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Halloween Jack posted:When there's a series of fuckups and every single one benefits the establishment, that's functionally identical to a conspiracy. V. Illych L. posted:incompetence and chaos provides opportunities for whoever commands the structures in play to put their thumb on the scale. this is a big part of why people are saying that incompetence/malice isn't that big a distinction - a half-assed process is much easier to rig. I wasn't trying to do the malice vs incompetence debate, I agree that they're generally the same in this case. It's an issue of what tactics the DNC is willing to resort to. The New Hampshire primary is just a basic primary. afaik there's no new app or procedures or anything like that. That should be simple and go smoothly. So I'm viewing the New Hampshire primary as a test of the DNC. Are they willing to have even a single state contest go smoothly? Or will they turn them all into debacles just to deny Bernie clean wins? Is Iowa the model going forward? More than anything, that's what I think we will learn from New Hampshire.
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NH will run perfectly fine because the fix is already in.
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I'm honestly worried at this point that they will just, like, rig voting machines.
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They don't have to  :! They just get the votes and just like Iowa, throw out all the bernie ones until someone else wins! Vermont's going to be called with like 4% reporting it'll be great.
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Halloween Jack posted:I'm honestly worried at this point that they will just, like, rig voting machines. If not in the primaries, certainly in the general. 
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NH uses all paper ballots, even if machines do the tabulating, there's still the physical copies. Nobody has to rig poo poo. Iowa is always a mess, and it gave them what they needed. Conspiracies about rigging are just a way to make our banal dystopia seem more exciting than it is.
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ChipNDip posted:NH uses all paper ballots, even if machines do the tabulating, there's still the physical copies. bad news for you about how resistant paper is to seawater, furnaces, having twice as much fraudulent paper stacked next to it, etc E: i mean what was iowa but the dnc and the cia and the press all agreeing that they will do anything to stop Americans from voting for bernie. projecthalaxy has issued a correction as of 17:32 on Feb 7, 2020 |
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Feb 7, 2020 17:28
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Sometimes a box of votes just gets left in a hallway or storage facility.
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Yes, but all of that is too obviously blatantly corrupt. Iowa was a shitshow, but not on the same level as actually stuffing ballots or throwing them out. The point was to get the consensus intelligence community candidate the boost he needed, and then they'll let the media work their magic on Boomers to do the rest. That golly-gee, what a bright young man, teacher's pet poo poo is catnip to white liberals over the age of 50 (the conservative/moderate majority of old white people think it's need bullshit, but the earnest Dem primary voter laps it up)
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If Bernie wins NH the press can simply ignore it and keep reporting on Iowa. There's no rules that they ever have to let the narrative go for Bernie.
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quote:parasocialist relationships BRB, gonna make a Felix Beiderman tulpa for these trying times
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lots of irregularities will be glossed over, but if they get caught actually stuffing ballots it's going to cause outrage i think. election trickery is basically expected these days, but i'm pretty sure the line goes at explicit tampering with individual votes
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If Bernie loses due to repeated obvious fuckery even on the level of what we saw in Iowa it's going to break the party for a generation. If Bernie loses that's basically the best case scenario, the dems going the way of the Whigs.
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Retromancer posted:If Bernie loses due to repeated obvious fuckery even on the level of what we saw in Iowa it's going to break the party for a generation. I want Bernie as President. But I know what we face and also know that the democrats dying out like the whigs would actually really help the left. America having a left wing moment and seeing the center party kill itself would I argue create enough of a vacume for a party where Bernie would at best be the voice of the center to emerge.
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the best case scenario isn't the dems "dying out" as much as bernie and the left taking over the party and removing every last lanyard scumbag until all that remains is the name
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If only to get rid of that insane two-party system Democrats disintegrating would be a great thing.
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Serf posted:most people i know immediately come around on bernie when you tell them about college debt elimination and m4a. just those two policies alone are huge among normal people I know, those are exactly the kinds of people that need to know the dead simple points of what Bernie's running on and what he's going to do the pundits will complain of the oasis' source as they die of thirst
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Percelus posted:the best case scenario isn't the dems "dying out" as much as bernie and the left taking over the party and removing every last lanyard scumbag until all that remains is the name that won't happen unless Bernie wins. If he loses it means the centrists would choose irrelevance over submission to the left.
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northlandz is superior to trainland usa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk12ZM8OWy8 not even close
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Limerick posted:BRB, gonna make a Felix Beiderman tulpa for these trying times all of Chapo is just a tulpa you forgot you made
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Serf posted:most people i know immediately come around on bernie when you tell them about college debt elimination and m4a. just those two policies alone are huge among normal people yeah. my friend is 100k in student debt and was leaning pete until i told her about bernies complete elimination of said debt and pete’s milk toast bullshit.
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Retromancer posted:that won't happen unless Bernie wins. If he loses it means the centrists would choose irrelevance over submission to the left. I actually don’t think they have that choice. They have hosed up too much to just be the pliant useless opposition and relied too much on a populist left to give them some chance at power. I think the break up of the democrats might just kill them off entirely.
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papa horny michael posted:Has anyone wrote an article saying that Obama should endorse Buttigieg yet? If Pete didn't have such an awful relationship with the black community, he might have, and Biden might have dropped out after Iowa. But I don't see Biden or Obama endorsing Pete. As much as anyone here won't want to admit it, they're likely to endorse Bernie over anyone else, when they have the most to gain. Centrist or no, these people seem to hate Pete more than Yang, Steyer, or even Bloomberg.
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Crowsbeak posted:I actually don’t think they have that choice. They have hosed up too much to just be the pliant useless opposition and relied too much on a populist left to give them some chance at power. I think the break up of the democrats might just kill them off entirely. they’re the pliant useless opposition right now. breaking the party would mean they fulfill their current role but hold even less power, and I think the people in control of the party would be fine with that, since the current party exists more as a way to enrich consultants and hangers on than as a party with an agenda and strategy.
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Retromancer posted:they’re the pliant useless opposition right now. breaking the party would mean they fulfill their current role but hold even less power, and I think the people in control of the party would be fine with that, since the current party exists more as a way to enrich consultants and hangers on than as a party with an agenda and strategy. Probably not. Donors give money if they expect you to win. Donors would just switch to GOP.
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Exodus1984 posted:If Pete didn't have such an awful relationship with the black community, he might have, and Biden might have dropped out after Iowa. But I don't see Biden or Obama endorsing Pete. As much as anyone here won't want to admit it, they're likely to endorse Bernie over anyone else, when they have the most to gain. Centrist or no, these people seem to hate Pete more than Yang, Steyer, or even Bloomberg. yes, but I want to see the poo poo heads who think it's an option. there's probably one. peoples think klobuchar can be president
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Dasha really was great in the premium episode where she said that Ultrawoke need to be ostracized for the left to move forward.
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verily, thiʃ iʃ goinge in my cryynge triptych
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Crowsbeak posted:Dasha really was great in the premium episode where she said that Ultrawoke need to be ostracized for the left to move forward. 
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Crowsbeak posted:Dasha really was great in the premium episode where she said that Ultrawoke need to be ostracized for the left to move forward. https://twitter.com/annakhachiyan/status/1226267011510079496?s=19
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Crowsbeak posted:Dasha really was great in the premium episode where she said that Ultrawoke need to be ostracized for the left to move forward. You subscribed to the Red Scare Patreon?
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She is right. That person is pretty morally repugnant. Jordan Peterson deserves sympathy, despite him being a over educated idiot.
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Gripweed posted:You subscribed to the Red Scare Patreon? Someone I know through twitter sends me the episodes. Oh hey the pronoun engineer worked for a company while they had a contract to due work on drones for DoD. GIRL POWER. Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 21:54 on Feb 9, 2020 |
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Crowsbeak posted:She is right. That person is pretty morally repugnant. Jordan Peterson deserves sympathy, despite him being a over educated idiot. actually, Peterson has only ever made the world a worse place with his behavior and it's kind of funny that his sociopath daughter shipped him off to a shady Russian clinic to have him lobotomized so she can usurp his finances.
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