ghostwritingduck posted:That’s why offering a public option in the beginning could be an effective way to get Medicare for All. Less opposition to pass in the first place Nope. There would be just as much opposition to a good public option as there would be to Medicare for all. Because if the public option is good, then everybody will just switch to it and not bother with private insurance. So either way, that's the end of private insurance, and the insurance company will fight just as hard to stop it. The only public option you could actually pass with "less opposition" would be an intentionally lovely one designed to be unable to compete with private insurance. So what's the loving point?
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ghostwritingduck isn't wrong that the courts are a serious impediment. this is why bernie has to pack the drat courts.
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Personally I’m partial to “Klobalists” because the term does double-duty.kidkissinger posted:Imagine how lovely this thread would be if we allowed Buttigieg or Klobb supoorters to post without harassing them off of the internet entirely. Imagine not being able to just declare and agree that Bernie won the first two states, and someone pointing out that it’s a delegate race and not a popular vote race. Imagine having to hear that Bernie actually lost one contest, tied another, and is currently losing by a small margin.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Personally I’m partial to “Klobalists” because the term does double-duty. actually bernie won both states hth
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I coulda sworn 45,842 is a bigger number than 43,274 and 76,352 is a bigger number than 72,443.
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kidkissinger posted:ghostwritingduck isn't wrong that the courts are a serious impediment. this is why bernie has to pack the drat courts. Yes. I would like to see Bernie pack the courts.
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Aren't both campaigns challenging the Iowa results and demanding recounts? But both of them agree that Bernie got the most votes, it's just down to delegate math bullshit. So Bernie supporters can say that Bernie won because he got the most votes, but nobody can say that Pete won with delegates because the delegate stuff hasn't been settled yet
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Groovelord Neato posted:I coulda sworn 45,842 is a bigger number than 43,274 and 76,352 is a bigger number than 72,443. Unfortunately, much like with the general, the popular vote only matters so much. It’s okay to be hopeful and excited but still keep that in mind.
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Gripweed posted:Nope. There would be just as much opposition to a good public option as there would be to Medicare for all. Because if the public option is good, then everybody will just switch to it and not bother with private insurance. So either way, that's the end of private insurance, and the insurance company will fight just as hard to stop it. The only public option you could actually pass with "less opposition" would be an intentionally lovely one designed to be unable to compete with private insurance. So what's the loving point? It’s the internal party opposition that I’m most concerned about. Free access to health care for those who need it most is my personal top concern going into this election. I agree that the external opposition will exist either way.
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ghostwritingduck posted:It’s the internal party opposition that I’m most concerned about. Free access to health care for those who need it most is my personal top concern going into this election. I agree that the external opposition will exist either way. the internal opposition is also basically just coming from people who are paid off by the insurance industry as well though so the argument stands
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Gripweed posted:Aren't both campaigns challenging the Iowa results and demanding recounts? But both of them agree that Bernie got the most votes, it's just down to delegate math bullshit. I think so, but a quick google search only gives me a Wordpress blog so I’m definitely a little wary of it.
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https://twitter.com/MotherJones/status/1225523663988051968 hm I guess latina khaleesi is hedging for a post-bernie future, presumably one in which she continues to pull down a six figure salary while working six months out of the year and probably running in 2024
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Groovelord Neato posted:I coulda sworn 45,842 is a bigger number than 43,274 and 76,352 is a bigger number than 72,443. Yes, if football were measured by offensive yards and not arbitrary “points”, perhaps your favorite team actually won after all.
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cargo cult posted:https://twitter.com/MotherJones/status/1225523663988051968 Read the article. It’s quoting her talking to the DNC
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She's warning the DNC not to gently caress over Sanders.TheDisreputableDog posted:Yes, if football were measured by offensive yards and not arbitrary “points”, perhaps your favorite team actually won after all. I know you're one of the dumbest posters in D&D but nobody cares about Iowa or NH because of the delegate count.
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cargo cult posted:https://twitter.com/MotherJones/status/1225523663988051968 yah she's just there for the $$ this makes me sick quote:Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Sunday issued a warning to the Democratic Party to “rally behind” the party’s eventual presidential nominee or risk damaging their chances to defeat President Trump.
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Dietrich posted:yah she's just there for the $$ this makes me sick She’s talking about Sanders hth
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DreamingofRoses posted:Read the article. It’s quoting her talking to the DNC yea AoC bugs me a lot of times but this and her 'yea no poo poo worst case we may have to slowly push medicare for all through because congress can suck rear end' statement have both been twisted by the hacks to be all 'AOC ABANDONING BERNIE????' when they were both very clearly in support of him.
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ManBoyChef posted:Yeah. There is also an incredibly well funded propaganda machine on the right to that convinces low information voters to vote in favor of the elites even though it actually makes their lives marginally worse. The propaganda machine makes them think that even though they are doing worse and worse financially that the economy is somehow booming for them. McClatchey newspapers just declared bankruptcy.If Steve were sincere his rear end would buy them up before Bloomberg gets ahold of them.
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Dietrich posted:yah she's just there for the $$ this makes me sick cargo cult fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Feb 15, 2020 |
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drat a lot of people did not read that article and got whooshed by the title.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Yes, if football were measured by offensive yards and not arbitrary “points”, perhaps your favorite team actually won after all. Bernie won.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Yes, if football were measured by offensive yards and not arbitrary “points”, perhaps your favorite team actually won after all. this isn't football and bernie won
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cargo cult posted:https://twitter.com/MotherJones/status/1225523663988051968 one of your more idiotic takes
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cargo cult posted:https://twitter.com/MotherJones/status/1225523663988051968 gently caress you, this is racist
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sexpig by night posted:yea AoC bugs me a lot of times tell me more about this, OP
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ghostwritingduck posted:Ignoring the courts isn’t an option without a full revolution. The option of adding additional Supreme Court Judges is more tenable, but might result in something resembling a civil war. Ok no point passing a public option either then, if it's a threat to insurance companies the courts will strike it down
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Personally I’m partial to “Klobalists” because the term does double-duty. Yo I checked with Peter Buttigieg and he agrees that Bernie won Iowa https://mobile.twitter.com/petebuttigieg/status/1105168289540517888
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why in the gently caress are centrists rallying around an old, hyper-rich, demonstrably-sexist, horrifyingly-racist fuckhead ... AGAIN?
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Potato Salad posted:why in the gently caress are centrists rallying around an old, hyper-rich, demonstrably-sexist, horrifyingly-racist fuckhead When they show you who they are, believe them.
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Potato Salad posted:why in the gently caress are centrists rallying around an old, hyper-rich, demonstrably-sexist, horrifyingly-racist fuckhead They only care about aesthetics and also don't understand long term effects.
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Potato Salad posted:why in the gently caress are centrists rallying around an old, hyper-rich, demonstrably-sexist, horrifyingly-racist fuckhead Because he's paying them to.
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Potato Salad posted:why in the gently caress are centrists rallying around an old, hyper-rich, demonstrably-sexist, horrifyingly-racist fuckhead Sideshow Bob answered this many years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXU2vZTTeMU&t=34s
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Yes, if football were measured by offensive yards and not arbitrary “points”, perhaps your favorite team actually won after all. Hmm yes this makes sense to me, a dumbass who agrees with archaic electoral systems designed to maintain white supremacy
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Potato Salad posted:why in the gently caress are centrists rallying around an old, hyper-rich, demonstrably-sexist, horrifyingly-racist fuckhead The vast majority of people and organizations who have endorsed Bloomberg have received money from him in the past.
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"Vote Blue No Matter Who" has never been a real belief, it's just been a cudgel to beat the left with. And given that turnabout is fair play, we should definitely steal it and use it to beat the poo poo out of the rightwingers now that Bernie's gonna win.ghostwritingduck posted:Ignoring the courts isn’t an option without a full revolution. The option of adding additional Supreme Court Judges is more tenable, but might result in something resembling a civil war. Why exactly isn't it an option? If the Executive and Congress are united aganist them then how exactly are the courts gonna enforce their will? E: Hell, even within the dumbass confines of of orthodox US political theory, then shouldn't Congress and the President act as checks and balances against an out-of-control Judiciary?
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