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Solefald
Jun 9, 2010

sleepy~capy


Did the discord disband or did you guys kick me out cos lol what??????

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Mano
Jul 11, 2012

Sanitary Naptime posted:

Also if welsh is a Saxon slur, why hasn’t there been more work to fix that from within Wales? Is wales also a slur? I’m not being facetious here, I legit don’t know this poo poo and I’m curious

Not sure if I would directly classify it as slur, but AFAIK it’s from an old Germanic word meaning stranger/foreign. Other names coming from the same: Wallis/Valais in Switzerland; the Walser People; the french-speaking part of Switzerland is sometimes called Welschland and reneging on a deal used to be sometimes called welschen.

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Solefald posted:

Did the discord disband or did you guys kick me out cos lol what??????

I'm not aware of anyone having been kicked out lately.

We did do a purge of zero-contribution members, and anyone on a couple of known nazi lists, after an issue we had shortly after the election, but there's not been anything additional that I'm aware of this year.

Pilchenstein
May 17, 2012

So your plan is for half of us to die?

Hot Rope Guy

Gonzo McFee posted:

Every poll of people who vote tory only gives more weight to my opinion that you should slap the absolute gently caress out of anyone who ever admits to voting tory. Just beat the piss out of them.
:same:

Solefald posted:

Did the discord disband or did you guys kick me out cos lol what??????
How long ago were you last on there? Cause there was an incident a while back and now everyone has to get verified or something.

Sanitary Naptime
May 29, 2006

MIWK!


Solefald posted:

Did the discord disband or did you guys kick me out cos lol what??????

It’s still there, but you need to auth yourself because of all the discord drama shite around the whole fyad thing.

Links still in the OP so just jump in and get authd again :)

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Sanitary Naptime posted:

It’s still there, but you need to auth yourself because of all the discord drama shite around the whole fyad thing.

Links still in the OP so just jump in and get authd again :)

See now I'm a little annoyed that I didn't have to do that because I'm just that boring.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
From the comments on RLB's trans rights tweet:

quote:

I was also going to vote for her as everybody says she is the left wing choice... this is no left wing, this is liberal BS, there's nothing more capitalist and individualist than gender self-id. I'm going to spoil my vote, this is totally disgraceful. Labour future is bleak :(

Gender self-ID is capitalism now, everyone watch out. I'm going to eminent domain TERFs of their genders and rent them back to them.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

That sounds like galloway's bullshit where anything fun is capitalism.

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


A shitload of country names in various languages eventually translate down to "foreigners", "people who aren't us", "people we don't know anything about", "people who have one weird attribute because some of our lot met some of them like that thousands of years ago".

A lot of country names involve the word for "mute" because the name is from long enough ago that the people who named it thought that people who couldn't speak their language literally could not speak at all.

TRIXNET
Jun 6, 2004

META AS FUCK.

Mano posted:

Not sure if I would directly classify it as slur, but AFAIK it’s from an old Germanic word meaning stranger/foreign. Other names coming from the same: Wallis/Valais in Switzerland; the Walser People; the french-speaking part of Switzerland is sometimes called Welschland and reneging on a deal used to be sometimes called welschen.

I've never quite known what Lister in Red Dwarf meant by Rimmer welschen on him in Bodyswap, until now! The more you know.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



sebzilla posted:

Time for the monthly "Restore the Heptarchy" post

I think we should restore the Heptarchy :hai:

Guavanaut posted:

From the comments on RLB's trans rights tweet:


Gender self-ID is capitalism now, everyone watch out. I'm going to eminent domain TERFs of their genders and rent them back to them.

Big tankie energy :allears:

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Going to leverage my gender identity to extract wealth from the gender disenfranchised.

Actually isn't that glinner's business model?

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea
That's "welching", isn't it?

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.

Guavanaut posted:

From the comments on RLB's trans rights tweet:


Gender self-ID is capitalism now, everyone watch out. I'm going to eminent domain TERFs of their genders and rent them back to them.

it's because being trans is a scam pushed on us by Big Hormone Pharma to get reassignment treatment

(this is what some people actually believe)

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


Guavanaut posted:

Gender self-ID is capitalism now, everyone watch out. I'm going to eminent domain TERFs of their genders and rent them back to them.
I self identify as owning the means of production

Which I hereby bequeath to the worker

It's over, comrades, we won

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
My condolences to all in this thread who have lost someone.


The Question IRL posted:

So not to weigh in any further on the Nationalism/UK debate. I have Opinions on this topic which arises from being lucky enough to grow up in an Ireland that is Independent and that went from being a really crappy 80's economy to Celtic Tiger and better economy, and from consuming a lot of English media and the way in which Ireland is viewed in Britain.

What I will weigh in on is what Saith said.

Firstly, I'm sorry that your Uncle died. That absolutely sucks. It also sucks that he died as a result of failure from medical care.

My daughter died in June. It was awful. She also died from what my wife and I felt was failure of medical care.

So some things I have learnt about grief.

1) It's horrible. It's a pain that is always there. And some days it gets better. And then other days something will set you off and you'll feel wrecked. It can't be predicted, it just happens.

2) You can feel depressed. Like a lot of the time. And occasionally you will find yourself getting angry instead. And being angry is intoxicating, because there is a feeling of power you get from being angry (to use a strained analogy, depression can feel like being on downers, while anger can feel like being on uppers.) And while you can feel powerful and righteous if you are angry about something, anger is bad for your mental well being, just like depression is.

3) We form narratives in our head. This one is strange. Basically humans and their minds have a lot of difficulty coping with tragedy. Often because tragedy arises out of something that was random. And that messes up our heads. And we find it is easier to ascribe their being a reason behind the tragedy. Even if that reason is dumb and non-nonsensical, we will accept above the idea that it was just pure chance.
I still remember when I was in the Ultrasound room and we were told that there was no longer a heartbeat. I fell to the floor and just howled. And in between my tears I insisted that the reason this happened was because I hadn't read the Parenting book I was given as a gift at Christmas.
Now this is clearly untrue and not the reason why my little girl died. But at the time, my mind accepted that because it made more sense than "poo poo happens."

And I think you may be dealing with a bit of that. It is easier to think that Wales being an Independent nation would have prevented this as opposed to the idea that this was an accident that sadly probably could not have been prevented.

However this is where your situation gets a bit more complicated

4) Tragedy is made worse when there is negligence involved.
Dealing with a loss is bad enough when there is objectively nobody to blame.
But where you can say that you feel let down by the care services (and without going into the details of my situation, my wife and I did feel let down) you have somebody that you think is responsible. And the degree to which that is the case and how you'll always say to yourself "What if this thing happened differently. Would my loved one still be alive?" is something that makes the grief process a lot harder.

To summarize. I'm sorry for your loss.

Try not to let the anger consume you over this.

Maybe if your Uncle was in a different part of the country or care services hadn't been so cut to the bone, a different result would have happened. Sadly you won't know and as difficult as it is, you need to move away from the temptation to imagine what could have happened and focus on your reality.

But campaign for a full understanding of why it happened if you feel the need for this, and to see if a change can be made to make sure this won't happen again.

A very powerful post. Thank you.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Mano posted:

Not sure if I would directly classify it as slur, but AFAIK it’s from an old Germanic word meaning stranger/foreign. Other names coming from the same: Wallis/Valais in Switzerland; the Walser People; the french-speaking part of Switzerland is sometimes called Welschland and reneging on a deal used to be sometimes called welschen.

We do still use the term 'to welch on an agreement' here in the UK.

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


Wait is "welch" racist?

I still have to consciously remind myself not to say "gyp", which I always thought was spelled "jip". gently caress.

e:

Borrovan fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Feb 11, 2020

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



mehall posted:

My overwhelming preference would be for a socialist united kingdom, but short of that I'll take materially improving the lives of the working class folk around me, because for my entire life the people around me have been the third of fourth consideration.

The Firth of Forth consideration, surely? :thunk:

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Angela Rayner also signed up to the trans rights pledges. Don't see any other leadership or deputy leadership candidates on the list yet, but that may have changed since I last checked.

https://twitter.com/angelarayner/status/1227188845642424320?s=21

Also, has anyone else ever received unusually large payments from Universal Credit? Particularly after attending a disability interview?

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Borrovan posted:

Wait is "welch" racist?

I still have to consciously remind myself not to say "gyp", which I always thought was spelled "jip". gently caress.

e:


Is "swizz" anti-Swiss?

Paging Coohoolin

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Coohoolin posted:

it's because being trans is a scam pushed on us by Big Hormone Pharma to get reassignment treatment

(this is what some people actually believe)
Surely self ID and telling transmedicalists to gently caress off helps solve that.

The current situation where you have to prove that you're 'really trans' with years of living as a gender and any medical notes and surgery helps your 'case' sounds far more like a Big Hormone Pharma thing than trusting someone's self ID.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Borrovan posted:

Wait is "welch" racist?

I still have to consciously remind myself not to say "gyp", which I always thought was spelled "jip". gently caress.

e:


Did you ever hear that old nursery rhyme Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a thief?

(Taff - is also considered a term of abuse these days. Not sure if Gog is!)

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Sorry, I've been catching up and shitposting in the middle of some genuinely heavy poo poo. My condolences to everyone who has lost someone, and I share the rage of those who lost someone unnecessarily. To lose a child is far worse than anything I can imagine, especially. :(

Apraxin
Feb 22, 2006

General-Admiral
Well, this is pretty mask-off from Cummings and Javid:
https://mobile.twitter.com/guardian/status/1227216880294912000
‘Downing Street has dismissed concerns about a deportation flight to Jamaica as the preoccupation of a “Westminster bubble” and vowed to press ahead with an inquiry into the use of judicial review.

After a court judgment forced the government to remove more than half the people from the flight list, the prime minister’s press secretary said reaction to the case showed that “certain parts of Westminster still haven’t learned the lessons of the 2019 election”.’

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
For the record, I'm pretty OK with Rayner, simply because she's one of RLB's most trusted friends and co-workers. I think they'd be an extremely effective team, simply because that's what they've been in the past.

EmptyVessel
Oct 30, 2012

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Did you ever hear that old nursery rhyme Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a thief?

(Taff - is also considered a term of abuse these days. Not sure if Gog is!)

Only ever heard Gog used by Southern Welsh about Northern Welsh.
(Because even if group A think all group B are 'slur' you can bet that parts of group B will think that other parts of group B are 'slur', and so on and on until you get one end of the street slandering the other. No need.)

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Darth Walrus posted:

For the record, I'm pretty OK with Rayner, simply because she's one of RLB's most trusted friends and co-workers. I think they'd be an extremely effective team, simply because that's what they've been in the past.

A new Blair and Brown? To be fair a decade in charge does sound alright.

Apraxin posted:

After a court judgment forced the government to remove more than half the people from the flight list, the prime minister’s press secretary said reaction to the case showed that “certain parts of Westminster still haven’t learned the lessons of the 2019 election”.’

He's right. The lesson is that they can do whatever they want, literally be told its illegal and not to do it by a court and still nobody cares.

Isomermaid
Dec 3, 2019

Swish swish, like a fish

Apraxin posted:

Well, this is pretty mask-off from Cummings and Javid:
https://mobile.twitter.com/guardian/status/1227216880294912000
‘Downing Street has dismissed concerns about a deportation flight to Jamaica as the preoccupation of a “Westminster bubble” and vowed to press ahead with an inquiry into the use of judicial review.

After a court judgment forced the government to remove more than half the people from the flight list, the prime minister’s press secretary said reaction to the case showed that “certain parts of Westminster still haven’t learned the lessons of the 2019 election”.’

"You're in a bubble, whereas I am in a safety shell of lightweight transparent material that affords me protection whilst offering excellent unparalleled 360 degree visibility on the world" he screams from his bubble as he deports Brits home from the place they've lived all their life

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Since we were chatting about invisible racism today, this is a grim but important thread about that soldier who died recently:

https://twitter.com/roadsidemum/status/1227056652765016064?s=21

Puntification
Nov 4, 2009

Black Orthodontromancy
The most British Magic

Fun Shoe
My Condolences to all goons dealing with a loss.

Darth Walrus posted:

For the record, I'm pretty OK with Rayner, simply because she's one of RLB's most trusted friends and co-workers. I think they'd be an extremely effective team, simply because that's what they've been in the past.

My parents are part of a socialist education organisation who like and support Rayner on the basis of her willingness to meet with them and associated trade unionists and be swayed left by them on education; they do worry that if starmer gets made leader she may be similarly swayed rightward though.

Apraxin posted:

Well, this is pretty mask-off from Cummings and Javid:
https://mobile.twitter.com/guardian/status/1227216880294912000
‘Downing Street has dismissed concerns about a deportation flight to Jamaica as the preoccupation of a “Westminster bubble” and vowed to press ahead with an inquiry into the use of judicial review.

After a court judgment forced the government to remove more than half the people from the flight list, the prime minister’s press secretary said reaction to the case showed that “certain parts of Westminster still haven’t learned the lessons of the 2019 election”.’

Winning the election has them feeling this is a post-mask era.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Darth Walrus posted:

Since we were chatting about invisible racism today, this is a grim but important thread about that soldier who died recently:

https://twitter.com/roadsidemum/status/1227056652765016064?s=21

loving shocking from top to bottom.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

The entire idea that the army would not notice a dead guy on the base for 3 weeks is farcical as is, they're clearly hiding something and that's as likely as anything. I'd been assuming he was murdered probably by some officer or something. Or some toff's son or something.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Yeah this is terrible from top to bottom. I did wonder if he found something out that he shouldn't have, given his position.

Now just looks more likely that it was a racist beating.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/mynnoj/status/1227315285759229953?s=19

lol

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

OwlFancier posted:

The entire idea that the army would not notice a dead guy on the base for 3 weeks is farcical as is, they're clearly hiding something and that's as likely as anything. I'd been assuming he was murdered probably by some officer or something. Or some toff's son or something.

It almost doesn't matter how he died - that he was left undiscovered for three weeks pretty much removes any benefit of the doubt you'd be willing to give, because that's a level of incompetence that is indistinguishable from malice.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Nobody click on #expelme if they value their sanity/wish to pretend Labour Party members are universally non-trash people. I mean I'm sure if I were to bother to dig in a bit the amount of the people using it who were actually members would be about the same as those claiming to quit because of AS or Corbyn being a terrorist or any of the other Fiat 500 Twitter "deeply held concerns" (i.e. 50% at best) but still.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Why on earth would julie bindel be a member of the labour party anyway???

Prince John
Jun 20, 2006

Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

Has the Matt Singh thread with lots of snippets from the big focus group been posted yet?

Quite a lot of info for those who don't want to read the whole report.


https://mobile.twitter.com/MattSingh_/status/1227009423585021954

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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I really hate that there's an industry based around quantifying the kind of moronic poo poo you can find in any comment section.

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