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Z the IVth posted:Pray it doesn't get loose in the HoP or we're going to be having a lot of by-elections. Didn't know our MPs spent so much time in the House of Pancakes.
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forkboy84 posted:I'm getting pretty scared he actually believes this is a viable idea. Doubt it. Again, I think they are just filling the news cycles with anything but
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Feb 10, 2020 16:42
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A tunnel so long and so deep it has to surface in the middle of loch neagh
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Feb 10, 2020 16:48
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We should dig out (literally) those machines that drilled the tunnel, and just make massive underground train tracks to every country within reach.
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Feb 10, 2020 16:59
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Conversely though the death rate for those known to be infected is plummeting as the sample size gets larger and less self-selecting - that is, in the early days, it appeared to be highly fatal because it was only being tested for in people already in hospital with secondary pneumonia (who in turn were often those with other pre-existing conditions). It's still 20x as deadly as most flu strains at optimistic numbers - a big blow when it's as infectious as it appears, even if that means only 2% of people die from it.
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Feb 10, 2020 17:01
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Strom Cuzewon posted:We should dig out (literally) those machines that drilled the tunnel, and just make massive underground train tracks to every country within reach.  In a brave new wooooorld!
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Feb 10, 2020 17:09
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Saith posted:Oh man, I guess Pratchett was wrong, and Pestilence is making a comeback. Yup *dies of starvation after exhausting Brexit stash a couple of weeks in*. Wait, I think there was a flaw in this plan. I've gotta say I'm a LIIITTLE concerned, but I'm not as concerned as the news is making out, and mostly for my wife rather than myself, who whilst not immunocompromised is definitely more vulnerable to chest infections than most people.
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Feb 10, 2020 17:19
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Miftan posted:To be honest with you, after 2019 I'm really skeptical that the ground game actually makes a difference. At least the door knocking aspect. Community events and help on a regular basis probably does, but we don't do enough of that and knocking on someone's door two weeks before an election just isn't cutting through and drowning out everything the media can do. There was a blog posted here around New Year about a CLP who deliberately avoided door knocking and instead had a bunch of simple but effect ideas to reach the public, such as having a regular presence on the high street. They were one of a handful of Labour constituencies to see an increase in vote share, so yeah I definitely think it's something to look into further.
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xtothez posted:There was a blog posted here around New Year about a CLP who deliberately avoided door knocking and instead had a bunch of simple but effect ideas to reach the public, such as having a regular presence on the high street. They were one of a handful of Labour constituencies to see an increase in vote share, so yeah I definitely think it's something to look into further. Isle of Wight, I remember it well. https://disidealist.wordpress.com/2019/12/16/notes-from-the-cult-it-was-the-campaign-wot-didnt-won-it/
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Feb 10, 2020 17:24
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Efficient door knocking is premised on the idea you can't change minds much and that one's main hope is turnout - that if you just ask people who are willing to consider voting Labour to actually show up, they will feel significantly more obliged to show up, and those few percentage points will move the needle for you It's very much turnout oriented; the idea that you change hostile minds with a 15 minute conversation is assumed to zero or thereabouts (probably negative given that you will motivate them to show up to vote adversarially) It's perpetually tempting to flee to high-concept theories of mass ideology and political consciousness, but in a politics where rainfall is known to substantially alter turnouts, it's perhaps a little more akin to thinking up ways to persuade more people to show up and donate blood, mechanically speaking. Appeals to life-altering impacts of mass politics seem to wilt in the face of getting wet, so clearly it's other things putting marginal votes in the box
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Feb 10, 2020 17:31
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Nothingtoseehere posted:It's still 20x as deadly as most flu strains at optimistic numbers - a big blow when it's as infectious as it appears, even if that means only 2% of people die from it. 20x seems *very* high given the mortality rate for an average flu season is about 1% (obviously almost all of those are from people with other conditions), and so far at least it seems considerably less contagious than the flu. Like I say, people absolutely are going to die from it, over and above those that will die of flu and all the other nasties of a winter, but a few people seem to think that this is going to be somewhere between Spanish Flu and the T-virus, and it's useful to put things into perspective for them.
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thespaceinvader posted:Yup If survival crafting games have taught me anything, it's that however rancid a piece of meat is, if you stick it on a campfire for 5 minutes, it's good to eat. What I'm saying is, we might yet get a chance to eat the rich.
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Feb 10, 2020 17:48
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Pretty sure eating coronavirus infected rich people is how you create a worse doomsday scenario. You'd get, like, turbocapitalist kuru.
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Feb 10, 2020 17:50
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Maybe. Or maybe I'd inherit their supernatural powers over the Free Market. Maybe I'd finally be able to turn the world into an anime like God intended. Listen. I'm TRYING to put a positive spin on this okay?
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Feb 10, 2020 17:59
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goddamnedtwisto posted:so far at least it seems considerably less contagious than the flu. Initial estimates are it being an order of magnitude more contagious, it's just that the efforts to mitigate contagion have been effective. Obviously it's hard to tell mid-epidemic.
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Feb 10, 2020 18:00
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Tesseraction posted:Initial estimates are it being an order of magnitude more contagious, it's just that the efforts to mitigate contagion have been effective. Obviously it's hard to tell mid-epidemic. I thought that while it was more immediately contagious, it didn't seem to hang around on surfaces and skin the same way? Anyway: https://twitter.com/andrewgregory/status/1226911353853575168 This is probably fine.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I thought that while it was more immediately contagious, it didn't seem to hang around on surfaces and skin the same way? This is how democracy dies, with thunderous baton beatings for brown people when they have a cold.
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Feb 10, 2020 18:02
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Put your hands where I can see them! *man at gunpoint coughs without covering his mouth* HE'S TRYING TO SPREAD IT TO US *gunshots ring out*
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Feb 10, 2020 18:03
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*cop sniffles* OFFICER DOWN! OFFICER DOWN!
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Feb 10, 2020 18:12
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I'm a pretty heavy smoker and I just realised I haven't had a coughing fit in days. I wonder if I could sell my blood?
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Feb 10, 2020 18:13
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Am I mistaken or is coronavirus not actually that deadly unless you're sick or old or young? I thought the issue was a morbidity thing rather than a mortality one? I'm fairly unconcerned. Maybe I should be?? E: forgot to refresh thread!
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ThomasPaine posted:Am I mistaken or is coronavirus not actually that deadly unless you're sick or old or young? I thought the issue was a morbidity thing rather than a mortality one? I'm fairly unconcerned. Maybe I should be?? I got bad news quote:Many of those who contract coronavirus will experience only mild symptoms, and most people are expected to make a full recovery.
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Feb 10, 2020 18:41
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Yeah they always say that about diabetes but I don't buy it if you're otherwise healthy and know how to respond, I reckon they conflate types 1 and 2 and ofc a huge percentage of the latter are desperately unwell people
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Feb 10, 2020 18:44
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Ok good. It'll probably shake out no worse than a seasonal flu then. To be honest i never even paid attention to swine flu and that killed a fuckload of people, so I'm probably only concerned because I'm watching it
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Feb 10, 2020 18:47
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My partner got swine flu and she was fine but said it was pretty poo poo lol
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Feb 10, 2020 18:49
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I'm down with building the Eiffel Tower. 
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Jippa posted:I'm down with building the Eiffel Tower. should be easy, they're not even going near the munitions! :gammonsay:
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Feb 10, 2020 18:54
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Does that not mean you've got... like... 5km long suspension cables? For reference the entire golden gate bridge is 1.6km long... The largest single span bridge in the world is apparently in japan, suspension, and is 2km wide across the center span. As opposed to.... like 15km? That's a bridge literally an order of magnitude larger than anything else built in the world. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Feb 10, 2020 |
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Julio Cruz posted:should be easy, they're not even going near the munitions! :gammonsay: Just detonate the munitions to get rid of the water and then you can walk it
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Feb 10, 2020 18:59
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something something superior British engineering knowledge
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Feb 10, 2020 19:02
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We're gonna dig up Isambard Kingdom Brunel. He'll bridge the gently caress out of that gap.
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Feb 10, 2020 19:03
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He's not that tall, I've seen the statue.
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OwlFancier posted:Does that not mean you've got... like... 5km long suspension cables? Need to do something to keep people employed post-Brexit.
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Feb 10, 2020 19:05
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He might but he'd do it by building an arch out of cast iron stacked together like timbers, which presumably means the bridge would need to be about twenty miles tall and terminate somewhere near Inverness and Cork. On the plus side you'd alleviate the question of UK access to the GPS system because you'd just be able to figure out where you are anywhere in western europe by looking at the bridge.
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OwlFancier posted:He might but he'd do it by building an arch out of cast iron stacked together like timbers, which presumably means the bridge would need to be about twenty miles tall and terminate somewhere near Inverness and Cork. On the plus side you'd alleviate the question of UK access to the GPS system because you'd just be able to figure out where you are anywhere in western europe by looking at the bridge. Brunel wasn't Abraham Darby, the Clifton and Prince Albert bridges (and the Maidenhead Viaduct for that matter) are some serious loving engineering that went way beyond what anyone thought was possible with the materials of the time. If you gave him access to modern computers and metallurgy he'd probably come up with some poo poo you wouldn't believe. Also his habit of going ridiculously over-budget would put him right up with all the "best" civil engineers in the world at the moment.
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Also the towers on the 2km bridge are nearly 300m tall already, so... you're gonna do a span like eight times longer without making the bridge any taller? So it's literally gonna look like: 
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Feb 10, 2020 19:12
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Jippa posted:I'm down with building the Eiffel Tower. See, this is another argument for the bridge to the Mull of Kintyre: shorter, not having to go across an munitions & nuclear waste dump, & it'd give some long overdue spending on the road & transport infrastructure between that remote part of Scotland & civilisation. Make it a double bridge so it does rail & road, hell, make it a high speed train while you're at it. You could put in further bridges across Loch Fyne from Tarbert to Portvadie, then maybe from Tighnabruich to Bute, then you could hop from Bute to Great Cumbrae to Largs or from Bute back to the mainland at Knockdow and then another from Dunoon across to near Gourock. I mean if we're fantasy-booking an infrastructure project that isn't going to happen at least end up with a positive like making it possible to ignore the Rest & Be Thankful for as many people as possible because it's a hellroad
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Joined Labour (Bath, feel free to update the CLP list!) just before the election, and tonight I'm finally going to my first meeting... which happens to be the CLP nomination meeting. Zero idea what to expect.
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OwlFancier posted:Does that not mean you've got... like... 5km long suspension cables? Bung a bob for a Big Bridge!
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