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I finished this game just now and it was definitely a ride and GOTY. It ended fairly disastrously but I guess it mostly worked out. On the night before the last day I managed to fail the 97%(!!!!) check to warn Kim and he took a bullet for me, and I refused Cuno's help because as much fun as it would be, taking a junior druggie seemed like the worst of all ideas. It made the endgame pretty lonely but I let it ride to the end. I might go back and try again though just to bring Kim with this time.
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Glagha posted:I finished this game just now and it was definitely a ride and GOTY. It ended fairly disastrously but I guess it mostly worked out. On the night before the last day I managed to fail the 97%(!!!!) check to warn Kim and he took a bullet for me, and I refused Cuno's help because as much fun as it would be, taking a junior druggie seemed like the worst of all ideas. It made the endgame pretty lonely but I let it ride to the end. I might go back and try again though just to bring Kim with this time. If you take cuno to the end, he rehabilitates, you save his life and becomes a model cop. Sorry, you hosed up.
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Feb 8, 2020 21:53
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Buddy, that's not the only thing I hosed up.
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Feb 8, 2020 21:55
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How does the Phasmid stuff play out with Cuno instead of Kim? e: sorry bout that TommyGun85 fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Feb 9, 2020 |
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Feb 8, 2020 23:22
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TommyGun85 posted:How does the Phasmid stuff play out with Cuno instead of Kim? Cuno won't have a camera so you don't have proof. e: spoilering the quote too UnknownMercenary fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Feb 8, 2020 |
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Feb 8, 2020 23:27
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TommyGun85 posted:spoilers Arrhythmia posted:spoilers yo there's new peeps itt, you two should probably spoiler that stuff
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Feb 9, 2020 00:31
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Total amount of passive checks in the game (with graphs)
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Feb 9, 2020 02:16
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I'm surprised Encyclopedia has so few, given that passive checks are kind of its whole thing. I guess the thing to consider is that raw number of passive checks does not necessarily inform how meaningful that interaction is. Like Inland Empire has a ton of passive checks but a lot of the time it doesn't say very much. (Also I'm curious now as to what the single 20+ difficulty passive check for Perception is, since apparently it's the only one in the game that requires that much skill)
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Feb 9, 2020 02:29
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The Cheshire Cat posted:I'm surprised Encyclopedia has so few, given that passive checks are kind of its whole thing. I guess the thing to consider is that raw number of passive checks does not necessarily inform how meaningful that interaction is. Like Inland Empire has a ton of passive checks but a lot of the time it doesn't say very much. there are also antipassive checks, where you get dialogue if your skill is below a certain level.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:The main thing to really blow cash on is drugs/booze since they are consumable. I think you can get more than enough cash to buy literally every non-consumable item in the game. I guess you could also slowly spend it all on your hotel bill every night although you'd have to be deliberately ignoring the free shack after day 3. i didnt want to be too far from kim 
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Just finished the game a couple days ago. The writing was generally amazing and I liked the ending overall (although I was hoping for a more solvable murder mystery, rather than the killer kinda just being pulled out of the blue at the last minute) but I was thrown off by the fact that the only good (or maybe only, period? I'm not sure how it pans out if you screw up a lot) ending has you return to/remain being a cop. My impression was that the game was spelling out all the way through how destructive police work is for Harry and how it brings out the worst in him - you can read the case files about some of the awful, violent poo poo he did in the past, and most of the time you invoke your authority in during the game itself it leads to violence or meaningless ego affirmation. Actually performing your duties like you're meant to ends up causing a lot of bad outcomes, like getting Ruby and Klaasje killed, and some of the most powerful moments of healing or making the world a better place come from actively doing stuff a cop isn't meant to be doing, like giving Cuno the drugs so he can join your party later, or participating in setting up the dance club. Combined with the late-game revelation that Dora was the one who talked him into joining the RCM in the first place and that he coped with her leaving by throwing himself violently into his work, it felt like it was building to a lesson that, even though Harry can be a good cop, that's not the same as being a good person, and that the best thing for him is to leave. But then it just kinda uncritically has him leap back into the thing that hosed him up to begin with, without it even being a choice? I dunno, I'm surprised I haven't really seen this take around, since it felt very dissonant for me. It also seemed strange how a game that was so overtly left-wing in its politics seemed to be romanticizing the police. I wasn't sure what to make of it. PoorWeather fucked around with this message at 08:13 on Feb 9, 2020 |
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Feb 9, 2020 08:00
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Glagha posted:Buddy, that's not the only thing I hosed up. I felt really bad to discover that I let Elizabeth get killed in the showdown. She did absolutely nothing wrong and got murdered by some rent a cops for no reason
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Twin Peaks: The Return is both overtly left-wing and romanticizes the police.
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Mr. Dick posted:Twin Peaks: The Return is both overtly left-wing and romanticizes the police. a classic case of mixed consciousness
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Feb 9, 2020 10:25
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PoorWeather posted:
There is a lot of hinting at the unit planning to participate in an insurgency. Which vastly changes the character of staying in the force. Also, the RCM is more of an imagining of alternative form of policing (for example the RCM is the publicly-controlled alternative to being policed by the Moralintern). Although Kim mentions that some officers engage in more 'traditional' policework in his district. Idiot Doom Spiral fucked around with this message at 11:15 on Feb 9, 2020 |
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Feb 9, 2020 11:11
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PoorWeather posted:Just finished the game a couple days ago. The writing was generally amazing and I liked the ending overall (although I was hoping for a more solvable murder mystery, rather than the killer kinda just being pulled out of the blue at the last minute) but I was thrown off by the fact that the only good (or maybe only, period? I'm not sure how it pans out if you screw up a lot) ending has you return to/remain being a cop. My impression was that the game was spelling out all the way through how destructive police work is for Harry and how it brings out the worst in him - you can read the case files about some of the awful, violent poo poo he did in the past, and most of the time you invoke your authority in during the game itself it leads to violence or meaningless ego affirmation. Actually performing your duties like you're meant to ends up causing a lot of bad outcomes, like getting Ruby and Klaasje killed, and some of the most powerful moments of healing or making the world a better place come from actively doing stuff a cop isn't meant to be doing, like giving Cuno the drugs so he can join your party later, or participating in setting up the dance club. i think you misread some things or made questionable decisions but thought that was the right/only way to do it for instance giving cuno drugs is not the only way by any means to "get on his good side" and you can talk him over even if you get the drugs for him (out of his household) and still tell him youre not going to give them to him cause he needs to quit. I think the only way to really get him on a straight and narrow is some specific endgame circumstances but if you do a slamdunk job with the corpse and autopsy you'll win his respect just from that. the dance club you can justify to kim that it was getting the kids off the freezing bay and somewhere warm, and though unconventional it does lead to some pretty big revelations. killing ruby isnt the only option if you can pass the checks, and even kim will be like yeah it's for the best we let her go. one of the dozen only hard endstates is letting ruby killing herself and then harry just going gently caress it i quit this job iirc. these hard failstates only are possible by like, actually getting killed or by shooting kids so that tells you how serious screwing up that interaction is i think the most important thing is the RCM's character is kind of different from regular real world police, and you're given a wide discretion in solving matters but you also operate pretty much on an informal agreement with the local population because of RCM's revolutionary background but also that there really isn't a "government" still in Revachol. that and harry going off the background revealed that he's a weird cop but also a surprisingly effective one (probably one of the best tbh) until all the drugs and depression hosed him up
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Alright (end of game spoilers) When I was doing my list for GotY this was on my list even though I hadn't beaten it. I called the world 'hopeless'. Somebody said...something about that not necessarily being the case. I don't know what it was, it was in a spoiler. But it's a world dominated by megalithic capital interests where human thought erodes the very fabric of reality. I'm not sure how much more hopeless you can possibly get than this setting.
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ChrisBTY posted:Alright (end of game spoilers) It's not clear from this post whether you've actually beaten it yet, or what content you may have missed along the way. Did you do all the church stuff? Are you asking for spoilers?
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Wafflecopper posted:It's not clear from this post whether you've actually beaten it yet, or what content you may have missed along the way. Did you do all the church stuff? Are you asking for spoilers? I did the Church stuff. Did I miss something other than 'there is a hole in the universe on this very spot and it could expand and devour us at any moment' And yes I have now beaten it. Yeah I guess I didn't phrase that very well.
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Berke Negri posted:i think you misread some things Well, my main point wasn't that Harry was a bad at being a cop or that the tangential stuff you do in the storyline doesn't ultimately factor into solving the case, but rather, that the narrative seemed to be signalling hard that being one is bad for him on pretty much every level. And makes him violent and self-destructive. And that he'd be better off starting afresh in some new career and role - in tandem with the background theme of letting go of the past. Also, AFAIK, Cuno will never trust you again if you narc on him, even if you do all the nice stuff before that point.
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PoorWeather posted:Well, my main point wasn't that Harry was a bad at being a cop or that the tangential stuff you do in the storyline doesn't ultimately factor into solving the case, but rather, that the narrative seemed to be signalling hard that being one is bad for him on pretty much every level. And makes him violent and self-destructive. And that he'd be better off starting afresh in some new career and role - in tandem with the background theme of letting go of the past. Being a cop isnt what is destroying Harry, its his relationship with his ex. His self destructive behaviour stems from the guilt and shame of not being able to meet her expectations and then spirals out of control when she leaves him and he dreams of her every night. He eventually wants to self medicate himself into a labotomy to end the cycle. It is very much likely his substance abuse started before becoming a cop.
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ChrisBTY posted:I did the Church stuff. Did I miss something other than 'there is a hole in the universe on this very spot and it could expand and devour us at any moment' And yes I have now beaten it. Did you do the cryptozoology stuff
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ChrisBTY posted:I did the Church stuff. Did I miss something other than 'there is a hole in the universe on this very spot and it could expand and devour us at any moment' And yes I have now beaten it. Did you dance and pass the shivers check? More spoilery if you don't want to save it for a replay: You can commune with the spirit of the city and it implies that good vibes can fight/reverse the expansion of the Pale and so by starting the club there you're giving Martinaise/Revachol a chance Also, what Hieronymous asked
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Wafflecopper posted:Did you dance and pass the shivers check? More spoilery if you don't want to save it for a replay:You can commune with the spirit of the city and it implies that good vibes can fight/reverse the expansion of the Pale and so by starting the club there you're giving Martinaise/Revachol a chance I did that and liked that scene up until I got so caught up in dancing that I guess I accidentally yelled a slur at Kim. I apologized though and we made up do I guess it worked out.
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Glagha posted:I did that and liked that scene up until I got so caught up in dancing that I guess I accidentally yelled a slur at Kim. I apologized though and we made up do I guess it worked out. Heated dancing moment
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I'm curious of there is going to be a GOTY edition of this coming out. When the developers were talking about localizing the game to other languages, I was thinking that would give them the chance to go through fixing the typos in the game and re-releasing it with bells and whistles.
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Wafflecopper posted:Did you dance and pass the shivers check? More spoilery if you don't want to save it for a replay: You can commune with the spirit of the city and it implies that good vibes can fight/reverse the expansion of the Pale and so by starting the club there you're giving Martinaise/Revachol a chance Dammit I tried but my composure was the in toilet and I couldn't pass the check. That puts a lot of things into perspective. Edit: Ok I backed up and did the thing It was super cool but it didn't mention anything about the pale. Probably because I wound up getting my Rhetoric up to 9 trying to open the shipping container door so I passed a godly check which diverted the conversation to 'The City' being scared. Oops ChrisBTY fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Feb 10, 2020 |
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Hokkaido Anxiety posted:Heated dancing moment Heated Shotput is next
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ChrisBTY posted:Alright (end of game spoilers) The union being able to organize and maintain, never mind how, its strike is a huge ray of hope. To Mr. Dick it looks likely that one of the more significant ports in the game world is about to take back a lot of its surplus labor. That would have an almost immediate and dramatic impact on the quality of life in Martinaise and could reignite the revolutionary spirit in all of Revachol. Also: HARDCORE HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDDDDDD CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Mr. Dick posted:never mind how It's drugs. unless that's what you were referring to
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Illegal drugs barely seem like an issue given they're treated exactly the same gameplay-wise as alcohol, which is cheap and plentiful, and the worst addicts you see are pretty much all alcoholics. Seems like a good idea to talk the raver kids out of running a drug lab, which the union might see as competition.
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That's backwards. Alcohol is treated like a drug (because it is). Also the ravers were meant to supply/sell for Evrart, iirc.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Illegal drugs barely seem like an issue given they're treated exactly the same gameplay-wise as alcohol, which is cheap and plentiful, and the worst addicts you see are pretty much all alcoholics. I think the kids are going to start manufacturing for evrart
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Anyone managed to figure out the new palerider achievement?
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itry posted:Also the ravers were meant to supply/sell for Evrart, iirc.
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chaosapiant posted:Wait, what? Does this actually come up? I haven't seen anything alluding to it in two playthroughs.
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Xander77 posted:Talk to Ancel. Which one is Ancel?
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chaosapiant posted:Which one is Ancel?
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Xander77 posted:Acel. The girl. Oh, duh. Yea I talked to her quite thoroughly I thought. Man, unlike most games, this game doesn't just have "locked" dialogue options, it has poo poo you don't even know is there until you run through again with different stats. I'm tempted to do a third run-through on Hardcore, but need to finish my newly-begun Complete Witcher Book and Game Trilogy runthrough before I commit.
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Evrart says as much, iirc.chaosapiant posted:...need to finish my newly-begun Complete Witcher Book and Game Trilogy runthrough before I commit. 
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