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BigBallChunkyTime
Nov 25, 2011

Kyle Schwarber: World Series hero, Beefy Lad, better than you.

Illegal Hen

ToxicSlurpee posted:

My plan for defending my home if I'm ever attacked there is to poo poo myself, whimper in the corner, and give the burglar whatever he wants.

Just yell "STOP! STOP! YOU'RE GIVING ME AN ERECTION!" and hope the burglar is uncomfortable enough to leave.

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Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

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bobjr posted:

If we’re working with a budget is a poleaxe acceptable?

I don't think so, you really want the range of a halberd. If you're living in like a tiny New York apartment or some other situation where a halberd just isn't practical, your best option would be a buckler and a gladius.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Aramek posted:

Y'all are missing the point. The Borg are non humans, which means they don't count as people, so who gives a poo poo?

The borg is a collective. The borg is not people, the borg is person.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

And that person is a dick.

BaldDwarfOnPCP
Jun 26, 2019

by Pragmatica

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

I'll join the NHA if you start it

You got the abbrev wrong. “Hotrod” is two words for some reason so NHRA

Guyver
Dec 5, 2006

Gripweed posted:

That only solves the penetration issue, none of the other problems I brought up

00 has better drywall penetration than small rifle and pistol rounds.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
Everyone should use a Snider-Enfield with bayonet fixed, and it should be legal that if the robber bests you then they were in the right

doverhog
May 31, 2013

Defender of democracy and human rights 🇺🇦

Gripweed posted:

This is going to sound like a joke or a bit, but it's not, it is 100% my genuine opinion. Hell, it's not even an opinion, it's a fact. If you want a weapon for home defense, a halberd is a better option than any firearm. You hear somebody break in, what do you do? Do you fumble with your gun safe, trying to remember the combination and unlock it in the dark, then fumble with the bullets and load your gun in the dark too? Or do you just grab you halberd off the wall? If you got your gun I hope you line alone in your house. If you have family members or neighbors I hope you're totally OK with the chance one of your bullets will go through the wall and into their lungs and they'll drown in their own blood because you decided a gun was "cooler" than a halberd. You have a gun, the intruder sees you, he rushes you, what do you do? Better hope you don't miss, better hope you actually can fire a gun at another person even though people in literal wars often can't. But if you have a halberd, he's not gonna rush you because you have a loving giant metal spike pointed directly at him. A halberd keeps your opponent at a distance better than any gun.

It is inarguable that a halberd is a better weapon for home defense than a gun. Anyone who disagrees has been brainwashed by the NRA, just likes to imagine themself as a movie hero, or is secretly praying for a second civil war.

You utter fool. A halberd is far too long for use inside a building. It's a formation weapon, almost like a pike. You can't even turn with that thing indoors.

A gladius is pretty good, stabby! But a rapier is the best dueling sword ever created, and for killing one unarmored opponent with no sword to defend themselves with there is no better option.

*also poleaxes were higher status and more expensive than halberds, they were knightly weapons, unlike halberds

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I do concede that a halberd is more suited for houses than apartments, you're overstating how unwieldy they are. A halberd is only like six feet long. And you aren't going to be swinging it around, just pointing it at the intruder. That's totally manageable in the average American suburban house.

And as for your rapier argument, not everyone is a skilled duelist. A rapier might be a better weapon in the hand of someone who knows what they're doing, but we're talking about practical home defense for the average person. The buckler+gladius combo allows you to protect yourself, bash your opponent, and hold your opponent back, all while slashing/stabbing at them.

doverhog
May 31, 2013

Defender of democracy and human rights 🇺🇦
What's the scenario you are envisioning in which a buckler will be useful?

artsy fartsy
May 10, 2014

You'll be ahead instead of behind. Hello!

Gripweed posted:

I liked all three Cloverfield movies. Cloverfield Paradox didn't live up to it's potential, but it was still an enjoyable spooky sci-fi movie.

Absolutely agree with this.

I really wanted to like the Conjure-verse, but ugh.

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doverhog posted:

What's the scenario you are envisioning in which a buckler will be useful?

Mainly creating a little space between yourself and your opponent, and also for bashing

doverhog
May 31, 2013

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If you stab them with a rapier they will be dead and there is no need for space or bashing.

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doverhog posted:

If you stab them with a rapier they will be dead and there is no need for space or bashing.

You can not reasonably expect the average American to be able to take down their opponent in a single strike. You are demanding a level of swordsmanship from the general populace that is simply unrealistic.

doverhog
May 31, 2013

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A thrust with a rapier is easier to accomplish than the same with a halberd, considering all the ease of use and deployment factors. Also if the thrust is all you are interested in, there is no reason to use a halberd over, say, a spear. If you really are hellbent on using a polearm.

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The halberd gives you distance! And is absolutely easier to use than a sword! That's literally the entire concept of pole weapons! Any villager can menacingly thrust a pole in someone's direction!

I'm not having this argument with you anymore, you absurd rapier fetishist.

doverhog
May 31, 2013

Defender of democracy and human rights 🇺🇦
We were not talking about the merits of polearms in general, you started it with something that happens inside a house. Swords were always the 1 weapon for indoor fighting because they could be carried on the hip easily and used in close quarters. Polearms were weapons of war, for when you marched in the open and your weapon was handed to you from a wagon before the battle was about to start.

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Oct 15, 2012

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Biscuit Hider
Train your family to take up a phalanx formation, you loving idiots

Seriously 2.0
May 14, 2009

by Cyrano4747
What if the burglar also got a rapier?

I mean, I'd expertly use my katana, but as established most swinish americans must use simple armaments.

I think a pitchfork would work best. All americans got one for their farmstead, and then they got a reach advantage!

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

You idiots don't have home defense gunblades?

doverhog
May 31, 2013

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Seriously 2.0 posted:

What if the burglar also got a rapier?

I mean, I'd expertly use my katana, but as established most swinish americans must use simple armaments.

I think a pitchfork would work best. All americans got one for their farmstead, and then they got a reach advantage!

Katana is garbage, fit for slaughtering peasants. A spear is superior to a pitchfork in every way, and would look less weird on your wall too.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

I suppose that's all well and good for you impious wretches who haven't forsworn the use of edged weapons but for the rest of us, the humble quarterstaff remains the ideal tool for the gentle correction of any itinerant thieves or Anglicans.

doverhog
May 31, 2013

Defender of democracy and human rights 🇺🇦
I hope you received a blessing, or an amulet, or at least got laid before your impending death, when you gave up edged weapons in favour of a stick.

Seriously 2.0
May 14, 2009

by Cyrano4747
Nice try, but I won't demean myself with a peasant weapon. You pigherders can use a stick with a pointy bit on it, I'll do sick iaijutsu to cross-split robbers like in sekiro. As an added bonus all them wenches will pop right out of their corsets. Have you ever seen someone get laid with a spear? I think not.

doverhog
May 31, 2013

Defender of democracy and human rights 🇺🇦
If you are getting laid with a spear that would be rape, after you sacked a city. It's a weapon of war. Swords are sidearms for a civilized time.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
Just spray .50 cal fire in the direction of the intruders imo

BaldDwarfOnPCP
Jun 26, 2019

by Pragmatica

christmas boots posted:

Train your family to take up a phalanx formation, you loving idiots

A phalanx is for advancing. Clearly you mean a tortoise for home defense unless you’re one of those “stand your ground” psychos who likes shooting people in the back anywhere inside the sidewalk perimeter

doverhog
May 31, 2013

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Personally I'd vote for Bernie so he can use socialism to cure crime.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

doverhog posted:

If you stab them with a rapier they will be dead and there is no need for space or bashing.

What are you going to do while you wait for them to leak to death? Bleeding out takes time.

coronavirus
Jan 27, 2020

by Cyrano4747
The Borg are immoral computerized space vampires and should be exterminated without consideration of any Geneva convention, just like you'd kill termites eating a house or spyware toolbars on your Windows 98 PC.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Ugly In The Morning posted:

What are you going to do while you wait for them to leak to death? Bleeding out takes time.

Stab again

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Just spray .50 cal fire in the direction of the intruders imo

It's illegal to shoot people with .50 cal bullets. You have to aim for their canteen. Also a .50 cal bullet can take a man's arm off even if it misses because it creates a vacuum of super heated air around it. Also a guy with a .50 cal bolt action rifle can shoot down a 747.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Aphrodite posted:

You idiots don't have home defense gunblades?

I have a door. It's enough to deter about 100% of home invasions in a society that hasn't completely broken down.

Gripweed
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Jerry Cotton posted:

I have a door. It's enough to deter about 100% of home invasions in a society that hasn't completely broken down.

The real trick is to have hundreds of false doors. Only you know which ones are real. Nobody can break in because nobody but you knows where the door is.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

100% of home invasions happen in homes with doors.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Aphrodite posted:

100% of home invasions happen in homes with doors.

That's... not true :confused:

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

Solice Kirsk posted:

Also a guy with a .50 cal bolt action rifle can shoot down a 747.

This one is the dumbest because I’ve heard it spoken by an actual politician who said the bullet was “heat seeking”.

Pastry of the Year
Apr 12, 2013

Gripweed posted:

The real trick is to have hundreds of false doors. Only you know which ones are real. Nobody can break in because nobody but you knows where the door is.

Statistically, if Jerry Cotton opens one of the doors, you should switch doors.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Jerry Cotton posted:

That's... not true :confused:

It's not a home invasion if they didn't bypass a door. That's just a home occupation.

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doverhog
May 31, 2013

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coronavirus posted:

The Borg are immoral computerized space vampires and should be exterminated without consideration of any Geneva convention, just like you'd kill termites eating a house or spyware toolbars on your Windows 98 PC.

Are they though? We know from Hugh and Seven of Nine that Borg can become "human" again if removed from the collective. We know from Unimatrix Zero that Borg drones retain some levels of independent thought and memory.

If we accept that Borg drones can be saved, and that Janeway's virus killed most of them, that would make her possibly the greatest mass murderer in the history of the universe.

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