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A major thing with Gundam and this has been true from the very first is that it relies on the idea that a single Ace Pilot can be a massive tide-turner in battle. I mean Char being the Red Comet is obviously calling back to the Red Baron and such. The end result is that the logical thing isn't necessarily the good thing and it becomes actively worthwhile to invest in expensive single-use units both as testbeds for new technologies and because while a single special unit may cost as much as 10 mass production units, that single unit will have a much better chance of doing significant damage while also keeping a valuable (and probably Super Special because anime) pilot alive. Like this is actual in-text stuff. Things like the Elmeth are pretty much designed for a single pilot but that single pilot is such a significant threat that it's only another special pilot who had a reliable chance of stopping it without a massive investment of resources. The same is true of special carriers. They are almost always special for a reason. The Archangel was a testbed unit as much as the Gundams were and so it was kitted out with everything they could throw on it because they expected it to be a target and it going down also would theoretically have lost all five G-Units at the same time. Without a special reason it's a lot more effective to just make five shittier carriers and write the crew and mechs off as potentially disposable. Basically the two end of the spectrum are the Balls and the Gundams. Balls are cheap, easily mass produced, and something you only make if quantity is more important than quality and you can afford to spare the manpower. Gundams are something you make when a pilot is so insanely good that you want to maximize their rear end kicking ability and keep them from getting randomly killed. The latter isn't war logic but it actually makes sense in most Gundam universes where you have special people who are capable of turning the tide of battle. Each universe also ends up in a situation which pushes these people forward through a combination of the higher ups genuinely recognizing the value of the pilot and because any pilot who isn't good enough is probably going to die in their first couple of engagements. Also because it's anime exceptional pilots are almost always pushed towards the most dramatic plots.
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ImpAtom posted:Also because it's anime exceptional pilots are almost always pushed towards the most dramatic plots. Also the non-exceptional pilots tend to be dead already, or dying because of said dramatic plots.
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Feb 9, 2020 07:16
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Commander Farsight is the best Char Clone.
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Feb 9, 2020 07:22
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what aces in gundam have been downed by non-aces?
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ninjewtsu posted:what aces in gundam have been downed by non-aces? Akihiro Altland, Norris Packard, Mikhail Kaminsky, Mudie Holcroft, and novel Amuro are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. chiasaur11 fucked around with this message at 10:50 on Feb 9, 2020 |
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Feb 9, 2020 10:24
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South Burning, if you count dramatically timed razor shards of exploding cockpit panel to be a non-ace.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Commander Farsight is the best Char Clone. 
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Mikazuki is waking! But seriously Commander Farsight is a Char clone. He pilots a red XV-8 and has a rivalry with Shadowsun who has a white battlesuit prototype. Also this exists and I find it hilarious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaLsg3M7jOs
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Neddy Seagoon posted:You can functionally achieve the same results for most combat missions as something like the Archangel or Dominion with a basic transport and a bunch of DJINN's/GM's/Grunt of choice lashed to the sides for a fraction of the cost to manufacture and repair/replace them. Remember that what actually kept the Archangel safe for most of its operational time onscreen was Kira swatting every Mobile Suit that so much as looked at it during combat. This is kind of true of a lot of UC special carriers - the White Base, Albion, and Argama are primarily special because of their all terrain capabilities rather than because of their raw combat prowess. However, in SEED it's a little bit different because both of the major named SEED battleships are packing what amounts to superweapons in the Lohengrin and Tannhauser. The Tannhauser in particular is used as basically a portable WMD and several battles pivot on whether or not the Tannhauser can be used. The Lohengrin Gate battle only involves Shinn doing a death star trench run because the enemy's barrier means they can't just Tannhauser it into oblivion from a distance, for example. The big battle with the Orb Fleet where Shinn initially goes super saiyan only occurs because Kira shot the Tannhauser out before the Minerva could simply eradicate the enemy fleet with a single blast. During Angel Down, when Shinn shot down Kira, and Talia decided to let the Archangel escape, the explosive force of the Tannhauser hitting the ocean was so powerful that Talia was able to plausibly pass it off as the Freedom's nuclear reactor detonating. So the Tannhauser can basically do a plausible stand-in for a nuke. The Archangel is also depicted soaking up huge amounts of punishment(cue B-roll of all the stock footage scenes of the Archangel taking hits and the camera zooming in on Murrue's boobs bouncing around), which a mobile suit carrying tin can probably couldn't do. Kanos fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Feb 9, 2020 |
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Kanos posted:(cue B-roll of all the stock footage scenes of the Archangel taking hits and the camera zooming in on Murrue's boobs bouncing around) the secret to Seed's success 
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Cross Rays reminded me just how loving stupid most of SEED is, and that's even when it's heavily abridged. The Astray boys are alright though. e:With any luck we'll get those two crazy Astray variants as a free bonus in this week's update. Bloody Pom fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Feb 9, 2020 |
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Gripweed posted:the secret to Seed's success Are you implying lack of gaianaxing is why the Dominion lost?
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Warmachine posted:Are you implying lack of gaianaxing is why the Dominion lost? The Dominion had Natarle and Frey. It's entirely down to Azrael.
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ninjewtsu posted:why didn't the federation's a baoa qu "some cheap rear end metal boxes that we attached thrusters to, with some ropes hanging off the sides to tie more robots on with" plan become the standard shipbuilding plan for all future conflicts? You leave your MS incredibly vulnerable is the big thing. If the attack kills the ship anyway, then it doesn't matter. If the attack doesn't, then having the MS inside means they might be able to take a hit. A hangar also means you can perform maintenance in a closed environment so your mechanics don't have to wear space suits and you don't have to secure important tools from flying off into space. Thing is, the Federation does this by the time of Zeta and afterwards. It's called the Salamis Kai or Salamis (0084 refit). One MS catapult and it can carry four MS. Yeah, you can absolutely carry more MS by strapping them everywhere but that's the sort of thing you do in a high-intensity conflict where you're throwing everything you have, and not the months if not years of peace between conflicts. There's still Salamis Kai around in Victory. It's a cheap ship, there's nothing fancy about it, and you can make tons of them. If the Pegasus-class, Argama-class, etc. are your fancy rear end nuclear carriers, then the Salamis Kai is basically the escort carrier of UC. Heck, the Ra Cailum-class' little brother, the Clop-class, is basically a fancier Salamis Kai.
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I still laugh thinking about how destiny loves to go on about how the people just need to understand each other and not fight and whatever, yet at the same time, show has every every single member of the earth alliance be portrayed as bloodthirsty lunatics who would kill every coordinator without a second thought. Like, in the show's own universe, the only rational choice for Zaft would be to eliminate the alliance down to the last man,.
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ImpAtom posted:Basically the two end of the spectrum are the Balls and the Gundams. Balls are cheap, easily mass produced, and something you only make if quantity is more important than quality and you can afford to spare the manpower. Gundams are something you make when a pilot is so insanely good that you want to maximize their rear end kicking ability and keep them from getting randomly killed. The latter isn't war logic but it actually makes sense in most Gundam universes where you have special people who are capable of turning the tide of battle. It's actually kind of disappointing that this became the trend, because it was very much not the intention (or actual execution) in 0079, but for better or worse, Gundam as a franchise started concentrating more on stories about individuals who change the whole tide of a conflict with Zeta and the fact the protagonist's machines rarely filtered down to regular enlisted men after that point is part of that setup. In 0079, the Gundam is a super special one off machine in the first episode, but is starting to meet it's match by episode 15 or so when Ramba Ral shows up, because Ramba has a unit that can keep up with it, at least terrestrially, and weapons that can damage it; which is exemplified in the last duel between the Gouf and the RX-78-2, given that both units inflict almost identical damage to each other. By the time of Jaburo, the Federation is rolling out the GM, which is functionally identical to the Gundam outside of generally using a weaker beam weapon and only having one beam saber instead of two. Then a few episodes later, the Gundam is matched in every meaningful way by the performance of the Gelgoog. The Zeta on the other hand doesn't really filter it's advancements down to the majority of other pilots (though other units actually incorporated it's major advancement, transformation, before the Zeta) and mooks are generally just as piss poor in terms of their equipment at the end of the show as they were at the start. Zeta told a much more contained narrative about a smaller conflict though, so it's kind of understandable. Still, everything else essentially mimics that, and even stories about broader wars tend to have the protagonists just upgrade to new units with new gimmicks that put them above and beyond the majority of other pilots even if the advancements of their initial units start to trickle down to other pilots. Which isn't even always the case, as with the case of phase-shift mentioned above. chiasaur11 posted:As an example of an ace killed by a non-ace: Norris Packard I'd find it quite hard not to classify Shiro as a non-ace. Yea, he might not have been the greatest pilot in the world, but he still gets more than a handful of kills during 08th MS Team, which is all that really determines an ace; and, more pragmatically, he's the protagonist, so he's going to be one of the show's primary pilots in all but the most subversive of stories.
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Also doesn't Shiro get the kill because Norris hears his name over the radio and has a momentary "Oh poo poo it's that guy Aina wants to bone." Moment?
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I'd also point out that in the first episode of 08th MS Team, Shiro takes out a mobile suit in a Ball. Yea, it was only a Zaku I, but he still did it regardless. He deserves to be regarded as an ace for that alone. The director threw aside previously established personality and history for the sake of drama in the Norris fight, by making the entire 08th MS Team morons with all the experience and calm of a beached fish, but Shiro was actually depicted as a daring and skilled pilot throughout much of the show.
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The GM also has cheaper, less effective armour than the Gundam, although it is lighter and faster (which ironically makes it more useful for skilled pilots).
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tsob posted:I'd also point out that in the first episode of 08th MS Team, Shiro takes out a mobile suit in a Ball. Yea, it was only a Zaku I, but he still did it regardless. He deserves to be regarded as an ace for that alone. The director threw aside previously established personality and history for the sake of drama in the Norris fight, by making the entire 08th MS Team morons with all the experience and calm of a beached fish, but Shiro was actually depicted as a daring and skilled pilot throughout much of the show. To be fair. nothing he did later on in this series really had him with the level of skill he demonstrated with the ball. It was a weird outlier given the majority of his performance in the show. Also, he should have been loving dead, considering he got shot with a zaku machine gun while piloting the ball.
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Monaghan posted:To be fair. nothing he did later on in this series really had him with the level of skill he demonstrated with the ball. It was a weird outlier given the majority of his performance in the show. Also, he should have been loving dead, considering he got shot with a zaku machine gun while piloting the ball. A Ball is a big, mobile-weapon-sized lump of armour, and the Zaku's MG is designed for engaging tanks and infantry. It should be able to take a few shots.
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Feb 10, 2020 20:58
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he gets shot like a dozen times and some of the shots hit the glass on the ball.
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Monaghan posted:I still laugh thinking about how destiny loves to go on about how the people just need to understand each other and not fight and whatever, yet at the same time, show has every every single member of the earth alliance be portrayed as bloodthirsty lunatics who would kill every coordinator without a second thought. In SEED Destiny, there's a scene where ZAFT deploys an experimental weapon called the neutron stampeder. It's used to stop a gigantic nuclear missile wave attack launched at PLANT's capital and for nothing else. The Earth Alliance trying to destroy PLANT in a nuclear holocaust is such a common, expected thing in SEED that ZAFT literally developed a defensive weapon that has the sole and only purpose of stopping nuclear missiles in flight.
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Plot armor? in MY Gundam? Seriously though, I just refer you to Amuro blocking 6 Mega Particle Guns with his completely normal shield.
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tsob posted:I'd also point out that in the first episode of 08th MS Team, Shiro takes out a mobile suit in a Ball. Yea, it was only a Zaku I, but he still did it regardless. He deserves to be regarded as an ace for that alone. The director threw aside previously established personality and history for the sake of drama in the Norris fight, by making the entire 08th MS Team morons with all the experience and calm of a beached fish, but Shiro was actually depicted as a daring and skilled pilot throughout much of the show. Actually that suit was a Zaku 2, it was a prototype modified to simulate the characteristics of the still in development Rick Dom, which is why it is purple and has huge legs
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I like that the ground GM has more armor on it than any other grunt suit in the OYW and it still gets blown to bits
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An ace isn't defined by "more than a handful of kills". An ace is defined by getting at least five kills, which, if I remember right, Shiro didn't manage in 08th proper prior to the Norris fight. Beyond that, we need a concrete definition of "ace" to properly answer that question. People like Julieta's grunt pilot escort might be aces for all we know, having taken down five pirates over the years in turkey shoots. Unnamed grunts who die in bulk against Amuro or Char might be aces who just got unlucky. In the context of 08th itself, though, "Ace" has a different meaning. While Terry Sanders Jr is technically an ace, with five MS kills to his credit, he describes Norris as "An Ace" with a metaphorical capital, the sort of pilot who reshapes the battlefield. Shiro, explicitly, isn't that sort of ace. He's an above average pilot, but no general is going to go "And of course, this whole plan depends on Shiro", the way Bright does with Amuro or Rustal does with Julieta. He's just a soldier doing a bit better than expected.
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You can also make the argument that maybe Shiro is just a much better zero-G pilot to explain his earlier exploits in relation to the rest of the series.
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Or Aina is a lovely pilot
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Tae posted:Or Aina is a lovely pilot She was a test pilot. Maybe she had never even been in combat before.
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Kanos posted:In SEED Destiny, there's a scene where ZAFT deploys an experimental weapon called the neutron stampeder. It's used to stop a gigantic nuclear missile wave attack launched at PLANT's capital and for nothing else. I mean, everyone sucks in seed. The plants respond to the bloody valentine by dropping njammers all over earth and crippling their energy supply, killing millions in the process. Earth tries to nuke them to death as soon as they get the chance, but the plants also built a giant gamma ray thing to destroy the earth, so it isn't like they have a leg to stand on. Earth built a giant colony laser to cut the plants in half, and they built another nuclear death beam to use as a threat so they could impose their caste based genetic system. I always figured deatiny never had a sequel because they all hosed died within six months.
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Caros posted:I mean, everyone sucks in seed. The plants respond to the bloody valentine by dropping njammers all over earth and crippling their energy supply, killing millions in the process. Earth tries to nuke them to death as soon as they get the chance, but the plants also built a giant gamma ray thing to destroy the earth, so it isn't like they have a leg to stand on. Comedy option, AGE is actually a distant sequel to SEED after the Cosmic Era equivalent of the Dark History, and the Vagans are the Martian colonists from Delta Astray. It'd explain why they're both poo poo  e: Wasn't it a plot point that the biological children of first-generation Coordinators were turning out to be born sterile? Given how cloning tends to result in headcases like Rau, this seems like a self-resolving problem for the Earth Alliance. Bloody Pom fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Feb 11, 2020 |
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I have a lot more retroactive empathy for SEED's worldsetting because the real world is about as loving insane as it is.
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Caros posted:I mean, everyone sucks in seed. The plants respond to the bloody valentine by dropping njammers all over earth and crippling their energy supply, killing millions in the process. Earth tries to nuke them to death as soon as they get the chance, but the plants also built a giant gamma ray thing to destroy the earth, so it isn't like they have a leg to stand on. I don't really blame PLANT or ZAFT for the death spiral of awful escalation in SEED. Bloody Valentine was a completely unprovoked Blue Cosmos-sponsored terrorist attack(you know, Blue Cosmos, that organization that controls most of the EA's upper brass) that consisted of them nuking the loving poo poo out of a civilian colony and killing every single person on it. What is ZAFT supposed to do then? Since the EA has proven, without a shadow of a doubt, that they're willing to deploy nuclear weapons at the drop of a hat on any and all targets, your only option to fight that is to deploy anti-nuclear countermeasures. The N-Jammers absolutely hosed over the earth and indirectly killed millions, but ZAFT's options in this scenario were "drop n-jammers and fight" or "get nuked out of existence by insane genocidal racists". It's not like the Earth Alliance, being run by the anti-coordinator illuminati, were going to come to the table and enter peace negotiations or try to bring the culprits of Bloody Valentine to justice so it wouldn't happen again.
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The whole "both sides are bad" false equivalence of late season Destiny is a huge part of where the show, something I likely give a lot more latitude than most people, really loses me. Nothing makes my head spin out more than remembering that the EA successfully pulls off an attack on the PLANTs more catastrophic than Bloody Valentine, and our intrepid Archangel based heroes mildly frown at it then in the very same episode resolve that it's time to deal with the ZAFT problem  I am entirely supportive of even ZAFT's most extreme measures because they're constantly facing unambiguously genocidal maniacs and it's hard to think of a less sympathetic conflict than the ticking clock scenario involving Orb at the series ends on because they're also very bad! They are openly villains who signed on to Operation Genocide All Coordinators for the majority of the season! Them actually getting the Death Star treatment might have been even more cathartic than watching their fleet get the business end of Sword Impulse earlier in the series was.
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Well, presumably they could've just deployed n-jammers in space so nukes weren't an option anymore. But it's clear that Blue Cosmos didn't intend to back down and basically chose to be proactive in a really lovely situation. Also plants are the dumbest looking colonies.
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Argas posted:Well, presumably they could've just deployed n-jammers in space so nukes weren't an option anymore. But it's clear that Blue Cosmos didn't intend to back down and basically chose to be proactive in a really lovely situation. Not really; If they're spinning on the central pivot then both halves contain a shitload of flat space to inhabit. They're not as scalable as an O'Neil Cylinder (expansion == make it longer), but it should functionally work.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Not really; If they're spinning on the central pivot then both halves contain a shitload of flat space to inhabit. They're not as scalable as an O'Neil Cylinder (expansion == make it longer), but it should functionally work. Nope, they look dumb.
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Seemlar posted:The whole "both sides are bad" false equivalence of late season Destiny is a huge part of where the show, something I likely give a lot more latitude than most people, really loses me. Nothing makes my head spin out more than remembering that the EA successfully pulls off an attack on the PLANTs more catastrophic than Bloody Valentine, and our intrepid Archangel based heroes mildly frown at it then in the very same episode resolve that it's time to deal with the ZAFT problem Eh, it's not quite that easy. A major issue with all sides in SEED is that the crazy motherfuckers have taken over by exploiting the fear and general lovely condition of the world. It's worth remembering that the war in SEED wasn't just born from a single nuclear weapon, but through constant back and forth for a long period of time. In the SEED universe: 1) There was a literal third world war and it was only after the use of nuclear weapons that people were willing to stand down. 2) At the same motherfucking time the Type S Influeza spread and it's basically the worst-case scenario people worry about with coronavirus. Highly infectious and resistant to medicine and actual attempts to treat it were hampered by the literal loving world war going on. 3) Humanity struggles back from the brink and starts space colony plans because 'holy poo poo we almost all died.' 4) George 'motherfucker' Glenn who was generally beloved worldwide reveals he's a genetic superman and releases info on how to genetic superman to the entire world. 5) While Earth is dealing with the possibility of rich people making their children superbeings, George Glenn discovers alien life, which completely upends the world. 6) The undeniable and verified proof of alien life mixed with the absolute shittiness of the world starts to impact the power of various religions worldwide, especially since "I can make my kid a superbeing in defiance of god" is suddenly looking a lot more valid. 7)Blue Cosmos membership begins to soar from people angry at basically everything. They probably wore blue hats with "for a blue and clean world' printed on them. 8) The Atlantic Federation, pissing everyone off, establishes a space base and an army of space fighters. Everyone else promptly gets their rear end into gear to catch up, staring a space arms race. 9) While this is going on the very first generation of Coordinators reaches maturity and oh look wealthy motherfuckers with super-genes are basically dominating everything. All your favorite actors and musicians? Coordinators. The good jobs? Coordinators. And conveniently the people who could Coordinator their kids while it was borderline illegal are almost universally extremely rich and well connected. 10) Coordinators get permission to make their own space colonies but, because gently caress you Coordinators, they are banned from producing food which must be imported from Earth. 11) PLANT becomes a big vulnerable target for any rear end in a top hat with a grudge. Militant members of PLANT form an organization called the Zodiac Alliance trying to restore food and self-defense rights. 12) Someone shoots George Glenn in the face. Inexplicably his brain survives to be put in a jar which goes on to have its own adventures. Astray is weird ya'll. 13) George Glenn being assassinated gives the Zodiac Alliance enough power to put members on the Supreme Council, including Seigel Clyne and Patrick Zala. 14) Oh look, Type S influenza is back and it's worse. People start dying in droves. The blame is put on everything from "Coordinator genes made this happen" to "Coordinators did this as revenge for George Glenn" to "Jesus is punishing us for the gay coordinators" PLANT ends up helping cure it but that just leads to the conspiracy theory they cured it on purpose. 15) The Zodiac Alliance is rapidly becoming more militant, which goes hand-in-hand with PLANT's sponsor nations demanding more and more production from them. This pisses everyone off (again) because flu-ravaged nations are suffering miserably while the PLANT-aligned nations are growing fat and wealthy, emphasizing the fear of Naturals that Coordinators will become the de-facto rulers of the world if given the chance. 16) Patrick Zala and Athrun Zala are almost assassinated. Athrun is sent away to school to try to keep him protected. 17) Blue Cosmos unleashes a terrorist attack on PLANT. This basically throws everything into chaos because nobody trusts anyone else (for good reason) and more militant factions start gaining control. PLANT starts developing mobile suits, the Earth starts arming up more heavily, and the militant factions of both are getting restless. Zodiac Alliance rebrands itself as Zodiac Alliance of Freedom Treaty. Blue Cosmos starts getting its lovely people into higher and higher positions. 18) Things come to enough of a head that ZAFT is able to actually take over PLANT entirely. They promptly go full military and declare independence, which pisses off Earth. 19) People are getting scared because the rich superhumans are militarizing. Blue Cosmos basically goes full Tea Party and starts taking over everything and launches terror attacks on any nation that allies with Coordinators. 20) PLANT begins to produce their own food and demands full autonomy. Mobile suits mean that the current Earth forces can't do poo poo to stop this. Naturals get understandably more scared because now PLANT has a military advantage in addition to an everything else advantage. 21) PLANT and the UN meet to try to work on a peace treaty. Can you guess what happens? If you say "Blue Cosmos blows up the entire loving meeting, possibly after putting a pee jar somewhere" then you are correct. However Siegel Clyne survived because he was late to the meeting and so Blue Cosmos starts saying that it was a trap to kill the UN. This seems entirely justified because "turns out the only survivor was the Coordinator guy who just happened to not be in the room" is a hell of a coincidence. Some side material suggests factions of PLANT may have actually been involved. 22) The Earth Alliance is formed and War Were Declared. 23) Literally the next loving day a Blue Cosmos allied soldier nukes one of ZAFT's new agricultural colonies (Junius 7) 24) PLANT is, as you can imagine, a bit put off by this and basically bribes people to not join the EA while also saying they will kick the EA's rear end. 25) The EA promptly turns around and invades those countries and forces them to join under threat of death. PLANT is like "eh, whatever, they're just Naturals." 26) ZAFT invades attempting to capture the mass drivers and thus dominate the ability to enter space easily. They get their poo poo wrecked by jets and tanks because it turns out one GINN isn't much good against fifty tanks. 27) ZAFT panics, fearing another nuke and the fact that their space-based mobile suits suck on Earth, and deploys N-Jammers on Earth. Earth is almost entirely dependent on nuclear power by this point and so they are hosed. Hundreds of thousands of people die from lack of power, including those theoretically friendly to PLANT. This particular method was heavily implied to be pushed for by Patrick Zala whose wife died in Junius 7. Any empathy for Coordinators is at an all-time low. Blue Cosmos probably throws a party because when the choice is between the rich space dicks who murdered grandma and the crazy racists, they can assume the crazy racists get the vote. So basically by the time SEED starts: Naturals have undergone a period of absolute horror. Within the period of about 80 years they've seen a world war, two pandemics, a complete upending of society, and a massive ever-increasing divide between the haves and have nots which takes the form of space castles and super genes. People who then dropped no-power bombs on the Earth. That is not to say it justifies space racism but it wasn't just people being dicks but people being increasingly afraid of the wealthy motherfuckers making themselves god-kings in their space palaces and ruling the Earth through their economic control. This is of course stoked by the wealthy motherfuckers on Earth who are upset that they no longer can enjoy all the fruits of being absurdly wealthy because mommy and daddy didn't want to genetically engineer them. (i.e: Muruta Azreal's entire motivation.)
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Argas posted:Nope, they look dumb. Old engineering adage; If it looks stupid, and it works, it's not stupid .The O'Neil Cylinders look much cooler though.
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