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Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

MRC48B posted:

The idea is to make a big enough scene that the management company is obliged to cough up and fix it.

The OP's problem is the complex management is too loving cheap to pay for a service call.

This. Even if the authorities aren't the right ones, they yell louder than anyone else, especially if they can come in and say, "This isn't my thing to fix, but poo poo is WAY UNSAFE right now."

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MRC48B
Apr 2, 2012

I'm sorry if you would consider such a callout a waste of Department time, but the threat of FD disapproval is often the last authority stick we can use to get building managers to do their loving jobs properly.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках
Yeah. The city can actually do useful things like declare a space unfit for habitation, which is a requirement for most renters' insurance companies to pay for someone to stay elsewhere and/or for people to break their lease due to unsafe living conditions.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Tiny Lowtax posted:

Don’t call the FD. I work for a large FD and we have no control over these situations, only businesses. All we could do is cut power to whatever is causing the heat, then advise you to call a certified plumber/electrician/HVAC specialist or whatever, or have you contact your landlord.

Lies.

mostlygray
Nov 1, 2012

BURY ME AS I LIVED, A FREE MAN ON THE CLUTCH

Senor Tron posted:

So the best case scenario here is a whole heap of rats right?

No rats in Bemidji. Too cold. I'm fairly certain that, whatever it was, it had no name. I am certain that it could speak though. It spoke to him a a tongue long since forgotten and told him of his doom. This was where the old Gods live. Drawn from well below the earth.

mostlygray
Nov 1, 2012

BURY ME AS I LIVED, A FREE MAN ON THE CLUTCH

Computer viking posted:

Jesus, 100C hot ceiling? I'd be worried about something breaking and literally boiling me alive; that's "sleep in a store room at work" bad.

I lived in an apartment with hot water heat a decade or so ago. The controls for temp were disconnected. Even when it was -20f outside, our apartment was about 95f inside. It was absurd. Our windows were also screwed shut so you couldn't open the window. I had to run the A/C wall unit in our bedroom to get it cool enough to sleep. It was OK during the day, the Super just liked to crank the heat up at night for some reason.

You'd think they'd let us be cold to save money but their theory was to just run full tilt heat all the time. The fire alarm also went off during the night constantly. It wasn't kids messing with the alarms, they were just lovely alarms. The 3 months I lived there felt like 3 years.

Suspect Bucket
Jan 15, 2012

SHRIMPDOR WAS A MAN
I mean, HE WAS A SHRIMP MAN
er, maybe also A DRAGON
or possibly
A MINOR LEAGUE BASEBALL TEAM
BUT HE WAS STILL
SHRIMPDOR

mostlygray posted:

No rats in Bemidji. Too cold. I'm fairly certain that, whatever it was, it had no name. I am certain that it could speak though. It spoke to him a a tongue long since forgotten and told him of his doom. This was where the old Gods live. Drawn from well below the earth.

Oh, that's Ricky the house spirit. He's a multidimensional being that inhabits the dark corners of every home. Hates dust, really likes when you vaccum under the couch to tidy up. He gets feisty sometimes is all.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

Tiny Lowtax posted:

Don’t call the FD. I work for a large FD and we have no control over these situations, only businesses. All we could do is cut power to whatever is causing the heat, then advise you to call a certified plumber/electrician/HVAC specialist or whatever, or have you contact your landlord.

Their specific goal is to get the boiler red-tagged. You fine folks can do that if the thing looks like it's going to explode. The building has already shown their cards of not being willing to fix it, and it's not like thetenants are being dramatic that the neighbors have their heat turned up too high, it's literally too hot to touch their walls.

crazypeltast52
May 5, 2010



mostlygray posted:

No rats in Bemidji. Too cold. I'm fairly certain that, whatever it was, it had no name. I am certain that it could speak though. It spoke to him a a tongue long since forgotten and told him of his doom. This was where the old Gods live. Drawn from well below the earth.

Alternatively the original owners of the house made a diy native burial ground down there. Because Bemidji and shittiness to natives.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002
i think the real card to play is to call the insurance company for the property owner and tell them what's going on, i bet they would lean really hard on the owner

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
I know a lot of us are saying "call call call" but if you're going to do that game you should start communicating in writing or on recorded calls according to whatever's legal in your area. Don't just talk to the landlord, create recorded conversations so that if poo poo does hit the fan the trail is clearly there: this landlord delayed on the issue and is culpable.

Calling the FD out will likely create some form of record from the FD, especially if they decided to switch something off.

Calling the insurer would also create some paperwork.

Creating a recorded conversation with the landlord first before doing this would show that you aren't just being a dick, you needed to escalate this to other agencies.

Anyway I'm really enjoying being an armchair tenant but let's get some more construction stories in here.

Azza Bamboo fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Feb 8, 2020

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


Water leaks are strange. I've had water pouring through a floor/ceiling then down through the floor below but the plasterboard be fine beyond the joints once dry, but if you have a slow drip under a bath or something it can utterly gently caress the entire place by the time you notice because the areas been wet for longer.

Also the other weird thing is why the stains from water damage are yellow, I guess there's something else aside from dust and crap that gets carried through.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
My basement drains in my neighbor's back yard, and he has glued a cap on it. (self.legaladvice)

quote:

Sorry for the long story, but I don't know how to tl;dr this and have it still make sense.

I have a historic house, built in the 1830's in the small town of Westerlo NY. My house has a band-aid stone foundation, and as such it has water seep in from rainfall and melting snow. There is a pipe that drains the water from my basement. It goes out the front of my house, crosses a state highway, runs through my neighbors property, and drains into a creek on the backside of his house. Our houses are face to face, about 100' between them, and again the pipe goes from front of my house to back of his.

My previous neighbor had said the drain line smells. So I flush it out if water seems to slow down, and do the best I could to keep that from happening. Code enforcement told me that that is legally/reslistically all I could do.

Fast forward, new guy moves in, and caps the pipe. He claimed that he didn't know what it was for, and that it smelled bad, so he just decided to cap a drain line with running water and hope for the best. I only found out when I found close to 6 inches of water in the basement.

The first time this happened about a month ago, I took the cap off because the water was getting high enough to threaten my water heater and boiler. When I talked to the neighbor later the conversation ended by both of us agreeing to research "mutually agreeable alternatives."

So today my fiance calls and tells me the basement is flooding again and that there is another cap on it. After back and forth between town, city, code enforcement, and with the sherriffs office, (someone), ended up cutting the cap off so the basement could drain. On our final visit from the sherriffs office, I was told that we are trespassed from going over there and removing any cap or doing anything with the pipe, that the neighbor has had the Department of Environmental Control out there, who conveniently says that it tested positive for E-coli, and that I have to sit back and figure something else out while I watch my basement flood.

Really cool and cooperative guy to not even talk to me about it by the way. And if I were to believe it it's also pretty sweet that the states Dept. Of Environmental control found E-coli and didn't tell me anything about it. Thanks guys.

I have spoken with the town, the city, the highway authority, and code enforcement, and every one of those agencies says one of the others is responsible, there is nothing they can do, and that this is a civil matter. I work construction, and have spoken to many coworkers and contractors about possible alternatives to fixing this problem. However, it is winter, there is ice and snow on the ground, and the edge of the creek where the pipe drains is low and steep enough that noone will go near it right now.

I'm in no way negating the severity of potentially having E-coli contamination, but I also have trouble believing it. There is nothing but clean rainwater draining through the pipe., I make sure of it. If that is in fact true, then something absolutely needs to be done about it. The other end is in my effing basement.

Questions:
  • What right does this guy have to block a drain line that has been there since before either of us moved in?
  • What responsibility do I realistically have in moving the pipe, even though it crosses under a state highway and someone else's back yard?
  • Where the hell do I even start if I need to take this to court? I work construction, I'm told I'm good at it but that doesn't mean I'm smart enough to take the place of a lawyer. To my understanding if you want to sue someone it has to be for a dollar amount, not for the right to let my pipe drain. So theoretically, he could cap it and damage my house all he wants if he pays to fix it, which in itself is madness that doesn't make sense to me either.
  • Wtf am I supposed to do now? I've reached out to the DEC to try and get a copy of the water test, but now it's late on a Friday and they don't open until Monday. I don't know what else to do beyond that, not even where to start.
  • If I do need to go to court, and I do need to get a lawyer, can I sue for my lawyers fees? Im a single income family of 7, and I just moved my mother up from Florida out of a bad situation, so I very simply can't see how I'm going to bend myself even further to pull that off. But I have to figure out a way to do it now I guess.
  • Does anyone have an aspirin to help with this massive headache after banging my head against the wall from all this madness?
If you've read this much, thank you. I do think part of me really needed to just vent at this point, but any guidance, information, or advice would be greatly appreciated.

OP answers many questions here.

Why doesn’t OP use a sump pump to send the water down the municipal sewer pipe?

Their house has a septic system, but it would be illegal to discharge to the sewer anyway. Not that I wouldn’t do it in an emergency.

The neighbour also has a leach field in the vicinity. No points will be granted for guessing where the e. coli is coming from.

Why doesn’t OP sump and discharge to somewhere short of the property line?

There is apparently nowhere suitable to do it.

peanut
Sep 9, 2007


ps Aspirin doesn't work very well

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006
That guy better hope he has an easement, but it sounds like it would be way cheaper to figure out a way for it to drain locally. I can't imagine trying to clean or repair that line with a freaking road and wetland involved.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Sounds like it's time to dig one hell of a rain garden

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
Is it possible to concrete the basement and seal it in?

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


Azza Bamboo posted:

Is it possible to concrete the basement and seal it in?

Concrete isn’t waterproof, and if it were, making a boat hull out of your foundation and hoping the water opts to go somewhere else just because it can’t get inside is one of the least good ideas.

Mynameismud
Jul 12, 2009
It can be.
Buy your concrete boat here
https://herculesfc.nl/en/concrete-shells/

kid sinister
Nov 16, 2002

Did the brain damage happen before or after thinking bitcoin was a good idea?

wesleywillis
Dec 30, 2016

SUCK A MALE CAMEL'S DICK WITH MIRACLE WHIP!!

kid sinister posted:

Did the brain damage happen before or after thinking bitcoin was a good idea?

Yes.

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

Another fine example of Mid-Century Mistake design
The kitchen is actually pretty nice in terms of layout but good lord that wallpaper

I was expecting more carpet tbh, maybe they pulled it out at some point

Apparently people used to wallpaper their bathroom vanities??


And of cours there's the wood paneling



This house is in LA so it sold for $1.275 million in 2018 and is probably a white void boxmansion now.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
I stayed at this hotel a few times in Anaheim. It was older, used to be apartments. They had this awesome saltillo tile throughout.

Last time I stayed there they had painted over the tiles in this awful grey paint :barf:

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Doesn't having a shower with no screen cause water to go everywhere?

I mean, unless the water pressure is incredibly lovely.

LordSaturn
Aug 12, 2007

sadly unfunny

Youth Decay posted:

a white void boxmansion now.

this is the only crappy construction in this post. vaya con dios, you homely adonis

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



Megillah Gorilla posted:

Doesn't having a shower with no screen cause water to go everywhere?

Based on the condition of that wallpaper, I’d say: yes.

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."




BraveUlysses posted:

i think the real card to play is to call the insurance company for the property owner and tell them what's going on, i bet they would lean really hard on the owner

The fact that insurance companies are likely to be the ones to actually act in situations like this is why the last thread title about the cyberpunk dystopia was so appropriate.

peanut
Sep 9, 2007


First picture (kitchen) and last picture (den) absolutely WOULD

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004


Youth Decay posted:

Apparently people used to wallpaper their bathroom vanities??

Just wait til you see what's *inside* the drawers.

Jows
May 8, 2002

Youth Decay posted:

Another fine example of Mid-Century Mistake design
The kitchen is actually pretty nice in terms of layout but good lord that wallpaper



My parents' house had wallpaper VERY similar to that up (yellowed further with 30+ years of cigarette smoke) until I tore it all down (and the wallpaper behind that, and the wallpaper behind that, and the wallpaper behind that) in 2010 and replaced it with my mother's choice of a "southwestern style" paintjob (the house is in Illinois). At least it's just paint right now - she can't afford to get the turquoise backsplash she really wants :barf: . Even if she could.... I think it would still be an improvement.

xergm
Sep 8, 2009

The Moon is for Sissies!

Youth Decay posted:

The kitchen is actually pretty nice in terms of layout but good lord that wallpaper ceilingpaper

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004


ceilingpaper above the shower, too

Methylethylaldehyde
Oct 23, 2004

BAKA BAKA

Jaded Burnout posted:

ceilingpaper above the shower, too

Having removed ceiling paper before, FUCKKKKKK THAT.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

Methylethylaldehyde posted:

Having removed ceiling paper before, FUCKKKKKK THAT.

You gotta get the special tool:

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004


H110Hawk posted:

You gotta get the special tool:



nah m8

Ornamental Dingbat
Feb 26, 2007

Youth Decay posted:


And of cours there's the wood paneling

Is that a water damaged drop ceiling at the very top?

The Chairman
Jun 30, 2003

But you forget, mon ami, that there is evil everywhere under the sun

Ornamental Dingbat posted:

Is that a water damaged drop ceiling at the very top?

I think it's just a water damaged regular ceiling, with very obvious paper seams

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

Methylethylaldehyde posted:

Having removed ceiling paper before, FUCKKKKKK THAT.

IIRC a common recommendation is to just hang 1/4" drywall over it and pretend if never happened.

Ask me about trying to remove wallpaper in my house and finding out it was 4+ layers of wallpaper over painted wallpaper, and the end result was to expose a bunch of crumbling plaster I now need to repair. Actually, don't ask, I'm still mad.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Ashcans posted:

IIRC a common recommendation is to just hang 1/4" drywall over it and pretend if never happened.

Ask me about trying to remove wallpaper in my house and finding out it was 4+ layers of wallpaper over painted wallpaper, and the end result was to expose a bunch of crumbling plaster I now need to repair. Actually, don't ask, I'm still mad.

Putting new wallpaper on the old one is okay because it'll be easy to pull them all off as long as the first layer was hung correctly (and it's also fascinating to do this in an old apartment where the oldest layer could be half a century old or more). But anyone caught putting wallpaper directly on drywall or any other material without a coat of latex paint between them should do jail time.

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The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Ornamental Dingbat posted:

Is that a water damaged drop ceiling at the very top?

doesn't matter it has a chandelier

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