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Bronze Fonz posted:Not that I want to derail the thread further on this but I don't understand how american health care doesn't lead to massive revolt and hasn't already. It's absolutely loving bonkers. The ways the American elites keep the lowly urban peasant quiet: 1) they let them vote for two identical candidates every 4 years to have the illusion that they get to decide on the important matter 2) US basically have subsidized and very cheap corn/gas. And the US make every food from corn and from very loosely governed GMO cheap food. 3) controlling the media, this is really important. Thats why nobody in American is even talking about medical reform even though its not written into the constitution. Instead we have very stupid battles about gun laws and gender politic between two very similar right wing parties
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Shaocaholica posted:What happens if you try to disable GPS on a chinese phone? It calls a black van to your current location? Even in the west, if you disable location tracking/gps, while it stops giving apps location data, the phone itself still gets it and passes that onto manufacturer/service providers who absolutely pass it onto authorities if requested.
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My colleague kisses me on the cheek and proceeds to explain how bright lights hurts, and she's in pain when she rotates her neck. Hi
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unpacked robinhood posted:My colleague kisses me on the cheek When I joined my current department, everybody there was doing fist bumps instead of usual handshakes/kisses. They explained to me they started doing this one year with a particularly bad flu season. Now it's just standard protocol e: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RNUzwek5P0
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Pangolins are mammals; like the whole point of mammals is that they have mammary boobs. smh.
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Ratios and Tendency posted:Pangolins are mammals; like the whole point of mammals is that they have mammary boobs. smh. The whole point of calling them lizards is to piss off some pedantic nerds. smh.
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I take boobs, and taxonomy, very seriously.
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Lol, a few days ago I posted in this very thread about how SARS spread in Hong Kong through lovely apartment building drains. New York Times posted:Hong Kong officials evacuated and quarantined dozens of residents of an apartment building after two people living on different floors were found to be infected with the coronavirus, the authorities said on Tuesday.
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poty posted:It has killed six people so far Woah they grow up so fast Known Lecher posted:Lol, a few days ago I posted in this very thread about how SARS spread in Hong Kong through lovely apartment building drains. It reminds me the shower drain from our upstairs neighbour trickles down on the outside of our kitchen window, it's disgusting
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unpacked robinhood posted:Woah they grow up so fast you mean the pipe is next to your kitchen window? or there's literally water splashing on your kitchen window? what yikes
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Colonel Cancer posted:Well, are they all frivolous lawsuits or should people assuming a hefty amount of authority over others health and well being just assume responsibility over it? Yup. The father of my sister's best friend died because the surgeons left a sponge inside of him after operating. It should've been a pretty routine surgery.
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mike12345 posted:you mean the pipe is next to your kitchen window? or there's literally water splashing on your kitchen window? what yikes The pipe goes down a large shared shaft in the middle of the building. There's a 1cm hole about ceiling level above which aims right for our window sill. Regrettable posted:Yup. The father of my sister's best friend died because the surgeons left a sponge inside of him after operating. It should've been a pretty routine surgery. This is the worst, gently caress
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Medical insurance chat: I have had a lot of experience with the medical system here in a European capital over the past two years (essentially all levels of severity, many dozens visits), so I feel qualified. 1. You can book appointments for GPs usually on the same day (because there are many in a city). You'll have to wait, but that's just the overrun from prior patients. Say, you have an appointment at 1pm. Then, you'll probably have to wait from 5 to 30 minutes. For my GP next door, it is generally also sufficient to show up without appointment, but then you are served by order of arrival (they have appointment days and non-appointment days). Then you may wait some more, like 1-2 hours. But again, you can always use an online tool to just book an appointment somewhere. Not ideal. Perhaps this is better in the USA where they may see you straight away in any case. 2. Specialists which you book yourself: You can usually find something within a week. Depending on what you need, often same day (dentists, for example). The only exception I have experienced was radiologists, which are often fully booked. Nevertheless, I was able to find something within the city (up to 1h travel time) within a week. However I can see how for some specialists, and during certain times, it'll be more difficult. Like one months, two months for a radiologists I could see (although I was always more lucky for some reason). Or other old people stuff like orthopedics maybe? Don't know. But 6 months? Then you are doing something wrong. 3. Serious poo poo (e.g. cancer). Here, you are sort of pushed into a "system". Once it is diagnosed, things are scheduled for you. So for example if an operation is necessary, then they make this happen right away. These cases seem to be ordered by priority. In my case, I thought that things suddenly moved extremely fast (like major operation within 3 days, even without immediate danger to life). At that point, you'll be in a hospital so they take care of timing. But even beforehand, things move fast if they need to (across a network of doctors). 4. You can always go to the emergency room of a hospital. Doing this leads to them doing a mini diagnosis at the reception. If you have anything that can reasonably wait, they give you something for the pain and let you sit down for whatever time it takes. I have waited up to 3-4 hours on a Sunday in the ER with a non serious condition. I have also seen people transported off to treatment straight away. My experience was that looking for appointments for non-serious issues can be annoying and time consuming. The more quickly you need it, the more places you need to consider online or call. That sucks and may be better in the USA. But reason for that is that it is ordered by severity. When requiring serious care, things move much faster. This seems to be a deliberate trade-off. If you really want to visit the closest GP, and the closest specialists to your location, then I can see how long wait times come about. I think its stupid, but if you are an old or something, that may be the case. In the USA you'll probably have an easier time, as less people visit doctors and there's money involved? The advantage here is that it's essentially free. The stuff I am talking about would have easily bankrupted me and my family for generations if I'd actually had to pay for it (extensive hospital stays, expensive radiology, operations, specialists, long term diagnosis and treatment). I paid like 60 Euros total over two years. Lastly, the idea that you should pay for the ICU is ridiculous. Nobody "goes" to the ICU for fun. By definition, it's life threatening. Why would you have to pay for that? Haramstufe Rot fucked around with this message at 11:42 on Feb 11, 2020 |
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Pangolins are cool lizards Bats are cool birds
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QuarkJets posted:Pangolins are cool lizards Bats are Bugs! That's why they transmit the Corona virus! First the mask thing, now this, is Everybody scientifically illiterate itt? Smdh.
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Talk poo poo (about bats), get poo poo (on your face)
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quote:A Holland America cruise ship with more than 2,200 people aboard was denied entry to Thailand on Tuesday over fears that passengers may be carrying the dangerous coronavirus, bringing the total number of ports from which it has been turned away to at least five. Enjoy your forever vacation on the plague ship Burt. You'll either die of the coronavirus or die of old age waiting for a safe harbor to dock in.
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Known Lecher posted:Enjoy your forever vacation on the plague ship Burt. You'll either die of the coronavirus or die of old age waiting for a safe harbor to dock in. We need a flightradar for all the plague ships
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All the cruise ships worldwide should gather to the same place and be used to build a giant floating libertarian city. Problem solved
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SpaceGoatFarts posted:All the cruise ships worldwide should gather to the same place and be used to build a giant floating libertarian city. Problem solved I'd play that video game.
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Dante80 posted:I'd play that video game.
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ZombyDog posted:It was called Brink. I was thinking more of a Waterworld - Virtua Boy continuation.
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Ratios and Tendency posted:Pangolins are mammals; like the whole point of mammals is that they have mammary boobs. smh. Then how do you explain the lizard milk?
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Dante80 posted:I was thinking more of a Waterworld - Virtua Boy continuation. Impossible, China's flag proves they are capable of rendering more colors than just red.
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Radical 90s Wizard posted:Its like that in every single other developed country with actual healthcare though... Its not at all. Most of the civilized countries with actual healthcare don't have a predatory college debt system. In fact those things seem to go hand in hand.
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SpaceGoatFarts posted:Apparently Prince Andrew has committed suicide yesterday, so the plan to infect him with the coronavirus is a half success There are 0 news stories about this.
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MarcusSA posted:There are 0 news stories about this. I think he may be mistaken.
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SpaceGoatFarts posted:e: nevermind probably fake news It is absolutely fake news
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news: i've risen
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He found out the lizard was underage and decided to keep living.
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WorldsStongestNerd posted:Its not at all. Most of the civilized countries with actual healthcare don't have a predatory college debt system. In fact those things seem to go hand in hand. In Germany Uni is literally free, and you can get a loan that you only have to pay 50 percent of, capped at 10k, if your parents can't support you. The capped at 10k doesn't means you don't get more than 10k, that's just the maximum amount you have to pay back. You do pay some semester fee between 100 and 500 euros, but that is usually just to cover your free public transport, sometimes including train tickets through an entire state. E: Getting a place as a doctor at a uni is almost impossible though, and many need to go to private unis that cost between 5 and 10k per semester, but if you've got perfect grades and are lucky you could become a doctor absolutely debt free. Yeah true, I studied in FL and we paid a bit more than 100 euros when I finished. In bigger cities or in the south people pay a few hundred generally though. Vvvvvvv Son of Rodney fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Feb 11, 2020 |
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Depends on where you study too. In Stralsund semester fee was 35€.
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All the BOOHOOO about being sued also comes from the fact that being medically made right after a botched procedure costs money. Most people who are the victims of medical malpractice get barely more than enough than is necessary to fix themselves back up. It’s the same hot McDonald’s coffee bullshit - seems frivolous when a right winger talks about it, then you learn that the coffee fused her labia shut and she only asked for medical bills and was initially denied.
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Dog Toothbrush posted:All the BOOHOOO about being sued also comes from the fact that being medically made right after a botched procedure costs money. Most people who are the victims of medical malpractice get barely more than enough than is necessary to fix themselves back up. And some sort of single payer system basically takes away the need for most malpractice lawsuits. If the follow-up care required as a result of a mistake is already paid for, the only relevant lawsuits are when the doctor is being outright negligent.
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Speaking of malpractice, can people sue those doctors if they end up getting sick from the person who got released? https://mobile.twitter.com/Independent/status/1227224283308580866
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:And some sort of single payer system basically takes away the need for most malpractice lawsuits. If the follow-up care required as a result of a mistake is already paid for, the only relevant lawsuits are when the doctor is being outright negligent. Yep, almost like it’s a solved problems in all of the world except America. Guess we must be too big or full of minorities to deserve care like that.
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Haramstufe Rot posted:
I need to point out here that europe is not a country, and at least where I live you actually can not book appointments with specialists. You see a GP and they book it for you if they agree it's necessary. Dentists you can obviously book yourself but that's not a specialization it's just a dude shoving poo poo in your mouth, and completely different from medical.
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