under the cutoff and redistribute their votes? Work from the bottom one at a time? How do you work in the delegates for specific congressional districts vs "at large" delegates for the entire state? You'd almost certainly end up with different states adopting different methodologies, so the same votes give different results in different states and drive more confusion that would likely provoke a backlash at the process. I mean I was assuming that this would start on the state by state level, that states should want to do it themselves. You are correct that they would have to come up with some thresholds, but I don't think that's an unreasonable challenge.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Did anyone post this extremely normal news about Warren that definitely does not portend the immediate collapse of her Nevada office? it's incredibly emblematic of the difference between politicians and their movements who latch on to good causes for electability and optics reasons versus those who genuinely and primarily want to help people, imo
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oxsnard posted:LOL who writes a memoir at the age of 35? What a loving dork Oh yeah? Do you think President Barack Obama is a "loving dork" as well?
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Hope sanders does well at the debate. I don't watch them cause I think they are completely boring and stupid. But I'll read about the highlights. I'm guessing Sanders goes after Buttigieg hard and Buttigieg does his best to dodge everything. And then the media tries to portray Sanders as a big mean bully! But Sanders has gotten good at navigating these minefields. So hope he keeps doing that.
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Uglycat posted:reminder that this was the thread's 'best case scenario' outcome, going into iowa, before we got distracted by a lovely app, the (obviously anticipated) establishment thumb, and some silly conspiracy theory stuff. Right? Heck just look back in the Iowa polling averages, Buttigieg was leading until recently. It was always going to be competitive, I think a few last-minute polls drastically raised everyone's expectations. Before that everyone had been saying "as long as Bernie is top two and Biden isn't number one, Bernie did what he needed to do", then Bernie wins but not by as much as some hoped and a bunch of people sank into despair.
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Calibanibal posted:Oh yeah? Do you think President Barack Obama is a "loving dork" as well? Yes?
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February 7th 2020 New Hampshire Debate Guide Or The Rise and Fall of Mayor Cheat  When/Where: 8PM Eastern on ABC and HULU It’s Friday. The Iowa disaster was on Monday. It’s all anyone will talk about. Did Mayor Pete conspire with the DNC to rig an election? I don’t know. Here’s what we do know of Iowa: Warren ate poo poo, Biden ate poo poo, and Amy Klobachur ate poo poo. All of them are going to pivot away from the topic. However, both Bernie Sanders and Pete have already claimed victory, so it’s unavoidable. Biden, Amy, and Warren can’t talk about the elephant in the room, so what do they do? Joe Biden: Biden’s goal these last few debates is to remain coherent. He has largely coasted along name recognition, so all he’s had to do is avoid verbal stumbles and fumbles. This tactic has obviously not been working very well. The “don’t fuckup” plan makes him fade in with the houseplants, and no one is showing up to vote for that. What does work is Biden on the attack. He may not be able to think well on his feet, but Biden can fire a prepared attack like the seasoned politician he is. It might be a folksy story, it might be the false claim that Bernie can’t pay m4a (again), who knows. My guess is that his target will probably be Pete if he does it at all, unless he fucks it up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP9JpY6TsYg Oh Joe, just walk into the sunset. Elizabeth Warren: If you want some insider baseball, there’s a long, in depth story about Warren and Bernie. But here’s the TLDR: They used to be buds, but then Warren accused Bernie of misogyny and lying on national television and then pulled a massive 180 because she is full of poo poo. Her twitter got plastered in snake emoticons. Warren just lost Biden’s coattails because it’s obvious Biden is out of this race. However, Warren seems so fresh and new to so many people. She can’t attack Bernie again, that would be disastrous. So she is absolutely going to take a swing at Pete. She’s done it before and it worked, specifically she brought up the “wine cave” attack during the debate. (watch his hands as Warren responds) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQQswRLws4k Here’s him getting shanked on Colbert for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xgOraC4f2w&t=31s Mayor Pete: If you’ve seen him in the debates he, has a tendency to dance in circles: Cpt_Obvious posted:"Mayor Pete, what do you think about X? He will never answer with actual solutions to any problems. He will describe the problem, declare that it requires a fix, and then never tell us how. It’s very similar to Trump. And like Trump, Pete is going to get jumped by every single person on that stage. Bernie “the Brooklyn Bruiser” Sanders: Bernie's in better shape than ever. So far, his strategy is to focus on policy and funding to the exclusion of all else. If someone else is an rear end in a top hat, let the other assholes drag him down with character attacks. Bernie does not get his hands dirty. This is what happens when you make character attacks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wS44qT-ekM Julian Castro barely made it to next debate,and dropped out soon after. Making fun of an old man for forgetting things alienated older voters the same way Hillary’s Pokemon-go-to-the-polls alienated young voters. Bernie is the master of the debate because he has the actual substance to back up his claims. In any debate, it is monumentally advantageous when your position is obviously correct and Bernie Sanders is always on the right side of policy. So that’s where he keeps the conversation: on the material conditions surrounding the debate. Healthcare, income inequality, wages, racism, when it comes to poo poo that actually matters to people, Bernie always comes out on top. That is where he will focus the discussion, on policy. When Iowa comes up, he will certainly defend himself. He might get into a pissing fight with Pete over who won Iowa, but, again, Bernie Sanders easily won the most actual votes, so that’s where he’ll stand. Doing so will either force Pete to retreat from the topic or declare that it is the SDE’s or delegates that actually matter, and that stinks of electoral college nonsense. Bernie has attacked Pete before, to wild success: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LYyVF5ayuE Amy Klobachur: Step 1: I’m from the Midwest! Step 2: ??????? Step 3: Cpt_Obvious fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Feb 8, 2020 |
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ReidRansom posted:Yes? It's Calibanibal.
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Pick posted:I understand that these things are much more difficult to institute an actual governmental level, but why do the primaries not use ranked voting? Doesn't that seem like something at the party should actually want to do? And it's not like they need anybody else's permission to do so. Because the party doesn’t want it. They want everyone to settle for “the sensible and electable moderate” rather than voting with their heart. If we had ranked choice voting there would not be any Joe Bidens because everyone is so terrified they’re just going to vote for the guy that “can win.”
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It seems good that Butt is doing better than Biden and Warren. Of the frontrunners, I would think Bernie could most trounce Butt in a head to head primary. Am I wrong here?
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I'd like to see them also controlled somehow for actual delegate count (Yang can only gain or lose so many SDEs lol) but that doesn't really ding the "sanders was disproportionately hurt, butt was disproportionately helped" takeaway the county (?) distribution for Biden is weird but could easily be one specific data entry person making an internally consistent fuckup
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Lame Devil posted:It seems good that Butt is doing better than Biden and Warren. Of the frontrunners, I would think Bernie could most trounce Butt in a head to head primary. Am I wrong here? I don't see why, once the race is out of Whiteytown USA its hard to see how Mayo Cheat isn't totally screwed.
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Kill Bristol posted:Disappointed but not surprised that Bernie/AOC's climate plan includes big subsidies to auto industry. I get the political logic behind it, he needs to win Michigan in both the primary and general. But the absolute last thing we should be doing right now in terms of reducing emissions is further subsidizing cars, yes including electric cars. That money would be better spent subsidizing dense walk-able housing development or investing in public transit. Michigan and some of South Canada would implode. Sacrificing millions for the greater good, I guess. Part of the auto bailout was that it was necessary to save a state, which it kind of did.
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Calibanibal posted:Oh yeah? Do you think President Barack Obama is a "loving dork" as well? Yes???
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SkyLander posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrZlMRlzGlE I love the Bernman but holy moly the guy's plagued by audio issues.
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:the only tragedy will be bernie not taking home 100% of nh's delegates, but buttigieg has no viability after nh anyway. NH has so few delegates it literally doesn't matter if you get them all or not, the only thing that matters is winning. If Bernie can win he's set to crush Super Tuesday and the two big delegate hauls of California and Texas If the polls can be believed, only Bernie and Pete are viable throughout the state so the winner will get the lion's share if not the majority of delegates up for grabs anyway.
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gandlethorpe posted:I mean, at least Obama waited another 13 years to run for president. And had an actually interesting childhood. True, feels like Butt is trying to speedrun the Obama path but with no charisma and absolutely nothing interesting about him
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I've been arzying like crazy since this primary got started but I'm gonna take everyone's advice and take some breaks from this topic where possible. I'm not an American citizen or resident, I'm just emotionally invested in having a world leader even the odds for the little people. I'm known among my co-workers to be a persuasive speaker with the chops to do sales. I have zero fear when it comes to canvassing or making calls. Were it possible for me I would be working for Bernie's campaign with every minute of free time available to me. I'd likely have hit my donation limit by now too. My obsession with Bernie's candidacy comes from a desire to at least right some of the wrongs in the world and prove that we humans can build a more compassionate society in an era of dispassionate capitalism where we are alienated and our sense of self worth is determined by our earning power. I believe that if you hosed up your life with bad financial decisions, you deserve a chance to make that right and get back on your feet. I believe that people who have made mistakes are redeemable. I believe that if you have been hurt, someone should be there to help you. I believe that if you are poor, you deserve a way out of poverty and into a comfortable existence. I believe that talentless bullies who owe their power and positions to nepotism and class advantages shouldn't hold power over those less fortunate than them. I believe that whether or not you're black, muslim, gay, straight, white or trans that we should all be able to help each other, stand up for one another, listen to one another and be loyal to each other in the pursuit of our common well being. I can go on but I'll basically re-state Bernie's platform plus whatever social democratic movement is the flavor of the month. Anyway long story short these matters are incredibly important to me. The older I get the more I realize reality is a loving horror show. I feel like that guy in that movie who finds out Soylent Green is people. I'm gonna make an effort not to chicken little the thread anymore. These primaries aren't over yet. People have won without Iowa and NH. There have been world events where we narrowly avoided Nuclear war because one or two individuals decided to do the right thing. Lets place our confidence in Bernie and his talented campaign staff that they know what they're doing and that it aint over till its over. At the very least it helps the morale of the thread if we maintain a positive attitude rather than adding to the chorus of negativity. Negativity about Bernie's campaign is not productive. It hurts you, and it hurts me and ultimately doesn't do anything to get him elected. So I'll do what I can from my end and talk to Americans I know, spread the message to anyone who will listen and fight the good fight. To you my American friends, I really hope you take this nomination, beat Trump in the general and make the world a better place. If you can't do that, at least try to do it in your city or state. Kraftwerk fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Feb 8, 2020 |
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