Speedrunning thread 3.6: Oh my god ball block

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Tweezer Reprise: Aug 6, 2013; It hasn't got six strings, but it's a lot of fun.

Venuz Patrol posted:

does he have something set up to automatically record splits? i don't see how else he would get accurate times when the optimization is getting so specific

also, he uses a foot pedal to split, just for posterity

# ? Feb 2, 2020 02:29

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# ? Jun 6, 2024 15:15

Tweezer Reprise: Aug 6, 2013; It hasn't got six strings, but it's a lot of fun.

ilmucche posted:

Been watching some gdq videos and as much fun as the mario maker races are I think I prefer the kaizo runs more. They have a lot more humour and feel a bit less hectic.

what are your faves? i liked the GPW2 one.
e: sorry for doublepost

# ? Feb 2, 2020 02:33

SeXReX: Jan 9, 2009; I drink, mostly.
And get mad at people on the internet

https://twitter.com/MrGymnast86/status/1223794310325260288?s=19

The funniest thing about 3D Zelda being broken is it's literally never twilight princess. Or if it is it's like a triple frame perfect trick that saves 45 seconds.

# ? Feb 2, 2020 09:09

ilmucche: Mar 16, 2016; What did you say the strategy was?

Tweezer Reprise posted:

what are your faves? i liked the GPW2 one.
e: sorry for doublepost

Invictus was pretty good. Super dram world 2 as well. Extremely well executed and precise.

# ? Feb 2, 2020 18:16

KennyMan666: May 27, 2010; The Saga

Wind Waker has gotten even more busted. Linkus now thinks sub-hour any% is gonna be possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R97P1dQSjo

# ? Feb 4, 2020 18:25

Dias: Feb 20, 2011; by sebmojo

I appreciate the 3D Zelda community efforts in making 3D Zelda runs more tolerable to watch.

I mean, they're just gonna run the 100% All BS 5h run instead but still.

# ? Feb 4, 2020 18:34

SuccinctAndPunchy: Mar 29, 2013; People are supposed to get hurt by things. It's fucked up to not. It's not good for you.

https://twitter.com/Succinct_Punchy/status/1224561024692559872

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0UzRxPWIKU

cool, got that one squared away for now.

# ? Feb 5, 2020 02:21

Johnny Joestar: Oct 21, 2010; Don't shoot him?

...
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punchy
is
baba

# ? Feb 5, 2020 02:33

ArfJason: Sep 5, 2011

rose is red
violet is blue
flag is win
world record is you

# ? Feb 5, 2020 03:16

DizzyBum: Apr 16, 2007

I'm rewatching the great FF7 GDQ run from a few years ago. I forgot just how good it was!

I totally forgot about Beefaroni and COOL RANCH. :lol:

if I could go back in time I wouldn't name Cloud "SpikeVege", I would have donated for "SpikeVGta" so it would fit and be readable. Oh well!

SuccinctAndPunchy posted:

https://twitter.com/Succinct_Punchy/status/1224561024692559872

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0UzRxPWIKU

cool, got that one squared away for now.

Haven't actually seen gameplay for this yet. Looks neat. Great run!

# ? Feb 5, 2020 17:18

heehee: Sep 5, 2012; haha wow i cant believe how lucky we got to win

DizzyBum posted:

I'm rewatching the great FF7 GDQ run from a few years ago. I forgot just how good it was!

I totally forgot about Beefaroni and COOL RANCH.

if I could go back in time I wouldn't name Cloud "SpikeVege", I would have donated for "SpikeVGta" so it would fit and be readable. Oh well!

it's so fuckin good dude

# ? Feb 5, 2020 21:11

purkey: Dec 5, 2003; I hate the 90s

Well, I�m ready for the SGDQ for Ocarina of time where the explanation is twice the length of the run

# ? Feb 5, 2020 22:52

SeXReX: Jan 9, 2009; I drink, mostly.
And get mad at people on the internet

Got done lucky draws and came up with this slick run of Lenna's Inception this morning
http://www.twitch.tv/seckswrecks/v/547691210?sr=a&t=6s

# ? Feb 6, 2020 18:21

heehee: Sep 5, 2012; haha wow i cant believe how lucky we got to win

https://youtu.be/ZldHtnUfgco

Narcissa back with the OoT any% record with uh. 8:48???

# ? Feb 6, 2020 18:34

DizzyBum: Apr 16, 2007

heeheex2 posted:

it's so fuckin good dude

It really is. I've been re-watching it over the course of the week. I honestly forgot lots of subtle story beats of FF7 and it makes me extra excited for the remake.

I also rewatched the SGDQ 2019 Zelda/Metroid combo randomizer in-between because god drat it Patty has the best commentary. Next I gotta rewatch the GDQx run because of BOOTS.

heeheex2 posted:

https://youtu.be/ZldHtnUfgco

Narcissa back with the OoT any% record with uh. 8:48???

This is one of those times I wish there was an accompanying commentary track. I know it has to do with the recently-discovered wrong-warp but hell if I know what they're actually doing here to execute it.

# ? Feb 6, 2020 19:04

SeXReX: Jan 9, 2009; I drink, mostly.
And get mad at people on the internet

DizzyBum posted:

It really is. I've been re-watching it over the course of the week. I honestly forgot lots of subtle story beats of FF7 and it makes me extra excited for the remake.

I also rewatched the SGDQ 2019 Zelda/Metroid combo randomizer in-between because god drat it Patty has the best commentary. Next I gotta rewatch the GDQx run because of BOOTS.

This is one of those times I wish there was an accompanying commentary track. I know it has to do with the recently-discovered wrong-warp but hell if I know what they're actually doing here to execute it.

Holding an object that isn't loaded makes your held object a point in the memory that doesn't get corrected and from there it's just a matter of doing some compsci magic to feed the game the right 1s and 0s to make it think it's a really good idea to load the credits right now.

# ? Feb 6, 2020 19:09

cage-free egghead: Mar 8, 2004

DizzyBum posted:

This is one of those times I wish there was an accompanying commentary track. I know it has to do with the recently-discovered wrong-warp but hell if I know what they're actually doing here to execute it.

Same, Narcissa originally got me into OOT Any% and I thought she did a great job with commentary on those.

ANY% IS ALIVE

# ? Feb 6, 2020 21:32

pumpinglemma: Apr 28, 2009; DD: Fondly regard abomination.

heeheex2 posted:

https://youtu.be/ZldHtnUfgco

Narcissa back with the OoT any% record with uh. 8:48???

She's already brought it down again to 8:45.

# ? Feb 6, 2020 21:52

Social Media: Jan 21, 2010

This isn't strictly speedrun related but I figured there's enough general interest in SM64 here to be worth it. There's been an ongoing project to decompile and reverse engineer SM64 and the team now has a perfect recreation of the source code*. This has allowed people to fix bugs in the original game and even optimize performance in particularly laggy areas like Dire Dire Docks. This video is a decent overview of one such discovery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKlbE2eROC0

*Recompiling the reverse engineered source code produces a byte for byte exact copy of the original ROM.

# ? Feb 8, 2020 07:12

Inferior Third Season: Jan 15, 2005

Social Media posted:

This isn't strictly speedrun related but I figured there's enough general interest in SM64 here to be worth it. There's been an ongoing project to decompile and reverse engineer SM64 and the team now has a perfect recreation of the source code*. This has allowed people to fix bugs in the original game and even optimize performance in particularly laggy areas like Dire Dire Docks. This video is a decent overview of one such discovery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKlbE2eROC0

*Recompiling the reverse engineered source code produces a byte for byte exact copy of the original ROM.

I once spent a few days at a previous job looking at decompiled code to figure out how a program worked that was much simpler than a full 3D game, and it was probably the most miserable few days of my life. I can't imagine doing something like that for fun.

Have they been able to do more than mess around with the make file compiler flags? Have they dug down into the actual code and been able to make any sense of it?

# ? Feb 8, 2020 13:30

Carbon dioxide: Oct 9, 2012

Inferior Third Season posted:

Have they been able to do more than mess around with the make file compiler flags? Have they dug down into the actual code and been able to make any sense of it?

I mean, I'm pretty sure most of pannenkoek's info in his videos are from digging around in the code.

# ? Feb 8, 2020 13:39

ArfJason: Sep 5, 2011

Yeah not to mention kaze's poo poo like making open worlds and programming insane new behaviors in sm64

# ? Feb 8, 2020 15:29

Weird Pumpkin: Oct 7, 2007

Oot Any% is slowly starting to look more and more like some sort of edited game footage released on some obscure forum showing how you can totally beat the game in under ten minutes.

It's incredible how far the game has been pushed. I can't imagine showing what's possible today to runners from even a few years ago and having them believe it.

# ? Feb 8, 2020 15:33

dirby: Sep 21, 2004; Helping goons with math

On the decompilation of SM64:

As mentioned in that video, the completion of figuring out what all the functions and such do is relatively recent, and was not needed for most of Pannenkoek's work/all of Kaze's work. Most of what Pannenkoek does is based on STROOP, his way of monitoring and understanding RAM during gameplay, which was comparatively easier to sort out versus figuring out all the functions used to build the ROM.

IIRC, Pannekoek did use partial completion of the decompilation project a year or two ago to build an accurate simulator of the randomness in Tick Tock Clock to determine that a potential A-button challenge strategy which depended on insane luck would not be feasible/or at least would likely require days and days of waiting/manipulation.

Now that the decompilation project is done, I'm not sure what it's been used for aside from examine the compiler flag stuff and confirm that the bulk of the Dire Dire Docks lag is from the sub's collision detection being set up as if it were going to move, making it much more computationally intensive than needed. If there's other stuff being done with it, it hasn't been relevant to Pannenkoek's videos. Maybe the decompilation will be used to search for new ABC stuff or is being used to confirm that the strategy for 0 A presses should work the way people think, but I haven't kept up with the news/discord recently.

# ? Feb 8, 2020 15:55

Double Punctuation: Dec 30, 2009; Ships were made for sinking;
Whiskey made for drinking;
If we were made of cellophane
We'd all get stinking drunk much faster!

Elvis_Maximus posted:

Oot Any% is slowly starting to look more and more like some sort of edited game footage released on some obscure forum showing how you can totally beat the game in under ten minutes.

It's incredible how far the game has been pushed. I can't imagine showing what's possible today to runners from even a few years ago and having them believe it.

Same with Wind Waker. I bet they’ll find a way to complete the run with nothing but the Wind Waker itself soon.

# ? Feb 8, 2020 17:29

Suspicious Dish: Sep 24, 2011; 2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro; Fun Shoe

most people in the decomp project are working on a pc port now lol

# ? Feb 8, 2020 17:31

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

dirby posted:

On the decompilation of SM64:

As mentioned in that video, the completion of figuring out what all the functions and such do is relatively recent, and was not needed for most of Pannenkoek's work/all of Kaze's work. Most of what Pannenkoek does is based on STROOP, his way of monitoring and understanding RAM during gameplay, which was comparatively easier to sort out versus figuring out all the functions used to build the ROM.

...of course he called it STROOP.

# ? Feb 8, 2020 17:38

ArfJason: Sep 5, 2011

dirby posted:

On the decompilation of SM64:

As mentioned in that video, the completion of figuring out what all the functions and such do is relatively recent, and was not needed for most of Pannenkoek's work/all of Kaze's work. Most of what Pannenkoek does is based on STROOP, his way of monitoring and understanding RAM during gameplay, which was comparatively easier to sort out versus figuring out all the functions used to build the ROM.

IIRC, Pannekoek did use partial completion of the decompilation project a year or two ago to build an accurate simulator of the randomness in Tick Tock Clock to determine that a potential A-button challenge strategy which depended on insane luck would not be feasible/or at least would likely require days and days of waiting/manipulation.

Now that the decompilation project is done, I'm not sure what it's been used for aside from examine the compiler flag stuff and confirm that the bulk of the Dire Dire Docks lag is from the sub's collision detection being set up as if it were going to move, making it much more computationally intensive than needed. If there's other stuff being done with it, it hasn't been relevant to Pannenkoek's videos. Maybe the decompilation will be used to search for new ABC stuff or is being used to confirm that the strategy for 0 A presses should work the way people think, but I haven't kept up with the news/discord recently.

Ty for the info. I always assumed kaze used at least some part of decompilation given that his stuff is super involved.

# ? Feb 8, 2020 18:03

site: Apr 6, 2007; Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch

bigjon is hosting a resident evil marathon this weekend

https://horaro.org/nbre/schedule

https://www.twitch.tv/BigJon

# ? Feb 8, 2020 22:56

UraniumAnchor: May 21, 2006; Not a walrus.

AGDQ2020 photos are up.

# ? Feb 11, 2020 00:04

YggiDee: Sep 12, 2007; WASP CREW

Hey, I just wanted so thanks for all the hard work uploading the GDQ stuff afterwards, Twitch runs like rear end on my computer so I rely on YouTube videos to see all the cool poo poo.

# ? Feb 11, 2020 02:44

mfcrocker: Jan 31, 2004; Hot Rope Guy

Badger got his official revenge run https://www.twitch.tv/videos/550098164

# ? Feb 11, 2020 12:52

ArfJason: Sep 5, 2011

mfcrocker posted:

Badger got his official revenge run https://www.twitch.tv/videos/550098164

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIyixC9NsLI

# ? Feb 11, 2020 17:23

KennyMan666: May 27, 2010; The Saga

Marathons are arriving. ESA Winter starts on Sunday and runs until the 22nd, and literally the next day on the 23rd, Frost Fatales starts and runs until the end of February (in timezones such as mine, it ends in March, even). So I've been toying around with the idea of making one thread to cover both of them, since ESAW threads don't tend to be super active, and I doubt a standalone FF thread would do much better. For reference, the GDQx 2019 thread reached only three pages, it's really only AGDQ and SGDQ threads that get a ton of activity. Opinions on that?

# ? Feb 11, 2020 23:31

DEEP STATE PLOT: Aug 13, 2008; Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!

mfcrocker posted:

Badger got his official revenge run https://www.twitch.tv/videos/550098164

not official until he does it at a gdq

# ? Feb 11, 2020 23:33

MagusofStars: Mar 31, 2012

KennyMan666 posted:

So I've been toying around with the idea of making one thread to cover both of them, since ESAW threads don't tend to be super active, and I doubt a standalone FF thread would do much better.

Combined thread seems perfectly sensible to me.

# ? Feb 12, 2020 05:06

SeXReX: Jan 9, 2009; I drink, mostly.
And get mad at people on the internet

Then keep it open until March 8th for midwinter speedsprinter :p

https://horaro.org/mwss2020/schedule

We expanded partnerships with restreaming groups and now my speedrun marathon has more language options than my high school did xD

# ? Feb 12, 2020 05:14

Healbot: Jul 7, 2006; very very very fucjable
very vywr very

We need two ESA threads, one for each stream.

# ? Feb 12, 2020 06:28

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

KennyMan666 posted:

Marathons are arriving. ESA Winter starts on Sunday and runs until the 22nd, and literally the next day on the 23rd, Frost Fatales starts and runs until the end of February (in timezones such as mine, it ends in March, even). So I've been toying around with the idea of making one thread to cover both of them, since ESAW threads don't tend to be super active, and I doubt a standalone FF thread would do much better. For reference, the GDQx 2019 thread reached only three pages, it's really only AGDQ and SGDQ threads that get a ton of activity. Opinions on that?

Seems like a good idea to keep one thread around when they're this close.

# ? Feb 12, 2020 12:04

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# ? Jun 6, 2024 15:15

VideoGames: Aug 18, 2003

KennyMan666 posted:

Marathons are arriving. ESA Winter starts on Sunday and runs until the 22nd, and literally the next day on the 23rd, Frost Fatales starts and runs until the end of February (in timezones such as mine, it ends in March, even). So I've been toying around with the idea of making one thread to cover both of them, since ESAW threads don't tend to be super active, and I doubt a standalone FF thread would do much better. For reference, the GDQx 2019 thread reached only three pages, it's really only AGDQ and SGDQ threads that get a ton of activity. Opinions on that?

One thread for both works for me and I can keep it stickied and change the title when it becomes the Frost Fatales run.

# ? Feb 12, 2020 12:29

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