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Starmer said trans rights during his Mumsnet AMA so I'm not entirely sure he's the FART-approved candidate e: In 1953 Dr C. Hamburger published his paper "The desire for change of sex as shown by personal letters from 465 men and women." Demonstrating to the wider medical community that transgender people are not just isolated cases, thus beginning several decades of advancements in gender affirming care. And several decades of creepy "sexologists" and lovely takes, but anyway... Debbie Does Dagon fucked around with this message at 10:16 on Feb 12, 2020 |
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Igotadigbick posted:At least some states have informed consent so I woudnt have to wait 3 years to be seen for an initial appointment 🤷♀️ I sympathise with your frustrations but I have to say that this is some top tier username/posting combo, something awful forums user 'Igotabigdick'
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:Starmer said trans rights during his Mumsnet AMA so I'm not entirely sure he's the FART-approved candidate u k hun? xx
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:Starmer said trans rights during his Mumsnet AMA so I'm not entirely sure he's the FART-approved candidate If you wanted to suppress the Mumsnet vote then all you need do is make sure the place they need to go is only accessible via motorway. They’re the only things they fear more than trans people.
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Feb 12, 2020 10:12
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It's a form of arranged transport. What's wrong with normal port?
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Lord Ludikrous posted:If you wanted to suppress the Mumsnet vote then all you need do is make sure the place they need to go is only accessible via motorway. “My ex-DH has moved forty minutes away and lives with my kids and their trans step-mother (who they call mum) AIBU” P: 1,2,3...1024,1025,1026
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Total Meatlove posted:“My ex-DH has moved forty minutes away and lives with my kids and their trans step-mother (who they call mum) AIBU” Cucking mumsnet terfs might be my new fetish
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Total Meatlove posted:“My ex-DH has moved forty minutes away and lives with my kids and their trans step-mother (who they call mum) AIBU” AIBU or are the strange acronyms they use intensely unsettling
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Prince John posted:They argue that women-only safe spaces, e.g. rape crisis centres, domestic violence refuges, etc. contain vulnerable traumatised women who might be triggered by people with biologically male bodies entering their safe space. They do not deny that trans women are also heavily victimised, but advocate separate safe spaces for them. Ah, separate, but equal spaces?
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ThomasPaine posted:AIBU or are the strange acronyms they use intensely unsettling Am I Being Unfair I believe (hope)
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ThomasPaine posted:AIBU or are the strange acronyms they use intensely unsettling It’s the acronyms that get me, I don’t think I’ve seen any other website that uses them as much as mumsnet does. Here are some choice excerpts from their official list. quote:
Like do these things really need acronyms as opposed to just typing normally? That last one for instance, you’re literally one character off just using the full word - which along with acronyms of 6 or more characters rather defeats the point of acronyms in the first place. As does having acronyms that have multiple meanings.
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Lord Ludikrous posted:which along with acronyms of 6 or more characters rather defeats the point of acronyms in the first place. Still a handy shortcut, but at that length you might as well ditch the acronym and coin a neologism. I call this principle MAWDTAACAN, or mordacan for linguistic convenience.
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https://twitter.com/lisanandy/status/1227362922571104258?s=21 Nandy also said nice things about this campaign, although only RLB and Rayner are on the list of signatories.
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I had to Google TSSDNCOP to see if it was a real thing, it just seems too niche. Apparently it's a West Wing reference, because of course it is
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Communities like to develop their own lingo though, however stupid, because it helps foster that sense of community - though it can also make the community insular and inaccessible to outsiders who don't spend ages lurking This thread is not without its pointless acronyms (DCFADP)
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Lord Ludikrous posted:
Darth Walrus posted:https://twitter.com/lisanandy/status/1227362922571104258?s=21 JeremoudCorbynejad posted:(DCFADP)
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Communities like to develop their own lingo though, however stupid, because it helps foster that sense of community - though it can also make the community insular and inaccessible to outsiders who don't spend ages lurking In most communities (offline too) excluding outsiders is part of the point of the jargon/slang - charitably it's basically an entrance exam that proves a newcomer to the community has invested the time to learn it. What's alarming to me about Mumsnet's particular brand of this is stuff like "darling/dear husband/wife" being the enforced term. I can't put my finger on exactly *what* makes me feel uncomfortable about it, but it just strikes me as sounding like one of those 70s sitcom completely loveless relationships, the teeth-gritted "I want to put a needle through their eye but God says we have to stay together so I'll just call them "dearest" while people are watching" kind of thing. While admittedly only ever seeing the site through the filter of posts/tweets saying "look at this poo poo" the contents of posts I've seen there have never suggested any kind of healthy or loving relationship. It might even just be the name. The site is there for women who define themselves as "mums", and people defining themselves purely as parents are always loving freaks. Kids are important, but basing your entire existence and personality through them just isn't healthy. e: It's just occurred to me that - injokes/lore aside - SA is actually one of the better communities for this, presumably because there's already a  entrance exam.
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Feb 12, 2020 12:31
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This thread is called the UKMT.
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Mods please change my username to 'Egg-White Cervical Mucus' ty
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we literally live in the UK
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Dabir posted:we literally live in the UK i actually live in wales
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goddamnedtwisto posted:In most communities (offline too) excluding outsiders is part of the point of the jargon/slang - charitably it's basically an entrance exam that proves a newcomer to the community has invested the time to learn it. As someone who has hung around on American home organizing forums since time began (flylady was my first - at least 20 years now!) - DH, DC, DS, DD, DG etc are not peculiar to mumsnet but are inherited from many American home organizing/life forums. Anyone who has been in this milieu for several years will be familiar with this terminology.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:It might even just be the name. The site is there for women who define themselves as "mums", and people defining themselves purely as parents are always loving freaks. Kids are important, but basing your entire existence and personality through them just isn't healthy. Parenthood can be an incredibly isolating, thankless, daunting, and stressful experience though. It completely makes sense that there would be such a large group devoted to helping people through the experience. It's just a shame that that also makes them easy targets for hate groups to spread their nonsense to vulnerable and trusting people
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BAA - Ban All Acronyms.
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Lord Ludikrous posted:It’s the acronyms that get me, I don’t think I’ve seen any other website that uses them as much as mumsnet does. Here are some choice excerpts from their official list. YY
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SINA - Stop Inventing New Acronyms.
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Bundy posted:Not sure I took away that we were definitely going to win as the general thread rhetoric tbh. There was a lot of optimism, sure and who could have predicted that Boris seeming inhuman and dropping every bollock he could in the media would make him seem "likeable"? there was deffo an atmosphere of insane optimism, i think intentionally embraced by some of us as a mental defence and then other people picking up on genuinely and being cruelly convinced by before we lost incredibly hard to a moron clown (at least hillary won the popular vote, christ!) since i was in from the start i dont begrudge the optimism (at least one of my friends blames me for getting his hopes up tho) but I do now think i'm looking for some introspection and changed attitudes that isn't really reflected by the people who have stayed posting here. Some of whom seem to have pivotted right from the corbyn suicide charge into an RLB suicide charge without taking a breath. Pistol_Pete posted:I'm thinking more of Labour's media appearances in recent years, where they've appeared perpetually over-wordy and defensive. Like Ronald Reagan once said: "If you're explaining, you're losing". I want to see them treating the media as the rigged game it is: a good dollop of Tory cynicism would actually do them the world of good here. yeah agreed if you could grow someone in a vat to lose to boris just on body language and facial expression it'd be kier starmer. dude has the tucker carlson face except instead of puzzlement its apologetic. he constantly looks like hes been photo'd saying "look, yes i'm very sorry but that is what happened." a sorry looking man who is well known for doing his homework and losing the brexit argument vs bojo... very inspiring. otoh a close second runner up would be RLB who looks like she's always got her lips pursed in disapproval or uncertainty. tbh none of these candidates seem like they'd give bojo any trouble apart from, as said, a pissed up thornberry
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Comrade Fakename posted:This thread is called the UKMT. UK Mumsnet Thread
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Do you not see that going all in on despair is as bad as when we went all in on hope. I feel bad about the loss now, but importantly we can't predict what is going to happen over the next few years. Irish re-unification and the break up of the UK are very real possibilities, and I don't think continually papering over things from an increasingly dying Tory press is going to help.
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I would much rather be hopeful and hurt than just... engage in protracted self harm by never hoping for anything? That's daft, it doesn't help.
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Hope is a good thing. I do not regret putting all my hope on Corbyn. I believed in him then and still do. I did not realise I lived with so many uneducated racists until election night and being a pessimist over that will not get me to change them, and it is them who need to change. I continue to choose and hope for the best candidate to keep the flame alive of the things Corbyn got me to believe in. That is RLB. I do not care about 'electability' and whatever nebulous meanings that has. I want to be true to my principles. Voting in a compromise candidate is a compromise I am not willing to follow. Blair was a compromise and look what we now have. It might take a while and I wish that were not the case, but I will continue to vote for the person who is following the correct things regardless of how well they do with the rest of the public.
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VideoGames posted:Hope is a good thing. I do not regret putting all my hope on Corbyn. I believed in him then and still do. I did not realise I lived with so many uneducated racists until election night and being a pessimist over that will not get me to change them, and it is them who need to change. 
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Communist Thoughts posted:I do now think i'm looking for some introspection and changed attitudes that isn't really reflected by the people who have stayed posting here. Some of whom seem to have pivotted right from the corbyn suicide charge into an RLB suicide charge without taking a breath. I realise that the election loss was incredibly upsetting but if your greatest concern is that you looked like a dick for being on the losing team and that must not happen again no matter the cost then you need to give yourself a serious talking to before you end up voting tory next time 
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Jippa posted:BAA - Ban All Acronyms. Ban All Acronyms Brothers for Love Achievement Culture and Knowledge Society for Health, Education, Environment and Peace
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Pilchenstein posted:Either tell us what your great wisdom has to offer on the matter or shut the gently caress up. Everyone who's gonna spend the next five years whining about electability and "learning lessons" should just skip ahead to the part where they join blue labour and throw minorities under the bus and save us all some time tbh. yeah this is more or less what i'm talking about lol a critique of RLB is somehow spun into being racist or anti immigrant??? then a bunch of posters basically accusing you of giving up hope or being a tory if you say that RLB isn't a good leadership candidate (neither are any of them) nobody on the left is worried about looking like a dick for losing, its a much more worrying problem then that: that the corbyn approach didn't work. which, y'know, it really didn't. it did at some things but not at winning elections, we got a swing and a miss against Maybot and then a massive loss against Bojo. i will still likely vote RLB, but after the run up to the election and all the corbyny hype that I was a part of too, yeah I'm not that into displays of false optimism atm i just dont think its super helpful outside of a GE e: fwiw a lot of reponders are intepreting this as "give up hope, face to despair" but like, no, just talk realistically about our chances. Communist Thoughts fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Feb 12, 2020 |
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There is no realistic idea what the chances are because it's gonna be four years til the next election, and the shape of it is going to be determined primarily by things that happen in the interim. And I think there is a much better chance with someone willing to take a principled stand on things that are important than with keir starmer trying to rejoin the EU.
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OwlFancier posted:
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https://twitter.com/imbadatlife/status/1227566484672696328 mild lol
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Dabir posted:we literally live in the UK URGH don't remind me
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