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Do you guys know where I could get hold of a Red Army surplus overcoat or preferably a greatcoat? I am only coming up with Bulgarian ones.
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https://twitter.com/rlong_bailey/status/1227230364961210368?s=21 Nice. She also hit the government on the deportation flights: https://twitter.com/rlong_bailey/status/1227183329927221248?s=21 Meanwhile, I've seen precious little from Starmer on any actual, substantive issues. This is what I'm talking about with moral leadership - one frontrunner's providing it, one isn't.
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Saith posted:Lloegr I prefer them to most ales.
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marktheando posted:I've said this before ITT but my dad was given corporal punishment for speaking in Scots in school. Not sure what exact amount of oppression is required for independence movements to be acceptable to the UKMT. I was under the impression that doing the whole 'oppression olympics' thing where you say 'oh group X is not as oppressed as group Y, they should shut up' was not cool. My mum got the tawse at school for sitting in a row that the teacher decided to punish at random, I'm not sure that's an argument for Scottish independence as it is against corporal punishment. Not to mention that corporal punishment hasn't been a thing in schools for 4+ decades so not sure this logic works even on it's own flawed terms. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Feb 11, 2020 |
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forkboy84 posted:Wait? So what are English speakers meant to call people who live in Wales? me posted:You guys should legit start using the word Cymry instead of Welsh tho when referring to a Welsh person Sanitary Naptime posted:I will happily do this so long as you assure me that it’s completely replacing of the word Welsh in all manners of syntax because I’d rather not look like a dumbass for using it. That's why I'm asking y'all now. Over the past couple years or so (basically since the Brexit vote brought a bunch of folk into the movement) there's been a bit of an effort to effect some sort of change regarding it. Like yeah if you call a Cymry a Cymry irl most of them (especially English-speakers) won't know what you're on about. Because we've been 'Welsh' for about 1500 years now. But there's a lot of people trying to enact some small positive change here and I feel that's kind of valuable, right? Language effects the way we think, so if we're calling ourselves foreigners, we'll always be suffering the (cultural) low self-esteem and self-hatred common to colonised peoples. So basically, you ARE gonna look like a dumbass when you use it regardless, but that's okay because then people will ask what you mean, and you'll be able to enlighten them.  And then you'll look clever.Cymry basically means 'fellow countryman' or 'member of the community' or 'comrade', pick your poison. 'Cymro' is more traditional but it carries a male-gendered connotation (Welshman) whereas Cymry is gender-neutral. Wales means 'land of the foreigners' which is pretty bloody typical. The Saxons come over 'ere, raid our shores, burn our churches, gently caress our sheep, and within years they're complaining about the foreigners. The more things change, eh? ThomasPaine posted:I don't doubt that you've experienced people being bigoted towards you because you're Welsh, what I'm saying is that this is not racism because there is no institutionalised discrimination towards you. English Northerners experience the exact same kind of low level poo poo, but the only time it translates into anything more is via classism. There are plenty of very powerful, successful Welsh people enthusiastically embraced within the British elite. And I'm saying you have no idea what you're on about so you should probably stop posting before you embarrass yourself further. forkboy84 posted:My mum got the tawse at school for sitting in a row that the teacher decided to punish at random, I'm not sure that's an argument for Scottish independence as it is against corporal punishment. Holy poo poo
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Collateral posted:Do you guys know where I could get hold of a Red Army surplus overcoat or preferably a greatcoat? I am only coming up with Bulgarian ones. Maybe something suitable here? https://www.sovietmilitarystuff.com/soviet-uniforms/russian-coats
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Collateral posted:Do you guys know where I could get hold of a Red Army surplus overcoat or preferably a greatcoat? I am only coming up with Bulgarian ones. They come up on ebay now and again from sellers like oldschool-by.
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Saith posted:That's why I'm asking y'all now. Over the past couple years or so (basically since the Brexit vote brought a bunch of folk into the movement) there's been a bit of an effort to effect some sort of change regarding it. Like yeah if you call a Cymry a Cymry irl most of them (especially English-speakers) won't know what you're on about. Because we've been 'Welsh' for about 1500 years now. But there's a lot of people trying to enact some small positive change here and I feel that's kind of valuable, right? Language effects the way we think, so if we're calling ourselves foreigners, we'll always be suffering the (cultural) low self-esteem and self-hatred common to colonised peoples. Is the 'y' pronouced like an 'a' in english? So like 'camra'?
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forkboy84 posted:Wait? So what are English speakers meant to call people who live in Wales? Eskimos, or Inuits if you want to be "politically correct"
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Wow, someone sure pissed in Owain Glyndŵr over here's cornflakes this morning E: I'm being rude, but honestly what specifically is worse in the life of joe nobody from swansea, by comparison to the equivalent in merseyside? Yes, Welsh - or Cymru if you prefer, fair enough - culture was historically oppressed, but today you can't say that's the case, surely? There's bilingual everything, cultural revival efforts etc etc. The shite material things you describe are surely experienced across the UK regardless of nation, though yes, probably less so in (southern) England on account of economic centralisation. I'm very much up on this from the Scottish perspective having lived there for most of my life and I even voted independence, but to say that there's capital R racism towards scots in the UK today is a bit of a stretch ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Feb 11, 2020 |
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marktheando posted:I've said this before ITT but my dad was given corporal punishment for speaking in Scots in school. Not sure what exact amount of oppression is required for independence movements to be acceptable to the UKMT. I was under the impression that doing the whole 'oppression olympics' thing where you say 'oh group X is not as oppressed as group Y, they should shut up' was not cool. Plus a chance to get their chums construction firms some bloated contracts that are too big to fail.
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Forums making GBS threads the bed for anyone else? Had to refresh this page three times for it to load.forkboy84 posted:My mum got the tawse at school for sitting in a row that the teacher decided to punish at random, I'm not sure that's an argument for Scottish independence as it is against corporal punishment. My point is that the deliberate suppression of the Scots language is within living memory. It's not some far off thing. I was raised by someone who dealt with that poo poo. Sure things are better now but the attitudes persist. Like someone will probably reply to this saying Scots is a dialect and not a language.
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I'm communist, I don't see "nationality" 
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forkboy84 posted:Wait? So what are English speakers meant to call people who live in Wales? Brits
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Lt. Danger posted:I'm communist, I don't see "nationality" Your ice pick is en route.
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Miftan posted:Is the 'y' pronouced like an 'a' in english? So like 'camra'? the kum in kumquat and then ree which rhymes with lee or pee or see
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oh Cymry not Cymru, so I gues Kumru
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I've got to say that this thread is definitely making me think that maybe the UK does need to be broken up after all. It's weird the way that people itt who would definitely acknowledge that the English oppressed the Irish won't even consider that maybe the same sort of thing happened to the Scottish and the Welsh. Why is Irish anger about historical oppression justified but Welsh anger is "just nationalism".
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HS2 is a tory plot to complete the social cleansing of London. Every working class person in London is a northerner now.
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Collateral posted:Do you guys know where I could get hold of a Red Army surplus overcoat or preferably a greatcoat? I am only coming up with Bulgarian ones. Keep an eye on Silvermans, they don't have anywhere near as much Soviet stuff as they did in the past but it still comes up occasionally.
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Tesseraction posted:the kum in kumquat and then ree which rhymes with lee or pee or see Tesseraction posted:oh Cymry not Cymru, so I gues Kumru So Cam-Rah?
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Tesseraction posted:Maybe something suitable here? https://www.sovietmilitarystuff.com/soviet-uniforms/russian-coats This is exactly what I am looking for, but one based over here ideally. Guavanaut posted:Belarus. They have tons of them in warehouses. They may or may not be soaked in formaldehyde though, so they'll be in great condition but unpack them outside. Thanks, there is a Czech one, but with no buttons.
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a pipe smoking dog posted:I've got to say that this thread is definitely making me think that maybe the UK does need to be broken up after all. 
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a pipe smoking dog posted:I've got to say that this thread is definitely making me think that maybe the UK does need to be broken up after all. i believe it's something called broke worm infested brains
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Keep an eye on Silvermans, they don't have anywhere near as much Soviet stuff as they did in the past but it still comes up occasionally. Seconding a recommendation for Silvermans . Used them before, good shop.
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marktheando posted:Forums making GBS threads the bed for anyone else? Had to refresh this page three times for it to load. It’s neither a language or a dialect because there is no unifying Scots language or dialect. There are multiple different Scots dialects (of english) and the idea that there’s a unified one is silly and dumb. Linguists don’t agree on this subject either so there is no right answer and my opinion being brought up here has about as much weight as yours, making it a pointless topic.
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marktheando posted:My point is that the deliberate suppression of the Scots language is within living memory. It's not some far off thing. I was raised by someone who dealt with that poo poo. Sure things are better now but the attitudes persist. Like someone will probably reply to this saying Scots is a dialect and not a language. This is a fair point Though my partner is Scottish and thinks Scots is a dialect lol. I refuse to take a position on the issue until I've had a few wines and think I'm hard
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I was oppressed in school by my classmates for not having a west country accent and because I pronounced Bath the 'posh' way. (Correct way)
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It is weirdly out of character for the thread, most times when a topic comes up people don't care about or they find the poster annoying they don't turn that into a stick to beat them with. If you don't care, don't read, if you don't know about the topic either way, listen, if you don't like the poster, ignore and if they're being extra lovely report. Turning around and going "who rattled your leeks  " is kind of uncalled for and uncomradely.
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Ash Crimson posted:i believe it's something called broke worm infested brains 
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I know, I was annoyed, my mad. The honest answer is of course that the question of nationalism and nationality within left wing discourse has always been a big point of consternation that has never been satisfactorily resolved. There are plenty of people who agree with one another on most things but completely diverge there. It's not ideal but just yelling 'prick' at each other isn't going to achieve much besides making everyone double down in frustration.
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e: unnecessary Now taking bets on how large the eventual cost of HS2 will be. Spuckuk fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Feb 11, 2020 |
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Aphex- posted:I was oppressed in school by my classmates for not having a west country accent and because I pronounced Bath the 'posh' way. (Correct way) orroight moi luvver also I get called alco taff, sheep shagger, only gay in the village, etc and I'm not even
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a pipe smoking dog posted:I've got to say that this thread is definitely making me think that maybe the UK does need to be broken up after all. I haven’t seen a single person suggest that the Welsh haven’t been oppressed what I have seen is people arguing against the idea that you can differentiate between oppressors and oppressed based entirely on which side of an imaginary line they are
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Saith posted:Did I say that, dickhead? I'm all for repatriating stolen goods to their countries of origin. I'm all for reparations. It wouldn't be enough. Nothing can ever be enough to redeem this oval office of a dying empire. If it was up to me, the museums of London would be loving empty, 'cause everything would be back in Egypt and China and India and all the other places we orchestrated genocides, set up apartheid states and just generally committed crimes against humanity. Nowhere did I say any of that poo poo was acceptable. Yes, you said, in effect, "Share your ill-gotten wealth, we helped you steal it!" I mean there is still a lot of stuff there that is from Britain, Sutton Hoo etc. I think all of it should be given back, and to argue otherwise is daft. I am actually profiting off of other stuff. The place that makes the most money (and where I work most of the time) was a purely scientific institution. The only things we have in there that aren't from Britain are some astrolabes, which I agree should be given back, but there are a lot of them, most of them of minimal historical import. I would say that I do, in fact, have some level of culpability within this system though and if I could live without working here I defo would. I think it would be hosed up, but that argument is still saying "Oh we want to get all the benefits of having been/being part of a colonial power, but none of the disadvantages. Also share with us what you stole! I don't think anyone here would disagree. It's simply that, shockingly, virtue is not located simply inside of a border. I am personally in favour of an independent Scotland and Wales if it wanted to go, but don't think that just because you were a junior partner in atrocity makes you any less culpable.
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Something I randomly remembered for the European Fast Food thread, but does anyone rember Jumbucks? Amazing Australian jaffle pies with excellent chips, maybe the perfect fast food, now all gone. Had one at Bournemouth uni that I went to all the time on my undergrad. Genuinely sad that they're gone and nothing like them seems to exist. Going to buy a jaffle press when I get my own place.
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a pipe smoking dog posted:I've got to say that this thread is definitely making me think that maybe the UK does need to be broken up after all.
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Why is Irish anger about historical oppression justified but Welsh anger is "just nationalism". The passage of time, perhaps? I didn't really get involved but the frothy rage didn't seem to be addressing historical injustices but attacking the poor across the border for present woes that don't arise from English oppression but from capitalist oppression.
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Lord Ashcroft has released his assessment of what went wrong for Labour at the election.quote:Last month I polled over 10,000 people, paying particular attention to those who voted Labour in 2017 but not in 2019. We have also conducted 18 focus groups in seats Labour lost, with people who have moved away from the party (often feeling that the party had moved away from them). The report includes extensive quotes from these discussions, since they explain Labour’s predicament better than any analyst could. They are all the more powerful when you consider they come from people who were voting Labour until very recently and probably never expected to do otherwise. The focus groups were held last month in Bolsover, Bridgend, Burnley, Don Valley, Scunthorpe, Sedgefield, Stoke-on-Trent North, West Bromwich East and Wrexham.
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Darth Walrus posted:Meanwhile, I've seen precious little from Starmer on any actual, substantive issues. This is what I'm talking about with moral leadership - one frontrunner's providing it, one isn't. He hasn't turned up to much what with his mum in law dying.
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