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Steve Yun posted:Korea is so hierarchical that when there was a rash of airplane accidents in the 80’s they hired consultants to help figure out what the problem was. The conclusion was that copilots were too afraid of speaking up when they noticed something wrong because the pilot might be offended/angry that a mistake was pointed out. They had to retrain everyone to speak up This still happens - Asiana had the recent issue where the younger more experienced copilot wouldn't tell the older pilot he was making a mistake landing in SFO>
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Do you all agree with the line "she is nice, because she is rich", implying that only rich people can be nice?
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Feb 12, 2020 23:09
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punk rebel ecks posted:Do you all agree with the line "she is nice, because she is rich", implying that only rich people can be nice? No, it's that it's a lot easier to be nice when you're rich. Money is an iron. It smooths out all the creases. Of course it's easier to be a nice person when you can afford a giant house with a private garden and a personal driver. It's a lot harder to stay nice when you're folding pizza boxes in a basement apartment while public fumigation fumes are pouring in to your house and lungs.
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Feb 12, 2020 23:11
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It’s up for opinions but I feel like it’s saying being rich makes it easy to be nice
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Feb 12, 2020 23:13
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Coincidentally, the niceness on all sides is just a front in the movie. The Parks look down on the Kim-types, the Kim's are scamming the parks, and the Kim's and Housekeepers literally try to murder each other. There's more nuance than the way I phrase it, but in the end, I don't think anyone comes out looking like a "nice" person.
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Feb 12, 2020 23:17
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Steve Yun posted:It’s up for opinions but I feel like it’s saying being rich makes it easy to be nice Or "nice". The Parks have the power to twist the life of their employees in all sort of subtle and hosed up ways but by superficial standards of what an upper class person should act like they're not even bad people, not openly forceful, etc. The implicit power differential does most of the work in getting compliance before it is even asked. And whenever things stop going smoothly (such as the panties incident), Mr. Park is the one who gets to play the role of the severe patriarch taking the necessary measures to protect his innocent family, ensuring that Mrs Park is one further step removed from the truth of her relationship with her employees.
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Feb 12, 2020 23:28
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YaketySass posted:Or "nice". The Parks have the power to twist the life of their employees in all sort of subtle and hosed up ways but by superficial standards of what an upper class person should act like they're not even bad people, not openly forceful, etc. The implicit power differential does most of the work in getting compliance before it is even asked. TrixRabbi posted:Shoplifters is excellent but they're incredibly different movies even if they share some key themes.
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Feb 13, 2020 00:10
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fenix down posted:Right? On rewatching it's almost insane how quickly they shed hired help. Makes me think of 30,000 people being laid off while Carly Fiorina was CEO, but she was still able to run for President. (and literally ate dog food for votes!) The Housekeeper and Housekeeper's husband saga is sad, but also pretty funny to me. They both have this admiration on towards the house that no one else has, and the husband is so proud to be operating the lights for Mr Park. What does that get them in the end? Literally nothing. The Housekeeper is fired without a hesitation, and the husband's work is not only never acknowledged by the parks, but if they knew he was down there operating the lights they would certainly be absolutely disgusted and creeped out by it. The Kim's are outright scamming the parks, but the housekeepers are totally unaware of how little they matter to the parks.
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YaketySass posted:Or "nice". The Parks have the power to twist the life of their employees in all sort of subtle and hosed up ways but by superficial standards of what an upper class person should act like they're not even bad people, not openly forceful, etc. The implicit power differential does most of the work in getting compliance before it is even asked. Yeah they're nice in the sense that they're genteel and have good manners, just like good little aristocrats, but it doesn't mean they're actually good people. That said, they're not particularly awful people either, they're just removed from people lower on the ladder by their class.
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Feb 13, 2020 00:36
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How did the son of the Kims survive after his head was smashed with a large rock twice?
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Feb 13, 2020 00:40
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Magical realism
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Feb 13, 2020 00:44
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I believe someone mentioned in an article that the Scholar Rock that he got from his friend is actually hollow, so that factored in too.
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Feb 13, 2020 00:46
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I dunno if I buy into that, but it would explain why it floated
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Feb 13, 2020 00:57
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Steve Yun posted:I dunno if I buy into that, but it would explain why it floated I read on Reddit that it wasn't floating but actually laying on top of a shelf or something. punk rebel ecks fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Feb 13, 2020 |
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Feb 13, 2020 01:06
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punk rebel ecks posted:Where is Korean Bernie Sanders? I dunno if they have a Bernie but let me tell you some poo poo From 1998 to sometime in the 2000’s the Korean govt dumped a ton of money into the arts, including picking up 50% of the tab of local movie productions. This is where the Korean new wave came from Miky Lee is a Samsung heiress and she’s been investing in the arts, like Korea’s biggest movie theater chain, a movie studio, and bankrolling movies. She went to Harvard and noticed Korean classes were empty so she became obsessed with promoting Korean culture in the west. She invested $300m in Dreamworks and pushed a lot of Korean new wave movies for distribution in the west The previous president was a conservative who complained that the movie industry was too liberal and critical of the government so somewhere around 2013-2015 they made a blacklist of 9000 artists including Bong Joonho and Miky Lee and tried to make their lives difficult. This might’ve been why Bong went to Netflix for Okja, and why Miky spent her time building up CGV theaters in the US recently That president’s dad was the previous dictator of Korea during the 60’s who was pretty totalitarian and unapologetic about it, saying that he didn’t care if he jailed too many people because he modernized Korea. The President gets arrested and sentenced to jail in 2017 for bribery, new liberal govt gets voted in and says make whatever movies you want, Parasite gets made Her brother who she shouted out went to jail for embezzlement so maybe he’s a crook but I’d rather take crooks who invest in freedom of expression Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Feb 13, 2020 |
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Feb 13, 2020 02:00
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Compendium posted:Parasite is what I would like to call "subtly blunt." It has all the message above and below the surface and it just takes some discussion to root it all out which is what makes this movie fun. It really reminds me of RoboCop. When I was a kid all of the dystopian capitalist themes flew over my head and it was just "cool robot action" movie. Versus when I rewatched it in my mid twenties and it was like holy poo poo, and the action parts were the least interesting parts.
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Feb 13, 2020 02:13
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It's less funny to say bribery when you can instead say that the president was a mouthpiece for an extremely powerful group of people literally called the Eight Fairies
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Feb 13, 2020 02:39
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Steve Yun posted:I dunno if they have a Bernie but let me tell you some poo poo Yeah but she went to Harvard and had money. Sounds like a classic “PMC” “shitlib” to me.
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Feb 13, 2020 02:56
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Yeah so here’s the fun stuff: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/hayesbrown/a-scandal-cuts-to-the-seoul-of-south-korea
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Feb 13, 2020 02:59
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I have more question about Korea if you guys don't mind?Steve Yun posted:I dunno if they have a Bernie but let me tell you some poo poo Wow interesting. More countries should invest in their industries.
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Feb 13, 2020 03:20
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Also, how did the previous home keeper not notice that the shelf couldn't move because there was something under it? Who put that under the shelf?
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Feb 13, 2020 03:22
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I assume it was just there by random accident
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Feb 13, 2020 03:31
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Steve Yun posted:Spoiler That shot will forever haunt me more than any horror video game or movie ever
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Feb 13, 2020 03:57
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Yeah, single best shot of 2019
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Feb 13, 2020 04:00
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Steve Yun posted:I assume it was just there by random accident The box to the heating grill (was that what it was?) was visible in a shot on top of the cabinet, so presumably it just fell down at some point when people were getting plum extract or moving the cabinet.
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Feb 13, 2020 04:10
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Steve Yun posted:Yeah, single best shot of 2019 I think seeing it in a big theater screen really enhanced it too, it wouldn't be quite the same if someone was streaming it on a computer or even a big scree TV (although I guess for the latter, it'd look pretty drat good bc TV screens are loving huge these days)
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Even on my 55 inch tv sitting close to the screen, I could see the limits of pixel resolution in his eyes which I didn’t see in the theater, so this might be an actual reason for me to get 4K if they ever make one of this Reminds me of the Lawrence of Arabia dvd, when Lawrence goes looking for a lost guy and his companion sits and waits for him to come back. When Lawrence returns you can see a dot on the horizon, two pixels tall on the bluray, letting you know he made it back. On the dvd you see nothing because there isn’t enough resolution.
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Feb 13, 2020 04:24
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saw this a few weeks back with Bong Joon-ho and Kang-Ho Song doing QA after and they said there were no clear villains in this. i know that's already been mentioned in this thread but i'm having a hard time understanding why people think this is a left-wing hero movie?
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It’s not a left wing leaning movie in the sense that it advocates for socialism or whatever, it just skewers capitalism and classism which by extension helps bolster leftist arguments. But if you’re, say, an anarchist, you could probably use this movie to help your point as well.
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punk rebel ecks posted:So I'm in the middle of watching this film and I don't get how the family can't figure out a plan on what to do with the old housekeeper and her husband. Isn't it obvious that they could just make a deal with them that they could continue living in the house in exchange for them not ratting the family out? Or am I missing something? Yes if there was class solidarity everything would have worked out, but there wasn’t. There’s basement people, and then there’s sub-basement people
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Steve Yun posted:Korea is so hierarchical that when there was a rash of airplane accidents in the 80’s they hired consultants to help figure out what the problem was. The conclusion was that copilots were too afraid of speaking up when they noticed something wrong because the pilot might be offended/angry that a mistake was pointed out. They had to retrain everyone to speak up This theory has been popularized by Malcolm Gladwell and is pretty well dissected here: http://askakorean.blogspot.com/2013/07/culturalism-gladwell-and-airplane.html?m=1 It may have some kernel of truth but as presented it's mostly just rank orientalism.
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Yeah, I’ll concede on the airline pilot thing, everyone erase it from your memories!
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Feb 13, 2020 09:04
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I just won this shirt from my local cinema: 
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punk rebel ecks posted:Where is Korean Bernie Sanders? Dunno, but this was North Korean Bernie  he dead now
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punk rebel ecks posted:How did the son of the Kims survive after his head was smashed with a large rock twice? dude who did it was loving tired considering the circumstances I'm not even kidding that's my read
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Alan Smithee posted:dude who did it was loving tired considering the circumstances People survive some crazy things. And sometimes they die from an infection from an ingrown toenail. The human body is bizarre and unpredictable.
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ShoogaSlim posted:saw this a few weeks back with Bong Joon-ho and Kang-Ho Song doing QA after and they said there were no clear villains in this. i know that's already been mentioned in this thread but i'm having a hard time understanding why people think this is a left-wing hero movie? That being said - if they actually make a Parasite series I hope they continue keeping the characters center stage and the messages more subtle. I wasn't a fan of Okja because the "point" was so bluntly overt.
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fenix down posted:It's left wing in the same way Ricky Gervais is right-wing for "tellin' it like it is" to the "Hollywood elites"! Sometimes people see what they wanna see instead of engaging with the content, like the whole uproar over the Joker trailer. No it's definitely left wing--Bong's been pretty clear about it being a critique of capitalism. It's just not left wing in the cartoon/shitpost 'let's kill all the rich people because they're monsters' sense, but rather 'the capitalist system we live in stratifies us in ways that dehumanize us all.'
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