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The Magnum was very cool, it just wasn't well built at all.
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Tremek posted:- Porsche Panerabread Gran Turismo That made me laugh. 
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Feb 7, 2020 19:10
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The panerabread also has a cool towing capacity of 4850lb* *depending on market
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Feb 7, 2020 19:33
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I kinda like the TourX, plastic trim and all.
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Feb 7, 2020 19:38
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Darchangel posted:Don't hate the country, hate Marketing pukes that take no risks and focus group poo poo to death. The things that really make the mark are drat-the-torpedoes we're going to do it anyway stuff. Sometimes the biggest failures, too, but no one will remember that bland same-wagon you tried to make to capture some of the sales success the other brand was having with theirs. Yeah blame those marketing “pukes” and all their statistics like “take rate” and “sales figures” Blame all the mouth breathing retards on Jalopnik who were 1,000% going to buy the SS, or the Alltrack/Sportwagen, or the eleven billion models that nobody buys and gets cancelled.
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Feb 7, 2020 21:13
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Feb 7, 2020 21:31
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Most of the people bitching on the internet about how manufacturers don't make a car that fits some small niche don't buy new cars, but when one does get made and gets cancelled due to low production it is all surprisedpikachu
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Feb 7, 2020 21:35
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Yeah, people no longer buy wagons unless they are Subaru. The station wagon market is now 1.3% of new sales with 1.2% of those being Subaru.
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Feb 7, 2020 21:56
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BlackMK4 posted:Most of the people bitching on the internet about how manufacturers don't make a car that fits some small niche don't buy new cars, but when one does get made and gets cancelled due to low production it is all surprisedpikachu Oh, for sure, and that definitely makes manufacturers gunshy. Marketing then reinforces that fear. And, yes, marketing people tend to be pukes. Almost worse than Sales. Almost. I try not to me too I would totally buy that because I flat out don't have the ability to put my money where my mouth is with how much a new car costs, now. I'm still not sure how we managed to buy two new (cheap) cars over the years - I don't think I could do it now, despite both of us earning quite a bit more money. I'm probably just bad with money I am bad with money.' I want *other people to buy them new so I can buy them used, of course (which is what most of the "me too-ers" mean.) Rusty posted:Yeah, people no longer buy wagons unless they are Subaru. The station wagon market is now 1.3% of new sales with 1.2% of those being Subaru. The other 0.1% is Volvo.
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If I weren't getting laid off and I got paid a lot more I would totally buy a cool wagon like an RS6 or E63 AMG, but when the base price of the car is the same as my salary before taxes, I'm not sure how you do that. I also don't want a car payment and was too stupid to not mine Bitcoin in college on free internet and electricity. Maybe I just don't deserve nice things.
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Enos Cabell posted:Ok that is great news. The TourX ticks almost every box I'm looking at, but petty or not I crossed it off my list solely due to those wheel arches. It's literally held on with double sided tape. The front bumper piece is molded onto the bumper, but other bumpers are available that would fit it as stated. While I get not wanting to gently caress with a brand new car, it's a bit silly to totally discount it for that. I wish it didn't have the jacked up ride height as well...
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Manufacturers can make neat things and still make money, just that they want to make ALL the money, hence the Focus being killed off in the USA. People bought them, loved them, CEO change and rip, dead line. It's short sighted as hell but so is corporate America.
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My wife was 100% sold on the tour-x and we would have nabbed one but she (well, both of us) refuses to drive an automatic. They were sooo cheap for what you were getting however. I really don’t blame GM since, lets be real - manual wagon new car buyers are about .000001% of the market.
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After I got tired of looking at TourX poo poo yesterday I wandered over to the Volvo site and now I really really want a V90. Like real bad. 50k is just unobtainable though. When it's time to replace the 6 I think I'm going to look hard into used ones.
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Voltage posted:My wife was 100% sold on the tour-x and we would have nabbed one but she (well, both of us) refuses to drive an automatic. So... what'd you get instead?
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KakerMix posted:Manufacturers can make neat things and still make money, just that they want to make ALL the money, hence the Focus being killed off in the USA. People bought them, loved them, CEO change and rip, dead line. My favorite thing about the late Focus is how Ford finally brought the RS out here and marked it up so much that very few people bought it. Ford was like "see, nobody wanted it like we said!" Then they bet everything on the new Explorer, and it flopped.
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Mill Village posted:My favorite thing about the late Focus is how Ford finally brought the RS out here and marked it up so much that very few people bought it. Ford was like "see, nobody wanted it like we said!" Then they bet everything on the new Explorer, and it flopped. I thought the explorer thing was due to manufacturing issues, not lack of demand, no? E: also, holy hell e63 wagons carry a massive premium on the used market compared to sedans E2: wait they are selling the rs6 avant here? I can’t wait to not buy a new one and then complaining about the used market sucking. E3: I will complain about the used sports turismo market sucking before that, of course gvibes fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Feb 8, 2020 |
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 Now that it has all new belts, new seals, a new water pump and new tires it feels really good to put the hammer down. Ticking closer to 39,000 miles.
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KakerMix posted:
Noice
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opengl128 posted:That rules. It's the whole world unfortunately. The "estate" was cancelled in Europe, every model discontinued here. It was only really GM hubris that allowed the car to be sold here at all (and this spec was unique to AU/NZ). It is not a popular model - taking into account the Holden brand is in it's death throws, I paid about the equivalent of a low-mid spec 2WD X-trail, Tuscon or Ford Escape (to compare to what people *are* buying). I'm stoked with it so far. It's quick, handles really well, looks and sounds good, nicely put together with most of the modern techy bits (skimped in a couple of places) and is as practical as a family car could be. It's replacing a w204 series C class and compliments a small, manual Renault hot hatch and I feel I've got everything I want automotively. Makes me a bit sad that there was some obvious effort put into designing the thing and it's been mostly rejected. KakerMix posted:
Nice. My brother just lost his 90 GT to hail sadly, was a kick-arse car.
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gvibes posted:I thought the explorer thing was due to manufacturing issues, not lack of demand, no? All the desirable wagons carry premiums. Go look at 2011-2014 CTS-C wagons too and get mad. Hell even V70 Rs still carry a premium. Mill Village posted:My favorite thing about the late Focus is how Ford finally brought the RS out here and marked it up so much that very few people bought it. Ford was like "see, nobody wanted it like we said!" Then they bet everything on the new Explorer, and it flopped. Well you see it’s also kind of an unreliable crapcan so $40k was a lot of coin for something with a super plastic fantastic interior and crappy back seat and a coarse 2.3 that likes to eat head gaskets and stuff. If you want to turn people off from your brand build an unreliable performance car. See: Alfa Quadrifoglio
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Mill Village posted:My favorite thing about the late Focus is how Ford finally brought the RS out here and marked it up so much that very few people bought it. Ford was like "see, nobody wanted it like we said!" Then they bet everything on the new Explorer, and it flopped. Ford has little control of what dealers sell the car for. That's what is so annoying about the current sales model. Oem is at the mercy of lovely dealers who are usually the only ones who face customers and shape people's perception of brands. 
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KakerMix posted:
Man I love this, great pic and car
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Suburban Dad posted:Ford has little control of what dealers sell the car for. That's what is so annoying about the current sales model. Oem is at the mercy of lovely dealers who are usually the only ones who face customers and shape people's perception of brands. Ford has 100% control over how many cars they make though. Eg Ford only ever makes around 5000 GT500s a year so the prices generally stay high allowing dealers to price gouge meanwhile Fiat pumped out nearly 20,000 Hellcat challengers the first two years so after the relatively short initial rush you could easily get a deal on one.
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Photo isn’t quite grey enough. What even is that? I assume some 80s American thing that I’m not familiar with.
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AirRaid posted:Photo isn’t quite grey enough. That’s a full color photogram! The steel blue of the faded paint and the overcast sky were just a nice match. Car is an ‘85 Mazda RX-7
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Shows how much I know! I would’ve guessed some kind of Buick 
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Buick made the Reatta which looks a lot like the first gen RX-7
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Those cars don't look anything alike...
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They do not. There’s a secret missing link here. It’s that I am an idiot. 
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Q_res posted:Those cars don't look anything alike... They have a lot of surface similarities. From this angle: - 2 door - sloping rear glass - full width rear light elements from the front: popupsssss
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AirRaid posted:They do not. There’s a secret missing link here. gently caress I can't believe I just  'd myself...
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Q_res posted:gently caress I can't believe I just We've all been there. And the pinstripe on that Reatta is even more horrid than pinstripes usually are.
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Darchangel posted:Don't hate the country, hate Marketing pukes that take no risks and focus group poo poo to death. The things that really make the mark are drat-the-torpedoes we're going to do it anyway stuff. Sometimes the biggest failures, too, but no one will remember that bland same-wagon you tried to make to capture some of the sales success the other brand was having with theirs. No, hate this country. If they can only sell half as many wagons as they need to cover the homolgation costs, then they stop bothering with the hassle of homologating a wagon variant. This argument is pretty boring but there’s plenty of evidence that people want to buy these kinds of vehicles second-hand, but no one wants to buy one new.
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drgitlin posted:This argument is pretty boring but there’s plenty of evidence that people want to buy these kinds of vehicles second-hand, but no one wants to buy one new. Decommed Chevy SS police cruisers are becoming one of the cheapest LS-equiped cars around here. The local police love theirs but they don't have much commonality with the rest of the fleet (these guys bought a bit of everything, too). They might have done better making them wagons, as Tahoes seem to be the preferred replacement. Too late now.
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madeintaipei posted:Decommed Chevy SS police cruisers are becoming one of the cheapest LS-equiped cars around here. The local police love theirs but they don't have much commonality with the rest of the fleet (these guys bought a bit of everything, too). They might have done better making them wagons, as Tahoes seem to be the preferred replacement. Too late now. Those probably aren’t Chevy SSes... Are you talking about the Commodore VE-based Caprice PPV?  The PPV had V6 options and also a 6.0L V8, but a far less sophisticated suspension, a vastly shittier interior (yes I know but it’s shittier on both a relative and absolute scale) and is based on the previous generation Commodore, whereas the Chevy SS was based on the VF Commodore, only had the 6.2L LS3 and made a lot more power, had the option of magnetorheological shocks, could be optioned with a 6 speed manual, and was shorter in overall length than the PPV. Significantly different car even if superficially they look similar.
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:After I got tired of looking at TourX poo poo yesterday I wandered over to the Volvo site and now I really really want a V90. Like real bad. 50k is just unobtainable though. When it's time to replace the 6 I think I'm going to look hard into used ones. I want an XC90 V8 because... V8. It sounds glorious. It's actually a Yamaha, of course. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSDtrCxpKKI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjet5eCY0Ik I'm sure it's a maintenance nightmare. It's a transverse V8. fake edit: I just learned grabbing those videos that they crammed it into the S80, too. Fake edit2: Oh, dammit, there's an '07 XC90 V8 on Craigslist for $3500. AirRaid posted:Shows how much I know! I would’ve guessed some kind of Buick Alright, now you look here, buddy! Them's fightin' words. RADL, assemble! drgitlin posted:This argument is pretty boring but there’s plenty of evidence that people want to buy these kinds of vehicles second-hand, but no one wants to buy one new. That I will agree with, but that's probably largely due to the ridiculously high cost of vehicles in general compared to stagnating wages, as pointed out by someone in another thread. I'd *love* to buy a new Stinger, or that Tour X, for example, but I don't know how I would do it, and I and my wife make what I would consider decent but not amazing money (just over 4 figures combined.) I herd around used junk instead, which works out, because I can fix things.
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Tremek posted:Those probably aren’t Chevy SSes... Are you talking about the Commodore VE-based Caprice PPV? Did not know that! God, GM didn't even try this time around. Amusingly, it didn't take a month before one of our cops wrecked whatever Chevys they bought. The thing sat on a rack above the fence at the local wrecking yard for a while after that, still wearing police livery.
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drgitlin posted:No, hate this country. If they can only sell half as many wagons as they need to cover the homolgation costs, then they stop bothering with the hassle of homologating a wagon variant. Here’s my hot take: buying new cars today is a terrible financial choice, so people smart enough about cars to choose good ones are also smart enough to buy used, unless they have so much money that a car is basically a frivolous choice. So almost all reasonably priced new cars are designed to appeal to people who are too dumb to buy used, except for high-end luxury-sport toys. (And of course plenty of expensive cars are also terrible, but the proportion isn’t so close to 100%.) In effect, we’ve appointed our worst buyers to be our tastemakers.
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