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Coohoolin posted:We heard it from Corbyn too. e: 1942 - an international public meeting at the Royal Albert Hall in London registers outrage over The Holocaust. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Feb 10, 2020 |
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https://twitter.com/markdistef/status/1226958614277107712?s=21 Here we go again...
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Guavanaut posted:Much of the membership bought the neolib Tory narrative that "immigrants are good for the economy because we can steal far more of their surplus labor than from people with rights" prior to Brexit. Bailey is actually the closest I've heard from a senior labour figure to anything other than that tbh.
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So, how long do you think it's going to be until the Tories have to start actually doing things? Because they seem, weirdly, to not have done anything at all for a while and it's creeping me the gently caress out.
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Josef bugman posted:So, how long do you think it's going to be until the Tories have to start actually doing things? Depends whether boris can climb out of his giant barrel of whiskey and cocaine.
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Feb 10, 2020 21:12
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Burgon: "A lot of MPs turn up pissed to vote on whether to bomb another country".
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Feb 10, 2020 21:14
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Holy poo poo, Ken Loach is here. He spoke for RLB and Richard Burgon.
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Josef bugman posted:So, how long do you think it's going to be until the Tories have to start actually doing things? Boris and the Cabinet have realised that they don't need to actually do anything: they can just make announcements and that amounts to the same thing for the general public.
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Feb 10, 2020 21:21
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Burgon: "Lots of the gains (in Labour policy re: socialism and opposing right wing influence of papers etc.) made under Jeremy Corbyn were down to the members having more of a say". He's big on increasing democratisation of the party.
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Feb 10, 2020 21:22
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Pistol_Pete posted:Boris and the Cabinet have realised that they don't need to actually do anything: they can just make announcements and that amounts to the same thing for the general public. This is also true for what most companies do - it turns out it’s cheaper and easier to have a marketing campaign saying you’re going to do something than it is to actually do the thing. Even if it leads to cases where you spend more on a super bowl ad talking about giving money to charity than the amount you actually give to the charity. Or more accurately, the amount your customers give via you selling stuff.
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Feb 10, 2020 21:26
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WhatEvil posted:Burgon: "Lots of the gains (in Labour policy re: socialism and opposing right wing influence of papers etc.) made under Jeremy Corbyn were down to the members having more of a say". Lol he's basically, repeatedly said "MPs don't know poo poo" and that's why we need things to be more democratic for the members. He's a good lad.
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Feb 10, 2020 21:27
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Hobo posted:I think the average age in this Bath CLP meeting must be firmly in the 50s, is that typical? Darth Walrus posted:Even attending meetings on the regular can be tricky if you have other stuff to do. Bath is, in some ways, fortunate, because most people in the constituency will be able to reach your meeting spot via public transport or walking. In rural constituencies, getting to a meeting can require a lot more advance planning, especially if you can't drive. Yes, tell me about it! I can't go to AMM (GC) CLP meetings anymore - about 15 miles away - because there is no public transport after 5-530pm. I might get one way if I want to sit around for an hour and a half waiting for meeting to start, but can't get back again. Various people who used to give me lifts either left the party because Corbyn or Anti-Semitism or have moved away. At least our branch meetings are walkable for me as I live in town, but for the members living in the countryside, it's very difficult - driving round unlit country roads with maniac 17-20 year old young lads tearing up the roads with not a single care for any other road users - let alone older peoples' eyes not being that great at night driving. Most of the people in our CLP that regularly attend meetings - and turn out to host monthly stalls, canvass, leaflet etc - are over 60. (And most are 'to the left' of the party).
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Feb 10, 2020 22:05
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Lol Burgon said he was sad to lose Mike Gapes because of the comedy value, for his miwk memes etc.
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Feb 10, 2020 22:09
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Yes, tell me about it! I can't go to AMM (GC) CLP meetings anymore - about 15 miles away - because there is no public transport after 5-530pm. I might get one way if I want to sit around for an hour and a half waiting for meeting to start, but can't get back again. Various people who used to give me lifts either left the party because Corbyn or Anti-Semitism or have moved away. At least our branch meetings are walkable for me as I live in town, but for the members living in the countryside, it's very difficult - driving round unlit country roads with maniac 17-20 year old young lads tearing up the roads with not a single care for any other road users - let alone older peoples' eyes not being that great at night driving. This was me in my rural Cambridgeshire CLP too. Meetings were held in random villages and it would always be like a 2 hour trip each way by public transport. Branch where I lived was dead too. Barking should be easier in that regard but OTOH our MP....
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Feb 10, 2020 22:10
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Burgon also said Woodcock had a rotten political outlook, and good riddance to him Will stop now as interview is done. He came across well. Main thrust of what he was saying: He's for anti-war internationalism, he thinks the party should be more democratic, he is for open selection.
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Feb 10, 2020 22:12
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Bath final: Leader: RLB: 47 Starmer: 45 Deputy: Raynor: 45 Butler: 43
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Feb 10, 2020 22:16
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feedmegin posted:This was me in my rural Cambridgeshire CLP too. Meetings were held in random villages and it would always be like a 2 hour trip each way by public transport. Branch where I lived was dead too. I've just got an email telling me my CLP's nomination meeting is going to be here:  It's ten minutes walk from my house and I'm still not sure if I can be arsed.
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Feb 10, 2020 22:18
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Hobo posted:Bath final: Looks like Bath CLP is better than some Bristol ones lol
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Hobo posted:Bath final: Your CLP is better then mine, gj.
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Feb 10, 2020 22:31
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Heads up on a good and correct thing that's happening within Labour, the Labour Campaign for Trans Rights. If you're a Labour member and think transphobia should be stamped out with a big heavy boot from the Labour party, sign below. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd_wPyenUicSJgKv1YTknZ47gDGU4b_389zYbqH10TGSTRrpg/viewform
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Feb 10, 2020 22:41
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My CLP(Portsmouth South) nominated Starmer and Rayner  I was too lazy and depressed to attend and now I feel like this is all my fault.
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Feb 10, 2020 22:41
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floofyscorp posted:My CLP(Portsmouth South) nominated Starmer and Rayner Both of those are already through to the final and unless you're the type of member who votes how your CLP tells you, it's not important except a bit of 'PR' for the nominees. How you vote in the ballot is important.
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floofyscorp posted:My CLP(Portsmouth South) nominated Starmer and Rayner It's not, it's the people who voted for them's fault. Also as noted, the general is what really matters, and there's a fair bit of campaigning between now and then.
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However if anyone can bring themselves to give a rousing speech for Thornberry, if she can turn her campaign around there's a very slim chance she could knock out one of the shittier candidate in round 1 & stop them from winning on 3rd prefs E: I didn't show up for mine either & it went to Starmer, fwiw
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floofyscorp posted:My CLP(Portsmouth South) nominated Starmer and Rayner Hey I didn't go to mine either and mine did the same - the numbers were pretty small, I'd be pretty surprised if turnout has been huge for any of these; most people I think already know that a candidate they prefer is on the ballot, so it will mostly be the die-hards who've shown up.
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Borrovan posted:However if anyone can bring themselves to give a rousing speech for Thornberry, if she can turn her campaign around there's a very slim chance she could knock out one of the shittier candidate in round 1 & stop them from winning on 3rd prefs I really don't think thornberry will make a difference, she would need to do better than starmer or nandy starmer has the backing of the shithead brigade and nandy is another popular left choice for some reason, I don't think thornberry has anything to set her apart and she still wouldn't knock out starmer who is the main threat, it's first to 50% support, so the key thing is getting as many of the left voters to view him as toxic and not at all the compromise candidate, and to big up RLB. Shift nandy voters to RLB and try and keep starmer's support down.
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Darth Walrus posted:https://twitter.com/markdistef/status/1226958614277107712?s=21 Tbf the guy was forced to resign basically immediately. Still a horrendous thing to happen.
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feedmegin posted:I like how this is still a phrase despite the pound note ceasing to be a thing when I was sitting the entrance exam for secondary school & half the thread wasn't born yet From ages ago but in Scotland the £1 note was a thing until 2001! I remember it still 
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Feb 10, 2020 23:35
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£1 notes are good. Also what are the good Zigbees? I remember you mentioning there were some good Hue compatible stuff from Ikea or Lidl or somewhere some threads back that would work.
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Guavanaut posted:Also what are the good Zigbees? I remember you mentioning there were some good Hue compatible stuff from Ikea or Lidl or somewhere some threads back that would work. You know when you're really bad at a language and you can remember the sentence structure but you don't know any of the operative nouns? Never had it happen with English before but there's a first time for everything 
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Guavanaut posted:£1 notes are good. I use some Innr branded bulbs with a Hue system. They're don't have quite the same brightness range as the official Philips ones but cost about half as much.
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Feb 10, 2020 23:53
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We don't talk about Brexit anymore because it's all over.... it's BINO!quote:'We don’t use the word 'Brexit' any more' says Conservative Andrea Leadsom after visit to Nissan in Sunderland source: https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news...derland-1392669
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Feb 10, 2020 23:54
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Boris announces bridge - bridge contracted out to Boris donors - govt somehow fails at the first hurdle - contractors are paid massive contract break clauses - bridge is never even started. That’s the story
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Feb 11, 2020 00:13
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I've heard people say one pound notes were good because you could pay for stuff with big stacks of cash but you could just put the equivalent amount of coins in a pillowcase and not have to pay for anything WhatEvil posted:Lol Burgon said he was sad to lose Mike Gapes because of the comedy value, for his miwk memes etc.
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Feb 11, 2020 00:15
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They were good because distracted English shopkeepers would give you a fivers worth of change
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Our CLP backed the following for NEC: Gurinder Singh Josan, Johanna Baxter, Carol Sewell I don't really know anything about two of them but Baxter was prominent in 'the great purge of Corbyn supporters of 2016'.
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Feb 11, 2020 00:48
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It’s cool how labour is shifting right because the left won’t get out of its mourning phase. By cool I mean loving ridiculous. gently caress sake Boris destroyed all the gains made by Corbyn simply by calling an election early. All those years that could have been spent planning for a successor and how not to immediately shift back to blairitism. Just going to assume 90% of the people we saw chanting Jeremy Corbyn over the years just liked singing. Because they ain’t here anymore.
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CLPs aren't representative of the wider party and RLB's still winning nominations from them. Half the people voting for RLB in the main election ITT haven't gone to their CLP meetings cos they understandably don't see the point. You necessarily do not hear from the majority of labour members, and there is a much bigger slate of candidates in the elections running on increased power to the membership, especially in the deputy role. And even the shitheads are trying to win lefty cred. The stuff RLB is putting out rhetorically is in many respects to the left of labour in 2017, and with a bigger focus on the membership too. I don't think it's unlikely that the party ends up moving further left, especially if the wreckers start up their poo poo again if she wins it. She'll have an excellent mandate for going to town on them and if we get burgon or butler (or possibly even rayner) for the deputy they'll likely support her on it. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Feb 11, 2020 |
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I didn’t see her myself, but apparently Maxine Peake was at my CLP nomination meeting. But yeah in general members of political parties heavily skew old, I guess because people decide to get into politics as a hobby once they retire. Even with Momentum, having had access to the database I can tell you that the membership is a lot older than you’d think.
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Comrade Fakename posted:I didn’t see her myself, but apparently Maxine Peake was at my CLP nomination meeting. But yeah in general members of political parties heavily skew old, I guess because people decide to get into politics as a hobby once they retire. Even with Momentum, having had access to the database I can tell you that the membership is a lot older than you’d think. Ha yes most of the momentum members I know are elderly, go to Church, knit their own beans and do lots of charitable 'good works' outside of their Labour Party lives. The notion of 'momentum thugs' round here is hilarious. Also, possibly in these days of precarious employment, people might be a bit scared of being prominent in local politics in cse their employers find out.
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