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Yeah borders in europe have been in constant flux, along with ethnic purges and re-settlements and cultural genocides and so on to try to back up those claims. Country A will conquer parts of country B and then people from country A will settle parts of country B, but then some big event shifts borders and now those people are on the "wrong" side of the border and treated poorly which country A then uses as justification to take actions to protect/liberate their people, but it's usually not a nice tidy situation where you can just move the borders and encompass people based on nationality or language, it'll be randomly jumbled up. Most of what we think today as obvious borders that more or less make sense based on the people living there are entirely artificial creations based on some very recent events. Like huge parts of the Czech republic had german minority or even majority regions, they all mysteriously left after WWII. Understandable because Hitler used them as an excuse for invading, but it was still a massive forced displacement. I'm sure none of this is really new info for the type of people that read this thread though, but it's something that really catches a lot of people off guard. They look at a map of europe today and assume those have always more or less been fairly homogeneous ethno/linguistic based states.
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There's a bunch of land we ceded to the Brits in 1818 north of what is now Montana. Yeah, we got more than we gave out of that deal, but that's sacred American clay we gave away! I wonder if those Saskatchewan/Albertan farmers who live there know that they should rightfully be Americans.
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Feb 14, 2020 20:35
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I believe in pretty borders. Alaska is rightfully Canadian
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Feb 14, 2020 20:36
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Jay Rust posted:I believe in pretty borders. Alaska is rightfully Canadian At least the chunk along the BC coast that's just a little northern Chile. And Pt. Roberts, an all around very silly situation. 
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Jay Rust posted:I believe in pretty borders. Alaska is rightfully Canadian that's why i was always a little disappointed by the usar shoulda used the immortal science of marxism-leninism to pretty things up a little 
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Canada has a territorial dispute with Denmark over Hans Island, a small, useless island equidistant between northern-most Canada and Greenland. The dispute itself is pretty funny most of the time.
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In the late 19th century, the US went around claiming a bunch of populated atolls and unpopulated poop rocks in the Pacific. In the 1980s and 90s, we ceded almost all those claims to the countries that actually inhabited them, like Kiribati, Tuvalu, and New Zealand. Keeping in mind that the American ownership of them was limited purely to "there's poop here", at least some wackos complained that the NEW GLOBAL ORDER was forcing us to give away sacred Yankee clay. I can't find a link right now but I vividly remember it when researching.
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Feb 14, 2020 20:56
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PittTheElder posted:Yeah I'm actually given the Disagree number for Spain is so high given Gibraltar? But maybe Schengen meant that nobody gave a poo poo. I do wonder how many of the people who disagreed would change their mind if you reminded them about Gibraltar. Probably more than a few only thought about France and Portugal when asked that question.
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Feb 14, 2020 21:20
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Doesn't Spain accept Gibraltar mainly because they don't want to set an example that might make them give up their Morroco exclaves?
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Feb 14, 2020 21:50
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The thing that amuses me is how Morocco steadfastly supports Spain's claim to Gibraltar.
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Feb 14, 2020 22:26
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Epicurius posted:Navassa Island, for instance, is a 2 square mile island near Jamaica that was claimed by the US for its supply of bat guano and now is a wildlife refuge. It's not like its ownership is going to make anyone rich. bird guano
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Feb 14, 2020 22:37
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13% of the Swedes want Finland back.
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Kennel posted:13% of the Swedes want Finland back. However if you ask them if they want a 1340km border with Russia only 0.46% of the Swedes want Finland back. Those swedes are "Alternativ för Sverige" voters.
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Kennel posted:13% of the Swedes want Finland back. 87% of Swedes have forsaken their brothers in Eastern Sweden.
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Baronjutter posted:At least the chunk along the BC coast that's just a little northern Chile. And Pt. Roberts, an all around very silly situation. This US/Canada border situation is even sillier. 
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:I can't even figure out what most of those countries are claiming. Is Slovakia's thing the Transcarpathia region that's now in Ukraine? Are there any Czechoslovakia reunifications?
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Count Roland posted:Canada has a territorial dispute with Denmark over Hans Island, a small, useless island equidistant between northern-most Canada and Greenland. The dispute itself is pretty funny most of the time. Is that the one where military boats of both sides drop by once in a while to take down the other guys' flag, put their own flag back up and leave crates of beer for the other side's goons to enjoy while they do the silly thing again ?
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Kennel posted:13% of the Swedes want Finland back. Why?
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Jerry Cotton posted:Why? Because it is Swedish bog!!
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Zudgemud posted:However if you ask them if they want a 1340km border with Russia only 0.46% of the Swedes want Finland back. Those swedes are "Alternativ för Sverige" voters.
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Baronjutter posted:At least the chunk along the BC coast that's just a little northern Chile. And Pt. Roberts, an all around very silly situation. Hey Pt Roberts is very useful for the witness protection programme.
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Kobal2 posted:Is that the one where military boats of both sides drop by once in a while to take down the other guys' flag, put their own flag back up and leave crates of beer for the other side's goons to enjoy while they do the silly thing again ? Canadian whisky and Danish schnapps, but yes. It's the friendliest conflict.
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Angry Salami posted:Are there any Czechoslovakia reunifications? I don't know but my ethnically Slovakian grandmother supposedly cried for days when the two broke up, but then again she spent her life pretty evenly split between them. I wouldn't expect that from Slovakians as much as Czechs though, partly because Slovakia has been independent for very brief periods of history and they are generally quite content with being so and partly because Czechs tend to have a rather patronising attitude towards Slovakians. Bit like the English towards the Welsh even though the geopolitical situation is obviously drastically different. e: It's probably about small parts of Hungary and Ukraine. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Feb 15, 2020 |
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Private Speech posted:I don't know but my ethnically Slovakian grandmother supposedly cried for days when the two broke up, but then again she spent her life pretty evenly split between them.
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Epicurius posted:Navassa Island, maybe? I think the US claims it and so does Haiti. I’d be surprised if even 1% of the US population has ever even heard of -any- of those places though, and this is a popular polling response. None of these are exactly up there with Malvinas/Falklands it Gibraltar/Ceuta in the National conscious of either the US or Canada. True that Europeans probably know. I wonder how many Swiss think Voralberg should belong to Switzerland. Or Voralbergers, for that matter.
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Saladman posted:True that Europeans probably know. I wonder how many Swiss think Voralberg should belong to Switzerland. Or Voralbergers, for that matter. Vorarlberg wanted to join like 100 years ago, but the Swiss didnt want them 
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Mano posted:Vorarlberg wanted to join like 100 years ago, but the Swiss didnt want them I always think about how much hardship they would have avoided if that had happened.
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Think about how many taxes they could have avoided
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All I know about Slovakia is that I really like their candy bars. And then Czechs, I guess they've got immigrants who made really good thin cookies.  Too many spikes on their stars though, too fragile and easy to break. 
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The general stereotype from the Czech side is that Slovaks are sturdy catholic mountain and sheep people. Bit more cheerful and friendly than Czechs too. Also maybe something about not always thinking things through. With Czechs being fat, lazy and slightly dodgy plains people. Not sure how accurate or helpful that is in any way. Though they do have a lot of mountains, cottages and artisan cheese in Slovakia. e: Even the chocolate bars above evoke the stereotype, with "Horalka" literally meaning a "mountain woman" (and/or a female mountain chocolate bar) and the "Vesna" having the rustic milk jug such that would be commonly associated with the mountain regions. Their anthem also starts with "Above Tatra [a mountain range] the lightning strikes, thunder booming wildly ...". Albeit that was written by a Lutheran who saw the mountains for the first time, but the symbology is there (it also compares true Slovaks to firs growing on a mountain slope). Private Speech fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Feb 15, 2020 |
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escapegoat posted:You'd think Ukraine might be a teensy bit higher. That and what is Russia still butthurt about?
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mobby_6kl posted:That and what is Russia still butthurt about? Literally everything.
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I would like to know what 23% of Brits think they're missing out on. Ireland I'm guessing?
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:There's a bunch of land we ceded to the Brits in 1818 north of what is now Montana. Yeah, we got more than we gave out of that deal, but that's sacred American clay we gave away! I wonder if those Saskatchewan/Albertan farmers who live there know that they should rightfully be Americans. Fun fact: a lot of the anglo-canadian settlers in the prairie provinces were in fact US farmers who moved north in the late 19th century, because the genocide was ongoing and the land was cheap. also, I've met a lot of nice south africans and zimbabweans. They're all african-americans in both senses and the kids of people who came here in the 80s and 90s to escape the other kind of south african and zimbabwean. Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Feb 15, 2020 |
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Sereri posted:I would like to know what 23% of Brits think they're missing out on. Ireland I'm guessing?
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Sereri posted:I would like to know what 23% of Brits think they're missing out on. Ireland I'm guessing? Would that make the Brits and the Russians the only ones who think they are entitled to the enterity of another country?
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Orange Devil posted:Would that make the Brits and the Russians the only ones who think they are entitled to the enterity of another country? 
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Sereri posted:I would like to know what 23% of Brits think they're missing out on. Ireland I'm guessing? I knew a retired RAF bod who would regularly moan about how we should have never given up India, and my grandad had a lot of mates from his days in Africa who would pine for their farms full of African "servants". Britain has given up a lot of clay within living memory for people to get revanchist about.
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Orange Devil posted:Would that make the Brits and the Russians the only ones who think they are entitled to the enterity of another country?
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Orange Devil posted:Would that make the Brits and the Russians the only ones who think they are entitled to the enterity of another country? China regarding Taiwan
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