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Pwnstar posted:Their replicator gave them lovely tv dinners to eat which they hated. Unless the Federation purposely programmed it wrong as a joke then they are too poor/low status to be allowed a proper replicator. Raffi's living situation could be caused by her being a huge loving idiot but her resentment of Picard's nice house with heirloom furniture strongly implies that he's a piece of poo poo rich old white dude compared to her, the black woman who lives in a trailer smoking spaceweed all day after getting fired. Good natured bitching about the old style replicators from workers who are otherwise smiley and pleased. It's portrayed as a job where you are isolated and go without the finer things, sure. Like an oil rig worker or something. But did you watch the short trek? Their kids on earth are going to a very nice looking school. Them wearing hard hats and not having the best food available at work doesn't mean they are poor! The Picard family owning a Vineyard isn't a new thing in this show though, they were always privileged. If this breaks Star Trek then blame TNG.
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marktheando posted:If this breaks Star Trek then blame TNG. No it does not. You acshually confirmed all that was said before. It all works. Well, at least for me.
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Feb 9, 2020 16:36
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Love to see DS9 fans complain about Star Trek portraying super smart engineers doing a very important job as working class everymen.
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marktheando posted:Good natured bitching about the old style replicators from workers who are otherwise smiley and pleased. It's portrayed as a job where you are isolated and go without the finer things, sure. Like an oil rig worker or something. But did you watch the short trek? Their kids on earth are going to a very nice looking school. Them wearing hard hats and not having the best food available at work doesn't mean they are poor! Yeah, the appearance of the vineyard raised the question of what determines whether a Federation citizen has more land than another in a certain location if there are factors aside from ancestral ownership. My parents had their house taken away because they couldn't pay they put the house up for a mortgage because they were unable to pay the property tax. Land in proximity to a certain location is inherently a limited resource that can't be replicated, even though everything on the vineyard itself can be. Picard having a vineyard didn't bother me, though, because it ultimately doesn't matter much except for the sentimental value of owning the same parcel of land as an ancestor. Unlike our Earth, having any land at all is not an issue, and they can move to another class M planet if it's about the climate, and transportation distances are so much shorter that those are less likely to be a factor, too. galenanorth fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Feb 9, 2020 |
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marktheando posted:Good natured bitching about the old style replicators from workers who are otherwise smiley and pleased. It's portrayed as a job where you are isolated and go without the finer things, sure. Like an oil rig worker or something. But did you watch the short trek? Their kids on earth are going to a very nice looking school. Them wearing hard hats and not having the best food available at work doesn't mean they are poor! Why are they going without the finer things though? They were all on Mars so it seems unlikely that there would be any "cost" to giving them a replicator that works.
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Feb 9, 2020 16:58
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The Federation really should have had a chat with Quark about sourcing better replicators.
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Pwnstar posted:Why are they going without the finer things though? They were all on Mars so it seems unlikely that there would be any "cost" to giving them a replicator that works. Y'see, the quarks on Mars are just too unstable for quantum foodification and that's why they only get simple meals out of their iReplicators. They would beam them in from orbit, but the tachyon interference is just too strong.
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Wow. loving idiots. I thought it was a pretty good demonstration that it is still the free utopian society of Trek. Her life's a wreck, largely because she didn't rise above the loss of her Starfleet career, and yet she has a massive plot of land (possibly equal to the vineyard) where she gets to take drugs, drink, and keep firearms. She isn't being interfered with by the state. Nor is she being deprived. She obviously wants to be left alone, and so that's what she gets. She can create anything from her replicator, and she can still beam to anywhere on the planet at any time she desires. And can call upon a friend with his own personal spaceship at a moment's notice. Her complaints about Picard's luxury was, I thought, obviously rooted in envy that he kept his status and reputation as the great captain, she on the other hand is an obscure and forgotten nobody. His vineyard represents that in her mind, while she chooses to live in minimalist barren psuedo-isolation as the embodiment of her sense of her own standing. To read this, and whatever that complaint about the people working on Mars was, as proof that the Federation isn't a post-scarcity Utopia requires a stretch of interpretation bordering on the deliberately dishonest. Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Feb 9, 2020 |
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Pwnstar posted:Why are they going without the finer things though? They were all on Mars so it seems unlikely that there would be any "cost" to giving them a replicator that works. Well starship construction is one thing they definitely aren’t post scarcity on, so maybe resources are stretched with making the biggest armada ever.
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Cynic Jester posted:Y'see, the quarks on Mars are just too unstable for quantum foodification and that's why they only get simple meals out of their iReplicators. They would beam them in from orbit, but the tachyon interference is just too strong. The tachyon interference you say *beams chicken and mushroom pie into the past, changing the timeline forever*
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:The tachyon interference you say *accidentally leaves a pudding cup in 19th century San Fransisco* *Geordi never existed*
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So that's how Data's head really ended up in the 19th Century.
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Hey so are we gonna talk about how the only person of color on the show is a drug addicted gently caress up?
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Hey so are we gonna talk about how the only person of color on the show is a drug addicted gently caress up? I've got some questions about what you think "person of color" means 
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Hey so are we gonna talk about how the only person of color on the show is a drug addicted gently caress up? Are we going to talk about how you're ignoring people of colour to make a lovely racist jibe as a way to attack the programme?
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I feel like people are being weirdly obtuse to try to bend Raffi's situation into being part of the "utopian" future. Everything we see and everything that is coded is supposed to denote someone who's hit rockbottom in life and has an extreme lack of privilege. And the issue isn't that Star Trek is ruined or that United Earth needs to be perfect in every single way. The issue is that the notion of a post scarcity world is interesting as is a world where people move away from a consumerist lifestyle. The option to just make it the 21st century with transporters is boring. Picard will justify its existence only if Worf comes on. I am all aboard seeing Worf really gently caress up dudes.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Wait, did people see Raffi's living situation as being somehow imposed upon her by Federation society, instead of a deliberate self-destructive choice that she's allowed to indulge in? Yea lol Also something something sunglasses 
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replicator food always kinda sucked
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oh but seriously I posted:replicator food always kinda sucked
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Feb 9, 2020 18:16
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my canon is that the reason restaurants still exist is because only STEMlords with no idea how to cook know how to program the replicators
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Timeless Appeal posted:I feel like people are being weirdly obtuse to try to bend Raffi's situation into being part of the "utopian" future. Everything we see and everything that is coded is supposed to denote someone who's hit rockbottom in life and has an extreme lack of privilege. And the issue isn't that Star Trek is ruined or that United Earth needs to be perfect in every single way. Well, you can go with the fundamentalist Roddenberry position that in the Federation humans are, emotionally, robots if you want but it restricts your storytelling and kills character development. Also, she doesn't read as "rock bottom" to me at all. She's a bitter failure wasting away her days. And how someone can be a bitter failure wasting their life our of self-pity in that post scarcity setting is interesting.
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obviously you can ask the computer to do it but they are always on the bubble of going full on "kill all the humans" and so are constantly low-key loving with you
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pik_d posted:I've got some questions about what you think "person of color" means Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Are we going to talk about how you're ignoring people of colour to make a lovely racist jibe as a way to attack the programme? Nevermind, I'm an idiot. Hoisted on my own Picard.
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Michael Chabon must’ve been reading this thread
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Hey so are we gonna talk about how the only person of color on the show is a drug addicted gently caress up? Are we prepared to unpack "person of color" in this thread as a chauvinist American neologism so incredibly reductive as to lump together the 7.1 billion people on Earth who aren't of European ancestry lmao? Of course, the correct answer is that Chairman Oh is a Vulcan and therefore isn't really East Asian at all.
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I like this guy. I'm going to miss him.
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Arglebargle III posted:Are we prepared to unpack "person of color" in this thread as a chauvinist American neologism so incredibly reductive as to lump together the 7.1 billion people on Earth who aren't of European ancestry lmao? And Dahj and Soji are are synths so aren't half Filipino
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I always assumed the replicator inferiority stuff was a mix of people not knowing how to properly ask for things and being smug luddites about the convenience. Like it makes food at an atomic level, it's not gonna be noticeably different to the real thing if you're not just asking for "one soup, hot" or whatever.
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I am never going to not find "our last mission got hosed up and you didn't talk to me for 14 years so I got hooked on space weed, which I vape in the desert" hilarious, the same with commodore cool's bitchin shades or their badass new ship from Mass effect complete with cigar-chomping emotionally damaged pilot I don't care about pedantic nerd lore explanations for it he wrote for the spin-off comic book or whatever, just the fact that this guy thinks this stuff would be relevant to me in Star Trek is funny by itself
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People unironically being mad about the sunglasses is the funniest thing. Going to laugh when Commodore Oh turns out to be a secret
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the computer has everyone convinced that tea has the taste and texture of mash potatoes. it did it as a joke
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I believe the replicator matrix complaint was a reference to the Short Trek with Spock and Number One where Number One said she created her own replicator matrix
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You know for a fact that there would be some nerd that creates some hungry man meal replicator matrix. "This was the manliest meal of the 21st century"
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Computer; bacon weave, 0.25 square meters, thick-cut, peppered.
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Brawnfire posted:Computer; bacon weave, 0.25 square meters, thick-cut, peppered. Make it yourself
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nine-gear crow posted:Make it yourself *Pig corpse flops out of replicator*
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“Computer, pile it high.”
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Such a sassy subroutine, hand me my hyperspanner.
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please specify desired awesomeness of blossom
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Cojawfee posted:You know for a fact that there would be some nerd that creates some hungry man meal replicator matrix. "This was the manliest meal of the 21st century" And that nerd's name was Tom Paris.
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