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3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Grand Fromage posted:

This is again one of those things that looks true when you visit Shanghai and write a news article, but is by no means true in general. Only around 55% of the population even have a smartphone.

Goons will never acknowledge the existence of the proletariat.

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Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E
Well as long as one person in the village has the budget prole android phone...

Shaocaholica fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Feb 16, 2020

fish and chips and dip
Feb 17, 2010

Hadlock posted:



Is there any timeline on when travel will resume to/from China?



Speaking of airlines, there are still flights in and out of China mainly on Chinese carriers and at reduced frequencies.

Most if not all airlines who have cancelled or reduced their flights to China have set end of April as the target date for when they'll go back to a normal schedule. Two weeks ago the target was end of March.

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

fish and chips and dip posted:

Speaking of airlines, there are still flights in and out of China mainly on Chinese carriers and at reduced frequencies.

Most if not all airlines who have cancelled or reduced their flights to China have set end of April as the target date for when they'll go back to a normal schedule. Two weeks ago the target was end of March.

Honestly the tourism dollars that are lost from this are going to hurt a lot of people.

I was just in Bali and 60-70% of their tourists are from China and that is 0 now. Imagine a country just suddenly losing a huge chunk of its income for months on end.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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actually I think you'll find that China will easily hit 6% growth and everyone will believe them

Akratic Method
Mar 9, 2013

It's going to pay off eventually--I'm sure of it.

Any day now.

MarcusSA posted:

Honestly the tourism dollars that are lost from this are going to hurt a lot of people.

I was just in Bali and 60-70% of their tourists are from China and that is 0 now. Imagine a country just suddenly losing a huge chunk of its income for months on end.

You're really making me want to get out and travel now, to be honest. Not even the Chinese specifically, but anything that cuts down on tour group types is going to make major tourist attractions way better. Hell, if I'm lucky other countries' tour groups will get paranoid and cancel too.

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

Akratic Method posted:

You're really making me want to get out and travel now, to be honest. Not even the Chinese specifically, but anything that cuts down on tour group types is going to make major tourist attractions way better. Hell, if I'm lucky other countries' tour groups will get paranoid and cancel too.

I’ve heard cruises are pretty cheap now.

Akratic Method
Mar 9, 2013

It's going to pay off eventually--I'm sure of it.

Any day now.

MarcusSA posted:

I’ve heard cruises are pretty cheap now.

You couldn't pay me to take a cruise under the best of circumstances, to be frank. They're just anathema to my travel style/interests.

Cheesemaster200
Feb 11, 2004

Guard of the Citadel

MarcusSA posted:

Honestly the tourism dollars that are lost from this are going to hurt a lot of people.

I was just in Bali and 60-70% of their tourists are from China and that is 0 now. Imagine a country just suddenly losing a huge chunk of its income for months on end.

Bali is probably better off from a pause in unrelenting tourism.

grellgraxer
Nov 28, 2002

"I didn't fight a secret war in Nicaragua so you can walk these streets of freedom bad mouthing lady America, in your damn mirrored su

Akratic Method posted:

You couldn't pay me to take a cruise under the best of circumstances, to be frank. They're just anathema to my travel style/interests.

I'm 0-1 on cruises, caught the norovirus the only time I've tried it. Shat my guts out for a few days. With my luck, 100% chance I'd get me some coronavirus.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
This is probably the best opportunity ever to visit Angkor Wat.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Kyoto too.

Despera
Jun 6, 2011
I like cruises and the 80$ doller a day alcohol pass that somehow saves me money

Kharnifex
Sep 11, 2001

The Banter is better in AusGBS

Atlas Hugged posted:

This is probably the best opportunity ever to visit Angkor Wat.

Holy poo poo, this and stay in a four star hotel without wumaos stealing your chair and food after you struggle to get something from the buffet

Despera
Jun 6, 2011
The chinese character for "crisis" is the same for "opportunity" im told.

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

Hell, I love China

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->

Dandywalken posted:

Hell, I love China

China could be so good if it wasn't being held back by like two centuries of extremely bad governance

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

MarcusSA posted:

Honestly the tourism dollars that are lost from this are going to hurt a lot of people.

I was just in Bali and 60-70% of their tourists are from China and that is 0 now. Imagine a country just suddenly losing a huge chunk of its income for months on end.

I dunno how true, or in how big numbers this is, but I read an article that was talking about how a lot of Chinese tourism, (especially those in organized tour groups), contributes next to nothing to the local economy. Because the actual tourists paid a Chinese company for the tour, and when there, the tour company herds the tourist to Chinese owned restaurants/gift shops etc. either getting kickbacks or they are also outright ownde by the tour company. So very little money gets put into the local economy.

This sounds reasonable to me, but again, I dunno how widespread this practice is, nor how much a percentage of tourists use companies like this.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Depends on the place and the sector. I know there are stores in Japan that make like half their yearly sales revenue to CNY tour groups, and a lot of places in Korea like Jeju suffered economically when China was butthurt about THAAD and banned travel for a while.

Despera
Jun 6, 2011
Who was more incompetent, late qing or the ccp?

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


I'm planning to head to Taiwan in the few weeks, so the lack of chinese tour groups should be a blessing.

CIGNX
May 7, 2006

You can trust me
poo poo is getting medieval

https://twitter.com/PerthWAustralia/status/1229209836300095488

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

Despera posted:

The chinese character for "crisis" is the same for "opportunity" im told.

I remember the Terry Pratchett take on that.

"Mind you, their character for 'wife' is made up of 'woman' and 'slave'."

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki
One of my favorite bands is from Chengdu and scheduled to play SXSW, would be real poo poo if virus-related travel shenanigans mean they can't actually make it.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Vegetable posted:

Where the hell are you getting that they've restricted the free movement of physical cash





MarcusSA posted:

Honestly the tourism dollars that are lost from this are going to hurt a lot of people.

I was just in Bali and 60-70% of their tourists are from China and that is 0 now. Imagine a country just suddenly losing a huge chunk of its income for months on end.

So, it's just drunken loving Aussies now?

Which begs the question - are even Chinese tourists worst than Australians?

LimburgLimbo
Feb 10, 2008

Nothingtoseehere posted:

I'm planning to head to Taiwan in the few weeks, so the lack of chinese tour groups should be a blessing.

China had already banned travel to Taiwan over political stuff off and on for a bit, which cut down on the groups overall. It's usually actually not that bad even beforehand, though of course now it should be basically zero.

Kharnifex
Sep 11, 2001

The Banter is better in AusGBS
I find yobbo Australians when drunk, the most dangerous animal to ever be encountered when angry.

Chinese are just super rude and annoying in comparison

Psst, wanna buy some blackmarket toilet rolls?

Kharnifex fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Feb 17, 2020

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Can I get a show of hands, who thinks the Coronavirus situation is much worse than what the official Chinese government statistics say?

Kharnifex
Sep 11, 2001

The Banter is better in AusGBS
My hand is up holding a toilet roll

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

3.6 million infected. Not great also not terrible

BrainDance
May 8, 2007

Disco all night long!

Jerry Cotton posted:

Goons will never acknowledge the existence of the proletariat.

You're joking around I think. It's true though, because what reason would most goons have to exist alongside China's proletariat.

But man, poo poo sucks right now.

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse

Boiled Water posted:

3.6 million infected. Not great also not terrible

How many people does each case infect in return in average? 6?

BrassRoots
Jan 9, 2012

You can play a shoestring if you're sincere - John Coltrane
Please, while shopping for miniature replicas of Japanese guns do not forget. https://m.aliexpress.com/item/32902066969.html

PHIZ KALIFA
Dec 21, 2011

#mood

D-Pad posted:

Scimitar Horned Oryx. Extinct in the wild but at the time could be found on Texas high fenced hunting ranches. Then the law got changed and it wasn't legal to hunt them anymore because of their status so most places got rid of them and they just became extinct.

that's fascinating. in vietnam they got places where u can blow up a cow with an RPG

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

PHIZ KALIFA posted:

that's fascinating. in vietnam they got places where u can blow up a cow with an RPG

Brb, booking a Vietnam trip. Seriously though, you got a link that sounds awesome.

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Power Khan posted:

How many people does each case infect in return in average? 6?

The replication number(r0) is estimated about 4+. Flu is 1.28.

Cheesemaster200
Feb 11, 2004

Guard of the Citadel

PHIZ KALIFA posted:

that's fascinating. in vietnam they got places where u can blow up a cow with an RPG

I thought that was Cambodia, and like 15-20 years ago. Phnom Penh has come a long way.

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse

oohhboy posted:

The replication number(r0) is estimated about 4+. Flu is 1.28.

I enjoy seeing "But flu kills way more people each year! Clearly all this worry is purely based on racism" - articles

fins
May 31, 2011

Floss Finder

Fojar38 posted:

actually I think you'll find that China will easily hit 6% growth and everyone will believe them

There are 2 ways to raise GDP per capita, more money or less capita... :unsmigghh:

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Play
Apr 25, 2006

Strong stroll for a mangy stray
A deliveryman in Hong Kong was robbed at knifepoint for his toilet paper packages, lmao

D-Pad posted:

The CCP is attempting to do with Huawei exactly what the US/CIA did with the swedish Crypto company that got exposed by the Washington Post last week. Except Huawei infrastructure will allow them to do it to average citizens instead of only encrypted government communications.

Huawei sells their equipment for waaaay cheaper than competitors and offers 0% 3yr financing (financed via 0% loans to Huawei from the CCP controlled banks). Then after you have their equipment in a large part of your infrastructure they can (and do) put out patches that break its interoperability with other manufacturer's equipment so you have to replace that with Huawei stuff. Eventually they have you by the balls and locked into only Huawei equipment since a large corporation can't just replace 50%+ of their infrastructure overnight. These are all documented Huawei business practices.

This is why the US is throwing a shitfit about allies incorporating Huawei into their communications infrastructure. Because in 10 years when Huawei has infiltrated a large enough percentage of their infrastructure the CCP can do pretty much whatever they want and nobody will be able to do poo poo about it. If you want to get Huawei out of your infrastructure you would have to go a very long period of time with that infrastructure being down because you can't just replace it all at once and Huawei is known to push patches that break their stuff on purpose when a company starts to go down the path of replacing their equipment.

Exactly. Someone in this big European conference about the issue was basically saying the US needs to come up with an alternative to Huawei because they're that much cheaper than Nokia or Ericsson. Almost like inviting the US to subsidize their telecom instead of China, which is totally missing the point that there is a REASON Huawei is so cheap and, surprise surprise, it's not out of the goodness of their hearts. You can either pay a western company the proper amount for the job or you can indebt yourself to China and put your entire telecom operations at their mercy.

The cheap prices are a bit of a poisoned chalice, basically. Or at least they have the huge potential to be so. What are the benefits to Huawei and the Chinese state in offering these absurdly low prices? There has to be something . . .

Zushio posted:

It is really worrying how many people here have Huawei phones honestly. They give them out like candy though.

I actually have a Huawei phone, it's not a big deal. They can listen to me grunting on the toilet to their heart's content, I have no data that would really interest them. Telecom INFRASTRUCTURE is another story in my opinion and is sensitive enough to warrant spending any amount of money to ensure that you have proper control over it.

I probably won't get another because I don't want to be exposed to lack of updates if this little war gets more serious, but honestly it's been a great phone and if the Chinese government wants to subsidize my mobile phone for me I say let em

Also I'm not sure I understand why every country suddenly feels like it needs 5G. Can someone explain that to me, why everyone is so keen? I feel like just making the existing networks stronger would be pretty okay, or at least waiting until installing 5G isn't so expensive

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