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If python is batteries included why isn't docker part of it??
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Feb 14, 2020 19:23
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I should actually bother to learn containers one of these days. I'm sure by the time that I get around to learning Docker or Kubernetes or something like that, the next paradigm shift will hit or Google will axe their funding to Kubernetes and take it out back and shoot it like <insert 80% of google's historical product stack> or something
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Feb 14, 2020 19:30
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wait if i want to do something like the esoteric use case of "have two libraries" y'all are reaching for containers? what happens when i want to shuffle data from tensorflow to opencv? RPC over TCP?
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Feb 14, 2020 19:32
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taqueso posted:If python is batteries included why isn't docker part of it?? that's how they get you. you even have to provide your own OS to run python on!
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Feb 14, 2020 19:32
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All the cool kids are going with podman now anyway. Whenever I have to use Docker I'm reminded of the Debian maintainer's rant. Choice quotes: quote:Upstream is notorious for incredibly sloppy versioning. Docker components are inconsistently versioned; don't depend on same version of common libraries and different revisions of dependency libraries are privately vendored. Basically upstream couldn't care less about consistent, semantic versioning and re-usable components. Shameful abomination of good software development practices... quote:We've made a mistake trying to treat it as several reusable components. quote:Upstream abuse of versioning practices is a shameful and incompetent disgrace. Docker people, if you are reading this I hope you feel sorry.
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Feb 14, 2020 19:39
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python is hot flaming trash, thanks and god bless
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Feb 14, 2020 19:41
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venvs are stupid and dumb too and the fact that python needs them is a coding horror in itself
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Feb 14, 2020 19:42
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venv is a bad copy of a node_modules folder
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Feb 14, 2020 20:22
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Learning to code is easy. You spend like six months, effectively, learning assignments, types, if-else and for loops then maybe big-O and lambdas. Then it's the rest of your life trying to keep up with: "did you gulp the node into the docker? You have to giraffe the sockr through puppetr or else dingle won't build the dangle in the nonkywonk".
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Feb 14, 2020 20:24
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Occasionally I get to write real code to do a real thing, but that is definitely the exception
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Feb 14, 2020 20:29
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JawnV6 posted:wait if i want to do something like the esoteric use case of "have two libraries" y'all are reaching for containers? containers can share files with the host and each other by mounting volumes. but admittedly i use nix to solve this problem, so i should not be trusted.
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Feb 14, 2020 21:55
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Ola posted:Learning to code is easy. You spend like six months, effectively, learning assignments, types, if-else and for loops then maybe big-O and lambdas. Then it's the rest of your life trying to keep up with: "did you gulp the node into the docker? You have to giraffe the sockr through puppetr or else dingle won't build the dangle in the nonkywonk". As someone still learning development I'm finding the middle part of your statement a big grey area that I can't resolve the difference between actual technologies or satire. I'm actually hoping none of it is satire so I can sound like a Brit when I talk as I approach that level of competency.
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Feb 15, 2020 02:32
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most of the words in the second half are made up if that helps
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Feb 15, 2020 02:39
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taqueso posted:most of the words in the second half are made up if that helps What a damned shame
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Feb 15, 2020 03:44
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do NOT gulp the node into the docker
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Feb 15, 2020 03:58
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Doc Hawkins posted:do NOT gulp the node into the docker But then, what's the fun in that?
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Feb 15, 2020 04:00
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registering nockywonk.io
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Feb 15, 2020 04:04
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TraderStav posted:As someone still learning development I'm finding the middle part of your statement a big grey area that I can't resolve the difference between actual technologies or satire. I'm actually hoping none of it is satire so I can sound like a Brit when I talk as I approach that level of competency. Ofuscation is generally a marketing thing. I think. Working on software often mean trying to make sense of somebody code, or somebody email. The pain from that last your entire life and probably cost you many year of your lifespan and a big fat part of your sanity, so nobody has a taste for ofuscation. Or I don't think so, maybe somebody have that inclination.
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Feb 15, 2020 04:19
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taqueso posted:If python is batteries included why isn't docker part of it?? docker isn't a battery. it's a motor. yes, that analogy is flawed, but only as flawed as "batteries included"
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Feb 15, 2020 05:18
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If your loving solution to compatibility is "easy, just ship your code with a whole loving virtual machine environment that is identical to the one you developed your code in", then gently caress you and die, you suck at deployment, into the sun with you.
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Feb 15, 2020 06:21
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Absurd Alhazred posted:If your loving solution to compatibility is "easy, just ship your code with a whole loving virtual machine environment that is identical to the one you developed your code in", then gently caress you and die, you suck at deployment, into the sun with you. But ... that's the entire point of docker. Am I missing something here?
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Feb 15, 2020 06:23
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Well, for starters containers aren’t vm’s
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Feb 15, 2020 06:47
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The Fool posted:Well, for starters containers aren’t vm’s And .... I feel you're missing the last part of your sentence here. Yeah, they aren't VMs so they are constrained to run on the same OS as the host, but providing better performance, but they look like a duck, they quack like a duck. They're basically a duck that cannot swim and has no legs and wings and relies on everyone else to just move it around while quacking angrily. But a duck nonetheless.
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Feb 15, 2020 06:59
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DaTroof posted:docker isn't a battery. it's a motor. But according to management, the software engineering team is the motor of the company.
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Feb 15, 2020 08:21
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Ola posted:Learning to code is easy. You spend like six months, effectively, learning assignments, types, if-else and for loops then maybe big-O and lambdas. Then it's the rest of your life trying to keep up with: "did you gulp the node into the docker? You have to giraffe the sockr through puppetr or else dingle won't build the dangle in the nonkywonk".
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Feb 15, 2020 09:39
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One day, the product manager prioritized a bug report, and the developer started working on it. The developer was unable to reproduce the bug, and shrugged, saying, "It works on my machine." The product manager replied, "We can't just send the customer your machine." The developer then said, "But what if we could...?" Anyway, that's how Docker was invented.
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Feb 15, 2020 10:19
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Docker is loving awesome and almost like magic. A clusterfuck that is growing to a even bigger clusterfuck that require Docker to even run less so.
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Feb 15, 2020 10:27
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Bongo Bill posted:One day, the product manager prioritized a bug report, and the developer started working on it. And that developers name.... was elton musk....
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Feb 15, 2020 10:52
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How does Docker handle programs that are not just servers? (A rare case in the era of web programming, I know.) My day job is hacking on a compiler. How would I package that in a Docker image? It needs to be able to access user files, after all. I do find that Nix works pretty well for isolating and packaging command line programs, although it's orthogonal to containers in the sense that it does not provide isolation at run-time. I do see some people using Nix to assemble Docker containers, which intuitively makes sense to me.
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Feb 15, 2020 11:36
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Athas posted:How does Docker handle programs that are not just servers? (A rare case in the era of web programming, I know.) My day job is hacking on a compiler. How would I package that in a Docker image? It needs to be able to access user files, after all. I don't know much about docker, but you can "mount" (copy?) files inside. Probably you can mount a external drive with nfs too. Maybe theres a better way to do it. Apparently theres many images that host compilers https://hub.docker.com/search?q=compiler&type=image gcc compiler image posted:Compile your app inside the Docker container
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Feb 15, 2020 13:17
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Carbon dioxide fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Feb 15, 2020 |
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Feb 15, 2020 15:50
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Put a threadripper on there and you'll have enough surface area to do it for real
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Feb 15, 2020 16:11
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Athas posted:How does Docker handle programs that are not just servers? (A rare case in the era of web programming, I know.) My day job is hacking on a compiler. How would I package that in a Docker image? It needs to be able to access user files, after all. You can just run a command in a container as a one off command and you can map directories on the host into the container. Containers just barely quack like a duck when it comes to comparisons to vms. They have little of the performance overhead, only a portion of the isolation security, and only a portion of the OS flexibility. Of course this doesn't stop people from misusing them as virtual machines, but using them like a VM is like if when the automobile came out people thought "ooo this will make a nice carriage to hook up to my horses." They are python virtual environments except for your whole system.
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Feb 15, 2020 18:16
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Containers are cladistically much closer to loving folders than to virtual machines.
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Feb 15, 2020 19:52
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Containers are chroots with cgroups and somehow docker managed to push their branding on them despite jails and zones having existed for ages.
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Feb 15, 2020 21:26
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Antigravitas posted:Containers are chroots with cgroups and somehow docker managed to push their branding on them despite jails and zones having existed for ages. Because FreeBSD doesn't let you type 'jail run -p 5432:5432 postgresql' and instantly have a fully working RDBMS. That's nothing to sneeze at. What was the next best option in 2013?
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Feb 15, 2020 23:01
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yum install postgresql systemctl start postgresql
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Feb 15, 2020 23:21
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Antigravitas posted:Containers are chroots with cgroups and somehow docker managed to push their branding on them despite jails and zones having existed for ages. They existed for ages and were a tremendous pain to set up. Docker provided a relatively simple, automated-deployment-friendly packaging mechanism that integrated into existing functionality. It turns out that was something people wanted. Making things easier to use is worthwhile development work. NihilCredo posted:Containers are cladistically much closer to loving folders than to virtual machines. Cladistics doesn't make much sense in technology, where a given feature probably has dozens of direct "ancestral" dependencies. Modern container infrastructure has VMs as at least one "parent", though.
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Feb 15, 2020 23:22
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Volguus posted:yum install postgresql Now do the same thing with multiple versions of an application that require incompatible configuration files in the same location, or mutually incompatible system libraries.
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Feb 15, 2020 23:22
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Sagacity posted:Now do the same thing with multiple versions of an application that require incompatible configuration files in the same location, or mutually incompatible system libraries. Why are you making the system libraries incompatible? Why is your application only able to run with a specific set? Why throw the ABI, heck, API contract out the window? Because you need to move fast and break things?
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Feb 15, 2020 23:26
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