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Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

Mithaldu posted:

That's a valid guess, but i want to know the actual words that constitute the reason the CDU rejects cooperation with Die Linke.

I think there are Abgrenzungsbeschlüsse, though my access to CDU interna is limited.

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Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





Congratulations to Friedrich Merz for falling rear end-backwards into the CDU leadership in the year before a seemingly unwinnable election

I say seemingly because he's going to win by going full Trump and openly courting the AfD lmao

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

How long will it take for Merz CDU to coalition with the AFD? 2 days
Will the party regulars hold the lines? No
Will the left wing of the CDU fight to the end? No
Will Saddam be killed? Yes

skipThings
May 21, 2007

Tell me more about this
"Wireless fun-adaptor" you were speaking of.
https://twitter.com/AugustBembel/status/1226636635544211458

Peggotty
May 9, 2014

Venomous posted:

Congratulations to Friedrich Merz for falling rear end-backwards into the CDU leadership in the year before a seemingly unwinnable election

Seemingly unwinnable? It's almost unloseable. Do you think the Greens will surge to 32% or something?

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





cebrail posted:

Seemingly unwinnable? It's almost unloseable. Do you think the Greens will surge to 32% or something?

I mean, folks were saying on the last page that Merz would turn off women (and probably :decorum: types too) from voting CDU, but that's probably bullshit

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

cebrail posted:

Seemingly unwinnable? It's almost unloseable. Do you think the Greens will surge to 32% or something?

In the polls last year, they did.

No idea if that's still the case now, though :shrug:

Honj Steak
May 31, 2013

Hi there.
We might have a Thüringen-style situation federally where there is no coalition possible because either the AfD or the Linke are needed to create a government.

Peggotty
May 9, 2014

Libluini posted:

In the polls last year, they did.

No, they did not.


Honj Steak posted:

We might have a Thüringen-style situation federally where there is no coalition possible because either the AfD or the Linke are needed to create a government.

That's some fascist delusion, Jesus Christ. Even if both parties would reach double the amount of their repective best ever result in a poll they'd still below 50% combined. No we might not have a Thüringen-style sitation federelly, that's completely outside the realm of possibility.

Peggotty fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Feb 11, 2020

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

cebrail posted:

That's some fascist delusion, Jesus Christ.

Even if you think someone is mistaken, calling them directly or indirectly "fascist" for no reason is decidedly not cool, hth

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

cebrail posted:

No, they did not.


That's some fascist delusion, Jesus Christ. Even if both parties would reach double the amount of their repective best ever result in a poll they'd still below 50% combined. No we might not have a Thüringen-style sitation federelly, that's completely outside the realm of possibility.

Yes they did, the Sonntagsfrage-poll was posted in this very thread.

The next coalition will probably be Greens/CDU or Greens/Linke/SPD, depending on how the votes for the lesser parties fall out.

Peggotty
May 9, 2014

System Metternich posted:

Even if you think someone is mistaken, calling them directly or indirectly "fascist" for no reason is decidedly not cool, hth

I didn't call anyone fascist, I called one specific prognosis a fascist delusion because it relies on the assumption that the AfD will get to 35%+ in the next federal election. That's a highly improbable scenario that Nazis dream of. I.e. a fascist delusion. Sometimes people get caught up in those without being fascist themselves but it's still important to call it out.

Libluini posted:

Yes they did, the Sonntagsfrage-poll was posted in this very thread.

The next coalition will probably be Greens/CDU or Greens/Linke/SPD, depending on how the votes for the lesser parties fall out.

Can you show it to me? Wikipedia shows 26% as the highest monthly median.



That was also the only time they were ever on top of the CDU/CSU. It is certainly possible that they'll be ahead of the Union in 2021, but calling it "probably" is very obviously wrong.

Sereri
Sep 30, 2008

awwwrigami

System Metternich posted:

Even if you think someone is mistaken, calling them directly or indirectly "fascist" for no reason is decidedly not cool, hth

Seems like something a fascist might say :thunk:

BabyFur Denny
Mar 18, 2003

Libluini posted:

The next coalition will probably be Greens/CDU or Greens/Linke/SPD, depending on how the votes for the lesser parties fall out.

nice implicit burn on the SPD

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:
https://twitter.com/CheckYourInfo/status/1227229546895872002

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

cebrail posted:

I didn't call anyone fascist, I called one specific prognosis a fascist delusion because it relies on the assumption that the AfD will get to 35%+ in the next federal election. That's a highly improbable scenario that Nazis dream of. I.e. a fascist delusion. Sometimes people get caught up in those without being fascist themselves but it's still important to call it out.


Can you show it to me? Wikipedia shows 26% as the highest monthly median.



That was also the only time they were ever on top of the CDU/CSU. It is certainly possible that they'll be ahead of the Union in 2021, but calling it "probably" is very obviously wrong.

OK, so I can't find it anymore. Most likely thing, I saw this 26% Umfrage and later just rounded up, because optimism.

That said, saying a Green/CDU coalition isn't probable because it could be a CDU/Green coalition instead is some high-level pedantry I can't even begin to match, so I concede the argument.




Oh hey, seems like the AfD saw the SPD destroying itself and are suddenly like, "Hold my beer". :v:

Smirr
Jun 28, 2012

Libluini posted:

Oh hey, seems like the AfD saw the SPD destroying itself and are suddenly like, "Hold my beer". :v:

This will have 0 negative consequences for the AfD. When a judge laughs this case out of court, their base will just have another notch in the ol' "Unrechtsstaat" bedpost. If they get a real loving chud of a judge (a "chudge", if you will) who agrees with them, welp.

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

Smirr posted:

This will have 0 negative consequences for the AfD. When a judge laughs this case out of court, their base will just have another notch in the ol' "Unrechtsstaat" bedpost. If they get a real loving chud of a judge (a "chudge", if you will) who agrees with them, welp.

If it ever makes it to a judge in the first place. This ain't 'murica, where you can indict without facts.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Randler posted:

If it ever makes it to a judge in the first place. This ain't 'murica, where you can indict without facts.

They could try to get her committed in Bavaria, maybe?

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

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genericnick posted:

They could try to get her committed in Bavaria, maybe?

I thought Bavaria only illegally indicted people to give them low-sec Festungshaft and prevent them from mandatory deportation back to Austria?

Smirr
Jun 28, 2012

quote:

[...] Damit aber nicht genug: Nun gibt auch noch die erst vor 14 Monaten gewählte CDU-Vorsitzende Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer auf, weil sie erkennbar nicht einmal mehr genug Autorität gegenüber ihrem Thüringer Landesverband hatte, um den von seinem Irrsinnsplan mit der AfD abzuhalten oder wenigstens nach dem schnellen Ende dieser Mesalliance Neuwahlen zu akzeptieren

Eine Sozialdemokratisierung der ganz besonderen Art, denn eine derart kurze Verweildauer im Parteivorsitz kennt man sonst nur aus der SPD. Dahinter steckt der Niedergang der zweiten deutschen Volkspartei. Nach der SPD schafft es auch die CDU nicht mehr, den Spannungsbogen innerhalb ihrer Partei aufrechtzuerhalten. [...]

quote:

Ein Weckruf. Von SIGMAR GABRIEL
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/sigmar-gabriel-zu-thueringen-und-den-folgen-raus-aus-der-mentalen-gefangenschaft-der-afd/25535100.html

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Randler posted:

I thought Bavaria only illegally indicted people to give them low-sec Festungshaft and prevent them from mandatory deportation back to Austria?

There is also the mental illness of "knowing about financial crimes from your ex-wife", though I can't really rememer the guy's name.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011


Man, AfD and Höcke are killing it right now.

AfD should definitely be in the forbes top 100 successful Nazi parties to look out for list

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

genericnick posted:

There is also the mental illness of "knowing about financial crimes from your ex-wife", though I can't really rememer the guy's name.

Was it also Bavaria that early retired tax auditors with doctored (:razz:) health checks because lack of tax enforcement is "Standortförderung", or was that Hessen?

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Randler posted:

Was it also Bavaria that early retired tax auditors with doctored (:razz:) health checks because lack of tax enforcement is "Standortförderung", or was that Hessen?

""Steuerfahnder-Affäre – Wikipedia" posted:

Die Steuerfahnder-Affäre (manchmal auch Paranoia-Affäre) ist eine politische Affäre mit juristischen Folgen um die behauptete Ausschaltung von Steuerfahndern bei der erfolgreichen Ausübung ihrer Dienstpflichten mithilfe von Dienstanweisungen, Versetzungen, organisatorischer Umstrukturierung, psychiatrischen Gutachten und Zwangspensionierung. Sie waren im Finanzamt Frankfurt V tätig. Den vier hessischen Steuerfahndern Rudolf Schmenger, Marco Wehner sowie den Eheleuten Heiko und Tina Feser wurde in nahezu wortgleichen Gutachten „paranoid-querulatorische Entwicklung“ oder auch eine Anpassungsstörung[1] attestiert. Diese Beamten wurden im Dezember 2015 in letzter Instanz rehabilitiert. Der Psychiater Thomas Holzmann, der auch nach dem Urteil des Gießener Gerichts von 2009 von weitgehend korrektem Verhalten seinerseits ausging, wurde in allen vier Fällen zu Schadensersatz verurteilt. Das Land Hessen hat die Wiedereinstellung angeboten, aber noch keine Entschuldigung und Übernahme etwaiger weiterer Entschädigungsleistungen zugesagt (Stand Januar 2017).[2]
Though I want to say there was a second case somewhere.

Peggotty
May 9, 2014

Libluini posted:

OK, so I can't find it anymore. Most likely thing, I saw this 26% Umfrage and later just rounded up, because optimism.

That said, saying a Green/CDU coalition isn't probable because it could be a CDU/Green coalition instead is some high-level pedantry I can't even begin to match, so I concede the argument.

Haha, we were talking about whether this was an "unwinnable election" for the CDU, so whether they'll be stronger than the Greens isn't pedantry, it's the question.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

cebrail posted:

Haha, we were talking about whether this was an "unwinnable election" for the CDU, so whether they'll be stronger than the Greens isn't pedantry, it's the question.

To be fair, I am an idiot.

Also I totally ignored the first sentence in your original post, so I was basically running on a second, slightly different discussion :v:

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?



huge if true. Oh, the guy retweeting this is the Pressesprecher of the "Werte-Union" in NRW :rolleyes:

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Und das war gut so.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011


When they came for the einsatzgruppen, I did not speak up, because I was not in the einsatzgruppen.

Smirr
Jun 28, 2012

The Heimseite of the Werteunion is currently very much Not Mad

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

System Metternich posted:



huge if true. Oh, the guy retweeting this is the Pressesprecher of the "Werte-Union" in NRW :rolleyes:

Is Höcker only Bundespressesprecher or did he bail already?

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

Feelgood-story of the day: The Basler Gewerbeverein together with the bürgerliche Parteien wanted to increase (!) motorisierten Individualverkehr in the city. It didn't go well

Teron D Amun
Oct 9, 2010

not so feelgood story of the day: https://anfdeutsch.com/kultur/bundesregierung-macht-sna-soeldner-zur-verschlusssache-17110

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

System Metternich posted:



huge if true. Oh, the guy retweeting this is the Pressesprecher of the "Werte-Union" in NRW :rolleyes:

A socialist coup? I will pray for its success.

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS
LMAO at "Ain't no Armenian genocide" Steinmeier holding speeches about the importance of accurately depicting history.

SPD really putting in an effort to not be overshadowed by the AfD in the right wing garbage department.

Perestroika
Apr 8, 2010

Uhh...


:ohdear:

It's about Merz and voting against criminalizing it in '97

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Spice World War II
Jul 12, 2004
Alaaf!

https://twitter.com/ebonyplusirony/status/1228312530940026880?s=19

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