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Xombie posted:Counterpoint: letting Pete have a win doesn't help Bernie in any way. There is no "Bernie is the frontrunner" narrative until he has a state called in his favor. Disputing it also doesn't help. It sucks, but the thing to do is move on and win NH and NV convincingly.
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Chinese Gordon posted:Disputing it also doesn't help. It sucks, but the thing to do is move on and win NH and NV convincingly. I might agree with this if there weren't well-documented and highly public errors that even the New York Times is reporting on. If the errors were more obscure then calling for a recanvass might look like sore loser behavior, but given that even mainstream media are willing to report on the still-uncorrected errors, I don't think it looks that way.
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Feb 10, 2020 18:01
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Brony Car posted:A lesbian couple living next door to me thought I was crazy when I told them I was leaning towards Bernie. Literal Klob Goblins 
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Feb 10, 2020 18:02
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Harrow posted:I might agree with this if there weren't well-documented and highly public errors that even the New York Times is reporting on. If the errors were more obscure then calling for a recanvass might look like sore loser behavior, but given that even mainstream media are willing to report on the still-uncorrected errors, I don't think it looks that way. some of the mainstream media. some of them have been more than happy to declare unequivocally that butt won uncontested.
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Feb 10, 2020 18:05
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Cowcaster posted:some of the mainstream media. some of them have been more than happy to declare unequivocally that butt won uncontested. Isn't that just CNN at this point?
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Feb 10, 2020 18:07
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https://twitter.com/JordanChariton/status/1226639109583667203 Rat staff: black person with press credentials? Must be a mistake
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Feb 10, 2020 18:08
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Keeping the narrative that the DNC and The Rat are trying to steal this election in the news is a good and effective strategy. There is no momentum to be gained from Iowa at this point anyway. Doing this while crushing New Hampshire and Super Tuesday is even better.
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Feb 10, 2020 18:09
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amaru_chulla posted:Literal Klob Goblins A well-respected member of my local community just started sharing Hoarse Whisperer unironically and I'm very disappoint  Also a Bloomberg office just opened up in town and started plunking Mike 2020 signs everywhere downtown. I need to buy Bernie signs and pepper the highway with them...
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Feb 10, 2020 18:11
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Brony Car posted:An extra-annoying side effect for me if that I found out that people are apparently still praising the Contras. How will Bernie win without the rape-those-nuns vote
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Feb 10, 2020 18:12
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Chinese Gordon posted:Disputing it also doesn't help. It sucks, but the thing to do is move on and win NH and NV convincingly. Assigning some lawyers to fight this doesn’t meaningfully prevent the Bernie campaign from moving forward. The nice thing about our insane media environment is that no one will care about the recount.
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Feb 10, 2020 18:13
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novaSphere posted:A well-respected member of my local community just started sharing Hoarse Whisperer unironically and I'm very disappoint Remember, if they are public land, you can take them down.
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Feb 10, 2020 18:14
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Fun to watch all the anti Bernie types itt switch to "he can't win the general!" style concern trolling now that they realize Bernie Will Win
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Feb 10, 2020 18:15
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this bloomberg ad is so gross. https://youtu.be/WYW6Efw8b5U
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Kreeblah posted:Lib Dems winning here. Seriously all I see here is CLEGGMENTUM circa 2010
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Feb 10, 2020 18:15
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Harrow posted:Isn't that just CNN at this point? Just CNN, which had gone completely mask off.
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Feb 10, 2020 18:16
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Paradoxish posted:You can't win a primary against a single opponent with 25-30% of the vote. What you're actually saying here is that we'd lose if we were facing a single establishment candidate with even moderate popularity. Meh, a bunch of the centrists are pretending to be him to get low-info voters tho. It's silly to assume that say Elizabeth Warren or Cream of Pete would get 75% of the vote if Biden and Klob and Yang and Steyer dropped out, and they had to compare their policies to his directly. Biden and Klob are the only ones running on "gently caress you we're not doing any of that poo poo America" and they're getting owned. If centrism is so popular why are they only getting 25-30% of the vote combined.
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VitalSigns posted:Cream of Pete goddamn
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I'm having trouble understanding why people think the DNC would purposefully lose the 2020 election, ensuring they are disenfranchised for a generation when Trump gets to place another justice or two and the state capitals all stay in GOP hands on a redistricting year, just to prove they were right that bernie couldn't beat trump in 2016. This is next level tin foil hat bullshit.
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They won't be disenfranchised. They and their dipshit children will still get six-figure sinecures at all the right nonprofits while they act as the Republicans' controlled opposition. You're talking as if any of these people got into politics to advance some kind of ethical vision for what the world should be like, which is naive.
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Feb 10, 2020 18:20
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It's not purposefully losing the election. They haven't learned anything from 2016, and they are simply assuming that any democratic challenger to Trump will win. They are wrong.
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 Dietrich posted:I'm having trouble understanding why people think the DNC would purposefully lose the 2020 election, ensuring they are disenfranchised for a generation when Trump gets to place another justice or two and the state capitals all stay in GOP hands on a redistricting year, just to prove they were right that bernie couldn't beat trump in 2016. For most people inside the Democratic party, including consultants, 501c3s, and the like, there are stronger incentives for maintaining their place within the party hierarchy than for being the majority party. For many of them, they're more interested in winning elections for how it advances their career than for advancing the party. Their interests are not all that well aligned with Bernie winning the presidency. That being said, I think they do still have an interest in making sure the party is not completely shut out of power for good, and letting the Republicans win in 2020 has really devastating implications even for party hacks. Flip Yr Wig fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Feb 10, 2020 |
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Dietrich posted:I'm having trouble understanding why people think the DNC would purposefully lose the 2020 election, ensuring they are disenfranchised for a generation when Trump gets to place another justice or two and the state capitals all stay in GOP hands on a redistricting year, just to prove they were right that bernie couldn't beat trump in 2016. DNC is a managed opposition OP. They can grift just as hard when they are powerless as they can when they have power, and they don't even have to manufacture excuses for why they don't have to do anything.
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Feb 10, 2020 18:21
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Dietrich posted:I'm having trouble understanding why people think the DNC would purposefully lose the 2020 election, ensuring they are disenfranchised for a generation when Trump gets to place another justice or two and the state capitals all stay in GOP hands on a redistricting year, just to prove they were right that bernie couldn't beat trump in 2016. 1) the moneyed interests that own the DNC will themselves be better off under a Trump admin than a Sanders and 2) the rEsiStAnCe grifters would love nothing more than to be a permanent opposition party so they can keep selling books
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Feb 10, 2020 18:22
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Halloween Jack posted:They won't be disenfranchised. They and their dipshit children will still get six-figure sinecures at all the right nonprofits while they act as the Republicans' controlled opposition. I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure grifting is more lucrative when you can actually do something for your backers.
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oxsnard posted:yup. Probably explains the poll leaking guy on twitter melting down What is this guy's twitter handle?
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tigersklaw posted:Seriously all I see here is CLEGGMENTUM circa 2010 They both follow an Orange Bible. 
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oxsnard posted:this bloomberg ad is so gross. IDK why "I stood next to Obama a few times" is supposed to work better when Bloomberg does it than it has for Biden.
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Wax Dynasty posted:What is this guy's twitter handle? https://twitter.com/ArjavRawal/status/1226682082430078976?s=20
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From a few pages ago but I thought I heard something about her dad being on the Washington Post Insurance committee and that is why she is shook about Bernie. I could be wrong tho. I didn't grab the details when it came up in the stream.
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Dietrich posted:I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure grifting is more lucrative when you can actually do something for your backers. Not really.. For a lot of them, they’ll be less employed under Bernie than Trump. Especially since Bernie’s administration wouldn’t be filled with the same grifters as usual. At least if Trump is president you can rely on the same DNC et al grift pipelines as right now.
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Dietrich posted:I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure grifting is more lucrative when you can actually do something for your backers. By the time they'd lose their safest seats, climate catastrophe will have killed off most of their voters anyway, and they'll be the guy in Elysium tut-tutting about how it will hurt the economy if you kill too many of the slaves.
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Dietrich posted:I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure grifting is more lucrative when you can actually do something for your backers. They can though They can pass huge military spending increases and Wall Street deregulation
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Dietrich posted:I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure grifting is more lucrative when you can actually do something for your backers. Their backers are the rich and doing gently caress all suits them fine
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donut twitter is a blast rn https://twitter.com/pavanvan/status/1226906160797753344?s=20
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Feb 10, 2020 18:31
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Yeah, the main thing they do for their backers is just continuing to exist as a nominally left-wing party, so that all left-wing energy gets lured into the Comet Ping-Pong and Pizza basement so it can be sacrificed on the altar of finance capital.
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This discussion about establishment grifters makes me curious -- is the government (plus democratic establishment) more bloated with bureaucracy now than it will be after Sanders takes office? Meaning that the socialist candidate will ironically have the impact of reducing the size of government?
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Feb 10, 2020 18:33
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Trabisnikof posted:Not really.. For a lot of them, they’ll be less employed under Bernie than Trump. Especially since Bernie’s administration wouldn’t be filled with the same grifters as usual. There are actually zero DNC grifters in the trump administration right now, I'm pretty sure a 2021 trump administration will also contain zero DNC grifters. And there will still be plenty of centrist and liberal reps and senators they can grift with, actually more if Sanders wins.
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When Sanders says that he sees the president's role as that of "organizer-in-chief," part of that means that he will try to primary Democratic legislators who are just pro-business libertarians. These are all good questions, by the way; these threads can be hostile to people who aren't on board with Sanders.
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