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Who do you think this is there? e: Does the blue rose imply that the trailer park and Carl exist in a different dimension? Would that also be true of Carl in season 3? Rageaholic fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Feb 9, 2020 |
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"Bob is real. He's been having me since I was 12."  e: God, Sheryl Lee can do some crazy intimidating faces.
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Menacing fan  vvv Sure is. El Jeffe fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Feb 9, 2020 |
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"This would look nice on your wall." Hey, that's the door the woodsmen go through in season 3, right?
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And Leland wins the Creepiest Dad Award!
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El Jeffe posted:Yeah I never got Lil. I know it's just absurdism but still wtf David.
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Hell yeah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxlGtcW1Qg8 Also that song Axolotl from season 3 sounds a lot like this.
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I should ask for a title change to "The thread will be torn, Mr. Palmer!" haha e: Hey, that's the same motel from season 3 too! Jeez. I think this is my first time watching this since season 3 aired so this is my first time picking up on all these parallels. Rageaholic fucked around with this message at 06:31 on Feb 9, 2020 |
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Feb 9, 2020 06:28
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What's the world coming to? 
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Fire Walk With Me is always jarring after coming out of the show because it's just so...purely and refined a presentation of Twin Peaks. The movements of the camera, the feel for textures, etc
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Feb 9, 2020 06:38
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Feb 9, 2020 06:40
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Ceiling fan off = Leland Ceiling fan on = Bob
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Feb 9, 2020 06:47
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Oh god, the actual killing is so hard to watch 
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Feb 9, 2020 07:05
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 Well done Lynch. Really ties the whole thing together well. Pretty funny that Bobby killing a guy never comes up again though
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El Jeffe posted:
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isn't the guy he shoots the deputy from the trailer park also? also leland shaming her about dirty hands comes across now as more him telling her he knows she saw him leave the house earlier, and she was clawing the dirt then. Oh and him coming in later and saying "I love you" instead of "im sorry" stands out. Peacoffee fucked around with this message at 07:34 on Feb 9, 2020 |
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Peacoffee posted:isn't the guy he shoots the deputy from the trailer park also? Indeed it is.
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"Oh, Mr. Jeffries! Oh, the poo poo, it comes out of my rear end!" Some of these Missing Pieces go some strange places e: "Hello, Sarah. Hello, Laura. Where's my ax? I'M HUNGRYYYYYYYYYYYY!" I'm really glad this dinner scene was left out. It's way too happy and ruins the mood that Leland is always threatening to Laura. Rageaholic fucked around with this message at 07:47 on Feb 9, 2020 |
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El Jeffe posted:
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huh, watching the missing pieces I notice Mike's circle of candles has twelve points like the face of a clock. e: there were a lot of things I noticed more this time around. Like in the finale arc Caroline and Pete et al, are dealing with a puzzle box that holds the key to something. Same as Cooper and Earl dealing with the puzzle and the key to the black lodge. Lots of shots of clock faces. the candle circle of twelve, twelve rainbow trout, twelve trees around the clockface of glastonbury grove. the portal to the black lodge resembles a clock. Peacoffee fucked around with this message at 10:01 on Feb 9, 2020 |
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Jesus the club scene with the topless dancing/grinding and that hideous stage music blaring over everything is so unnerving. So is how everything Laura does just gets so disjointed and inscrutable starting with the scene with Bobby and the guy he kills. She’s off in her own world from that moment and everything becomes so hard to watch.
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Man, I really don't feel up to the task of watching this movie right now. Maybe I'll try catching up with the thread in a few weeks or something.
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Still have to do the Missing Pieces but I rewatched the movie and feel much the same way I did the first time. The first part is weird in a strange way that feels more in line with the tv show, and while there is a lot of context provided for things that happen later on, it really is like they flip a switch once it cuts to "One Year Later" and the Twin Peaks welcome sign, and it turns into a proper actual movie (that I adore). My biggest takeaway is that Sheryl Lee is phenomenal and it still blows me away that she was initially cast as "just" a corpse and it was purely down to Lynch realizing she had something that we got so much extra content with her, plus of course this movie. She easily carries the weight of the whole thing on her shoulders, and while it's a shame not to see Ben Horne or Audrey (and the replacement Donna is jarring) I think they're better served by their presence in the TV show representing a less horrific echo of the Leland/Laura relationship. And god drat is the Leland/Laura relationship horrific. The dinner scene is intensely uncomfortable of course, but that scene the morning after she realizes it is him sneaking into her bedroom and the sheer contempt on her face is amazing. The scene with Mike at the traffic stop is great too, Ray Wise is fantastic and shots of his face falling as he has those little moments of awareness of the true horror of what he is doing are handled so well. I'm still so thankful that I only really properly watched Twin Peaks as a whole just before Season 3 started. Because I remember people LOATHING this movie when it first came out, but without the extra added weight of having spent 2 years watching it week to week only to suddenly have a prequel that doesn't resolve any of the Dale cliffhanger I can just enjoy a great movie in its own right. That all said, the nudity just screams,"I COULDN'T DO THIS ON TELEVISION!" and it's really pretty skeevy and I'm glad outside of one early and one late scene in season 3 Lynch restrained himself in that respect. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Feb 11, 2020 |
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Jerusalem posted:That all said, the nudity just screams,"I COULDN'T DO THIS ON TELEVISION!" and it's really pretty skeevy and I'm glad outside of one early and one late scene in season 3 Lynch restrained himself in that respect. It should seem skeevy imo. We're seeing Twin Peaks through Laura's eyes, and it isn't a quirky, idyllic little town with a dark underbelly to her - it's ALL dark, depraved and full of unimaginable suffering.
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It could have been worse. A few years back, I saw a screening of FWWM at USC with Ray Wise and Sheryl Lee in attendance for discussion afterward. Lee said that at the point when Laura understands that Bob is Leland and it's switching back and forth, there was supposed to be a third option of a dead pig. They had actually brought in this dead pig, and she told Lynch she wasn't doing it; apparently his response was a puzzled, "Why not?" Not angry or mean, just sincerely confused as to why she didn't want to film being raped by a dead pig.
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I'll never defend Lynch as being not skeevy, but the nudity in FWWM always seemed appropriate to the scenes to me. The club scene especially is amazing.Hijinks Ensue posted:It could have been worse. A few years back, I saw a screening of FWWM at USC with Ray Wise and Sheryl Lee in attendance for discussion afterward. Lee said that at the point when Laura understands that Bob is Leland and it's switching back and forth, there was supposed to be a third option of a dead pig. They had actually brought in this dead pig, and she told Lynch she wasn't doing it; apparently his response was a puzzled, "Why not?" Not angry or mean, just sincerely confused as to why she didn't want to film being raped by a dead pig. Holy poo poo 
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I legit wonder if Lynch has some sort of condition.
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Quote-Unquote posted:It should seem skeevy imo. We're seeing Twin Peaks through Laura's eyes, and it isn't a quirky, idyllic little town with a dark underbelly to her - it's ALL dark, depraved and full of unimaginable suffering. I guess the real question is, whether Lynch integrates the skeeviness in a way that's intended to simply shock or even arouse. Nicolas Winding Refn often falls into the category of aestheticising nudity and violence so something skeevy accidentally becomes erotic or at least visually appealing. He is, in a sense, a pornographer. The nudity in FWWM, on the other hand, always seemed to me like it was stripped of all aesthetic appeal. It's never glamourised or eroticised even slightly. There is nothing sexy about FWWM's nudity. Data Graham posted:I legit wonder if Lynch has some sort of condition. Reminds me of this baffling moment from The Art Life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyctJCC7s3k
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he's an eccentric who is avers to psychology and analysis of any form. That's going to lead places. When Frost suggests David has some darkness in him, David suggests people project things about themselves onto others, lol. It's probably his worst trait, for me personally, because there are plenty of artists who can still work well and actually understand what they are doing in a broader sense. I think there's even a mention of the fact that he walked out of a psych office after the person told him that, yes, analysis might affect his art. not that anyone is wrong or right, but the fact that david was doing the bird thing and his dad was all weirded out just reinforces the idea of a family that doesn't look too close at things. Which makes twin peaks an interesting work of his.
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And More posted:The nudity in FWWM, on the other hand, always seemed to me like it was stripped of all aesthetic appeal. It's never glamourised or eroticised even slightly. There is nothing sexy about FWWM's nudity. James jokes aside, even the scene with James at school? That had a very different feel from the Pink Room scenes. The way Lynch wrote the Teresa Banks connection worked well for me. We knew from S1/S2 that Teresa and Laura were linked together in death, but it was still a mystery, even after the Deer Meadows scenes in FWWM, what it was all about. It wasn't just random Bob appetites, and not only that, Laura ended up being at the center of it even if she didn't know that at the time. It also renews the question of how much was Bob and how much was Leland. Seems overly calculated to be Bob covering his tracks but you aren't really sure.
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BetterLekNextTime posted:James jokes aside, even the scene with James at school? That had a very different feel from the Pink Room scenes. That scene just felt sad more than anything. Laura is on autopilot, getting naked for the one guy that doesn't treat her like poo poo, because that's all she expects men to want from her.
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Volte posted:This is one of the things that I think the Twin Perfect analysis video nailed - Lil is literally the director Gordon Cole AKA David Lynch explaining how to watch the movie. She's doing some weird stuff, but it's pretty straightforward in how to interpret it (i.e. walking in place = lots of walking, sour face = sour attitudes to be expected, etc), and Chet Desmond picks it up directly, while Sam Stanley picks up on some barely noticeable poo poo about her dress being altered to fit her. Sam is later seen being completely oblivious to what's going on in Deer Meadow because he's too busy tallying up the total value of everything in the sheriff's station. Lil is David Lynch saying "I'm not being obtuse for gently caress sakes, even if it seems weird I'm saying exactly what I mean, stop analyzing freeze frames". Sam is very smart (he cracked the Whitman case after all) but he's not the guy for this job - Chet is. Be like Chet, not like Sam. I still haven't watched their video. This take, I completely disagree with, though. Chet's analysis is purposefully obtuse. You'd never be able to figure this out, if they didn't spell it out right afterwards. Let's also not forget that the barely noticeable poo poo is actually extremely important. Stanley is also not oblivious. His remark about the 27,000 $ office seems to imply that it's way too expensive. He can tell they've got some additional income they're not meant to have. BetterLekNextTime posted:James jokes aside, even the scene with James at school? That had a very different feel from the Pink Room scenes. Obviously, I can't tell you what to find erotic. It's just my impression. I think it's maybe the use of disinterested wide angles and the focus on female interactions rather than male ones (it's often Laura or Donna looking at something, and reacting bewildered or horrified). This kind of goes for the scene with James at the start of the film, as well. There is a heavy focus on dialogue, while the romantic aspect is nearly tangential. It's not erotic because Laura isn't into it, and she is the focus of that scene. Anything that looks sexy is usually over in a flash, like Donna lying topless on that table, while other moments that could be sexy are marked by are workman-like disinterest. Laura putting on her garter belt while simultaneously talking to James and smoking a cigarette, for example. On to some general impressions of FWWM. I somehow managed to watch it, after all: The first half of the film is a really great bizarro Twin Peaks with everything turned wretched and cruel that was charming in the original show. Even the beautiful, angelic corpse of Laura Palmer is replaced by a "drifter" with kind of a goofy, undignified look on her face. To go along with this, Chet Desmond is fittingly hardened and violent, and he never sleeps. I do feel sorry for poor Stanley. I'd be drat loopy, too, if I had spent all day driving, all night doing an autopsy, and the next day investigating a murder. Desmond's own MO, indeed. Sometimes, he's pretty close to being as mean as everyone else. At least he seems to take pity on poor Stanley after his coffee prank. My low-key favourite gag is when Desmond retracts the antenna to make Gordon less noisy. Surely, that's not how that works.  Out of the Missing Pieces for the Chet Desmond part, I only truly consider essential viewing: 2. The Jack scene because it shows us the Woodman more clearly. 4. The brawl. It's a well-done boxing scene, and it pays off the whole sheriff bending steel angle. Also, I just love the moment at the end when the sheriff hulks out. It's actually freaky looking, for some reason. 7. All of David Bowie's scenes. More Bowie is always better than less Bowie. And the unaltered Convenience store scene for a good clear shot of the Jumping Man is also kind of essential. If you included those, the Chet Desmond part of the film would make for a great standalone episode, honestly. From this point on, the film becomes really difficult for me to sit through (even though I've actually watched it four times, now). It's not just that Laura's life is a waking nightmare, either. The film basically inverts the entire premise of the show, with Cooper being portrayed as a self-satisfied moron who already knows he is "powerless" to prevent "the next victim" from being killed. The Cooper/Diane scene, while somewhat amusing, even further reinforces this impression of narcissism, when he calls himself "dashing". By telling the story from Laura's perspective, the film effectively reinterprets all of the show's plot as a failure of male authority figures. I think people who hated this film were kind of right. The film dares to do something that a normal sequel to a show should never do. It re-examines the show's premise. A beautiful corpse concealing mysteries becomes a very real young woman who struggles in a world where all of her angels seem to have disappeared. Her seemingly passive death (she allowed herself to be killed, as James said) becomes a true struggle, instead. The film makes Laura Palmer real, unwilling to be a victim, and she invalidates all those who wanted her to be a symbol. Of course, this is also why it's a great film. For all the ensuing horror, the scene in which Laura gaslights Bobby into thinking he's killed Mike, and she comically drops a little branch on the body to help "burry" it, is extremely funny. Also, goddamnit Donna, Laura clearly said she didn't want her to wear her stuff, and yet Donna ends up spending most of season 2 with those sunglasses on her nose. I never really noticed before, but Donna is kind of a jerk. Some haunting quotes: Donna: "Do you think that if you were falling in space... that you would slow down after a while, or go faster and faster?" Laura: "Faster and faster. And for a long time you wouldn't feel anything. And then you'd burst into fire. Forever... And the angel's wouldn't help you. Because they've all gone away." "I'm gone. Long gone. Like a turkey in the corn." "When a man comes out of the blue like that, what's the world coming to?" "Your Laura disappeared. It's just me, now." Also: "Bob, I want all my garmonbozia (pain and sorrow)" Thanks, Mr Lynch, now I get it.  The Missing Pieces for this part are all completely skippable, imo. I do still greatly enjoy 12. Pete explaining 2x4s as inflation 13. Norma actually sobbing for once. The show never really seemed to care how hard her life must be 29. Lucy learning about radios Could I please get screenshots of: - The intersection when MIKE starts honking - Leland covering Teresa Banks' eyes (After MIKE drives off) - Laura giving James that "I think you wanna take me home now"-look - James running a red light - Leland leading Laura and Ronette through the forest - Cooper overlayed onto lodge floor (Missing Pieces 33) And More fucked around with this message at 09:42 on Feb 12, 2020 |
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When it comes to one-liners that nobody ever seems to talk about but god drat it's a pair of kicks in the dick since they're basically the climax of the whole story, "I always thought you knew it was me!" "I never knew you knew it was me!" Both clearly speaking as themselves. I mean geeeeez Data Graham fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Feb 12, 2020 |
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Data Graham posted:When it comes to one-liners that nobody ever seems to talk about but god drat it's a pair of kicks in the dick since they're basically the climax of the whole story, Leland's apology to Laura is recontextualised after that confession, as well. Of course he "loves" her. Just as much as any abuser loves their victim. I'm sure Leo "loves" Shelly, too.
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https://twitter.com/DAVID_LYNCH/status/714871987043078144?s=20 Season 4 will surely be about Dougie getting Bernie elected.
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pyrotek posted:https://twitter.com/DAVID_LYNCH/status/714871987043078144?s=20 In 2016, an actor named Doug Jones starred in an Oscar Best Picture winning film despite being mainly known for wearing rubber suits and playing monsters, a politician named Doug Jones unexpectedly won in Alabama because his opponent was a pedophile, and an insurance salesman named Dougie Jones scored the jackpot on every machine in a casino. It was a good year for Doug Joneses
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And More posted:Could I please get screenshots of:      
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Perfect. Thank you!
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