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Shard
Jul 30, 2005

Spiderdrake posted:

To be more positive, here is a Squirrel going all gently caress the police on our anti-Squirrel bird feeder


gently caress SQUIRRELS!

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DMorbid
Jan 6, 2011

With our special guest star, RUSH! YAYYYYYYYYY

extradite THIS! posted:

The one thing I absolutely can’t stand is kids being indoctrinated into a religion from birth, though
When I was in elementary school in the mid to late 90s, seemingly the entire faculty of the school consisted of ultra-religious wingnuts so I got a larger dose of Jesus than most people my age in Finland probably did. I didn't even think there was anything weird about it at the time, but now when I look back at it and talk to people about it it's like "what the gently caress?"

edit: our religion and music teacher has since gone on to do campaign work for a right-wing anti-immigration, anti-LGBT party, which sounds about right for that particular person

DMorbid fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Feb 14, 2020

coconono
Aug 11, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 6 hours!
a squirrel taught me all the cuss words so they are ok in my book.

TTBF
Sep 14, 2005



Spikegal posted:

This is super interesting. What is old Atheism vs new Atheism and what is animist?

Animism is the belief that all living creatures are imbued with a soul or spirit. From there it can get pretty loose and is person to person. The closest thing to an organized form of animism that I know is Shinto, which I am not. It is sometimes pantheistic (as Shinto is), sometimes it is monotheistic (think Mother Earth is a single Living Organism and we are Her cells), and sometimes it is atheistic. I would go more into the later but that just comes down to nitpicking the differences between minor deities and major spirits.

Old atheism is basic rear end atheism. There are no gods. The end.

New Atheism is a secular cult currently led by Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris. They are two of the "four horsemen of the atheist apocalypse" destined to bring down organized religion. The third is Christopher Hitchens, and the fourth is a philosopher no one recalls because he debates in good faith and will cede points for the sake of debate. They take an aggressive and reactionary approach to harassing and insulting anyone who doesn't align with their beliefs. This includes deciding to go anti-feminist because one New Atheist woman said "don't hit on women who are strangers after hearing them talk about how they don't like strangers hitting on them". They loving suck, but they're really good at drawing people in during the exact timeframe they'd be most likely to rebel against religion.

e: A pretty cool thing in Shinto is that if you pour enough care and respect into a tool or object over a long enough period of time (usually 100+ years) it can gain a spirit as if it were a living creature.

TTBF fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Feb 14, 2020

a cyborg mug
Mar 8, 2010



Doc M posted:

When I was in elementary school in the mid to late 90s, seemingly the entire faculty of the school consisted of ultra-religious wingnuts so I got a larger dose of Jesus than most people my age in Finland probably did. I didn't even think there was anything weird about it at the time, but now when I look back at it and talk to people about it it's like "what the gently caress?"

edit: our religion and music teacher has since gone on to do campaign work for a right-wing anti-immigration, anti-LGBT party, which sounds about right for that particular person

Yeah, this poo poo is extremely not allowed anymore under the current curriculum, and hasn’t been for decades. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen in religious areas though... Religion class in school must be non-denominational, which means for example I too could teach, say, Orthodox Christianity or Islam if there was need for it for some reason.

coconono
Aug 11, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 6 hours!
Richard Dawkins leads a life of unintentional comedy. His intro for The God Virus made me piss my pants in laughter.

I told this to the atheist lady who recommended it and she never talked to me again.

Spiderdrake
May 12, 2001



Spikegal posted:

gently caress SQUIRRELS!
Squirrels are wonderful, friend.

We have a one armed squirrel I go out of my way to feed but she's so fluffy lately you can't tell she's missing most of a limb.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Spikegal posted:

This is super interesting. What is old Atheism vs new Atheism and what is animist?

I was kinda into the New Atheist thing for while. I was an angry, confused, spiritually empty young man and it was the early 2000s so religious fundamentalism seemed a problem between Al'Qaeda and the Bush White House. Funny to describe it as a more innocent time but it kind of was.

I'd grown up with an atheist mother and agnostic father in a country as secular as you can be with a state church and sectarian schools (technically most schools in Scotland are linked to the Church of Scotland though there are some Catholic Schools too and maybe 1 Muslim one. All it really meant was the Jehovah's Witnesses kids got out of RE so they could do their homework. Was mad jealous) and once I was old enough to think about these things I straddled the line between agnostic and atheist while instinctively being uncomfortable with agnosticism because it felt a bit woolly.

Skip forward a couple years and out comes The God Delusion and whatever Hitchens book was called. (God Is Not Great?) I was reading nonfiction voraciously and these spoke to me. There was stuff I didn't like, such as even then Sam Harris seemed a bit weird about Islam in particular, and Hitchens was a huge booster for the Iraq invasion at a time I was protesting it but on the whole I appreciated a basic philosophical basis for my anti-religious viewpoint.

Move forward more time and Hitchens continues to be an rear end in a top hat and then dies, Sam Harris gets even more blatant in his Islamophobia and then some sexual harassment happens to a woman from the Skepchick site at a skeptics convention (incidentally, god they sound awful) and Dawkins reveals himself to be a skeevy old man who has no idea about consent when he writes a letter about it asking if we're not wanting men to approach women at all. So my politics of socialism and social justice and just not being a oval office come into conflict with my thoughts on religion and there was only going to be one winner there.

Most of the New Atheism crowd seemed to end up sharing platforms with your Jordan Peterson's and dingbats like that. Deeply regrettable. I am still an atheist in the strict sense that I believe there is no God but generally the concern is more capitalism these days than religious fundamentalists and I'm proud to stand shoulder to shoulder and call a believer a comrade on a picket line or wherever. There's certainly been times when I've envied religious believers the comfort they gain from that but the problem always comes down to me not believing in a benevolent god.

But yeah New Atheism was a mistake.

jesus WEP
Oct 17, 2004


Is ac grayling the other one because he isn’t so bad

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


jesus WEP posted:

Is ac grayling the other one because he isn’t so bad

Dan Dennett

coconono
Aug 11, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 6 hours!
atheist that aren't trapped in their own dogma loop will concede that the universe is a creation of intentionality.

yea ok
Jul 27, 2006

Yeah i believe in God..not

SatansOnion
Dec 12, 2011

jesus WEP posted:

Is ac grayling the other one because he isn’t so bad

maybe PZ Meyers? last I checked (which I admit was a while back) he came off as an okay dude

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


SatansOnion posted:

maybe PZ Meyers? last I checked (which I admit was a while back) he came off as an okay dude

Nah it was Daniel Dennett but yeah, Myers at least avoided the horrid reactionary turn a lot of them took.

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

I'm an atheist and the New Atheism folks absolutely suck. Humans are hard wired to look for patterns where they don't exist and to come up with explanations for an irrational world. I have my own absolutely irrational rituals that help me make sense of the world and so does everyone else. To try to deny it is to deny part of what makes us human.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

My mother had a period of interest in the Church for like a year when I was about 10-years-old, made us go every Sunday and I hated it. Not the religion itself, I grew up being taught the broad (and very sanitized) strokes of Christianity and it all made a basic kind of sense to me: God created the world, got mad, calmed down, Jesus told everybody to stop being dicks to each other, we're all gonna get saved in the end but we should make things good in the meantime etc. What I hated was having to sit in a boring room for a few hours on a precious Sunday when I could have been at home drawing Transformers or spending the day loving about on my bike with my buddies. One day we were running late to Church and my mother was getting incredibly agitated about it, we arrived at the Church after the service started and she didn't want to walk in late so we just turned around and went home... and we never went back. I was VERY happy.

I still think religion is a fine thing for people who get something out of it, but I am very much of the mindset that if you have faith, you express that in the way that works for you and so long as you're not hurting other people then good for you, have a blast. But my free time is my free time, I'm going to enjoy it my way, and that doesn't involve the Church.

Incessant Excess
Aug 15, 2005

Cause of glitch:
Pretentiousness

Jerusalem posted:

One day we were running late to Church and my mother was getting incredibly agitated about it, we arrived at the Church after the service started and she didn't want to walk in late so we just turned around and went home... and we never went back.

Condemning your entire family to eternal damnation in order to play with transformers, pretty badass honestly.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Heaven is finding the missing fists for my Optimus Prime toy :colbert:

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

seems like every time you get a bigger 'tar, they increase the allotted size. pretty smart. pretty savvy

Spiderdrake
May 12, 2001



Jerusalem posted:

Heaven is finding the missing fists for my Optimus Prime toy :colbert:
I'd say you should hit up some part parties, but I don't think you're North American so I don't know your local con scene.

And also part parties scare me.

Incessant Excess
Aug 15, 2005

Cause of glitch:
Pretentiousness

Spiderdrake posted:

And also part parties scare me.

They're really quite fun, just the drop the transformer you brought into the bowl and see where the night takes you from there.

Chinston Wurchill
Jun 27, 2010

It's not that kind of test.

Eat My Fuc
May 29, 2007

someone answer the dam phone

ChrisBTY
Mar 29, 2012

this glorious monument

At some point belief without reason became anathema to me. I yearn for reason to triumph over faith. But even then I have to accept the question becomes "then what?" Reason shows us that humanity is broken, the sky is silent and death is oblivion. It feels like I'm condemning people to be like me, which isn't great.

Spiderdrake posted:

I'd say you should hit up some part parties, but I don't think you're North American so I don't know your local con scene.

And also part parties scare me.

Wait, is this a real thing?

ChrisBTY fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Feb 15, 2020

Spiderdrake
May 12, 2001



ChrisBTY posted:

Wait, is this a real thing?
Yeah. TF fans with old damaged stuff will gather at cons and trade/sell parts to repair said old damaged stuff.

coconono
Aug 11, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 6 hours!
Transformers is also one of the more stable fandoms. You don't hear about them verbally berating an actor or director for continuity flubs. That said, I would kill for an animated series of The Wreckers doing Wrecking poo poo. Animate your comics, cowardly IDW.

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


Bring back Beast Wars

WatermelonGun
May 7, 2009

Big Huski Boi posted:

Bring back Beast Wars

pretty sure you’re getting monkey pawed with this already

Orange Carlisle
Jul 14, 2007

Beast Wars CG didn't age well but that show ruled at the time

coconono
Aug 11, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 6 hours!
Looking back at Season 1 of Discovery, that I've just finished.

Storyline-wise, its an alternate universe, I don't care who says its Kelvin canon. They show the Enterprise and the design is very different than TOS Enterprise. That said, its a its a straight forward story about an idealistic organization vs reality. Its a lot more honest than other Trek shows about the general vile nature of organizations.

As a scifi show, I dig it. The trek nerd in me is bummed they didn't just make up a new alien race instead of shoehorning muslim analogues into the already complicated history of the Klingon Empire. Or the return of TOS-style tech. The cast is cute, the story's insane and the effects are neat, its pretty good scifi imo.

Captain Magic
Apr 4, 2005

Yes, we have feathers--but the muscles of men.

coconono posted:

Transformers is also one of the more stable fandoms. You don't hear about them verbally berating an actor or director for continuity flubs. That said, I would kill for an animated series of The Wreckers doing Wrecking poo poo. Animate your comics, cowardly IDW.

loving LOL

Let me talk to you about something called proper toy scale, my friend

I love Transformers and have spent a king’s ransom on stupid plastic bits; our community here is actually pretty cool; but TF fans generally are loving diehard grognards of the worst order

Captain Magic fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Feb 15, 2020

Spiderdrake
May 12, 2001



Captain Magic posted:

loving LOL

Let me talk to you about something called proper toy scale, my friend
To be honest I've worked cons with hamster and been to a bunch otherwise, and the community is actually pretty good outside of the toxic helldumps

and that dude who ran a convention that yelled at a person in a wheelchair for sitting down in line

Captain Magic
Apr 4, 2005

Yes, we have feathers--but the muscles of men.
I guess my reading is poisoned beyond here because of FB groups and TFW2005.

Everyone here is really neat, though.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!
So for Valentine's Day, my wife and I watch horror movies. Our first V-Day date was an advance showing of the remake of The Evil Dead because nothing says "love and devotion" like "chainsaws and blood."

Tonight's offering was a new movie called VFW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUSSUpTGhZw

My daughter called it OK Boomer - the Movie.

I myself loved every drat thing about this film It has the look and soundtrack of the original Assault on Precinct 13 with the stylized violence of a 70’s exploitation flick. It felt like The Expendables to see David Patrick Kelly, Martin Kove, George Wendt, Fred “The Hammer” Williamson, Willam Sadler, and Stephen “Gently Caressing’” Lang go all Wild Bunch on mutant punks. Yeah, it was heavy on nostalgia and a bit rah-rah, but gently caress me if this wasn't just a plain and over-the-top FUN movie.

This film might become part of my yearly Fourth of July movie watch along with Gettysburg.

CobiWann fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Feb 15, 2020

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012


My birthday was hell and Valentine's the day after was hell, as is tradition, but at least I saw a perfect movie in between (Birds of Prey. Margot Robbie as Harley still the best part of DC :woop:)

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

happy birthday

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



coconono posted:

Looking back at Season 1 of Discovery, that I've just finished.

Storyline-wise, its an alternate universe, I don't care who says its Kelvin canon. They show the Enterprise and the design is very different than TOS Enterprise. That said, its a its a straight forward story about an idealistic organization vs reality. Its a lot more honest than other Trek shows about the general vile nature of organizations.
The first season keeps it vague which timeline it's in, but the second sets it firmly in the Prime timeline. Pointing at superficial design changes isn't really the best proof of either, since they certainly were never going to keep a 50+ year old ship design made for SD film beyond its basic shape.

wicka
Jun 28, 2007


I haven't seen any of Discovery but people were complaining about Picard being too dark and it made me wonder if everyone just forgot about DS9.

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

i recommended itaewon class in this post before finding out it deals with a transgender character in a way that might not be something people here want to see given the backwardsness and/or behind-the-times nature of that stuff in the country of origin. it might be the most progressive kdrama i've seen from that angle given that there is even a sympathetic trans character to begin with but the story with said character and how they are treated would probably bum a lot of people out and the actor playing the character is not actually trans which could be an issue for some people, not really sure about that part. but i'm editing the recommendation to more of a warning and wishing it wasn't like that. piss and poo poo as they say.

Cavauro fucked around with this message at 05:52 on Feb 15, 2020

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NienNunb
Feb 15, 2012

DS9 Best Trek

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