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The problem is people don't actually understand the local political relationships they just think LOL ELECTION = LEGITIMATACY AND HEREDITARY RULE IS LIKE THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND and it's so wrong for so many reasons. The internal politics of a first Nation can be really complicated and varies between bands. It's true that within some bands the elected chiefs aren't seen as legitimate as the traditional ones and it's also true that hereditary leaders within first Nations really aren't like a monarchy and it can be much more collaborative and adhoc than the laws suggest. But that wont stop colonialist twitter idiots from comparing the situation to an elected western democracy vs the queen
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Hey gang, I'm trying to discuss some of the issues with the CBC with a relative and was hoping someone might have some readily available links or examples I can go over and use. They are of the mind that it is generally a neutral, fair and balanced news source. I would like to dig into this myself but unfortunately don't have the time right now.
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Corte posted:Hey gang, I'm trying to discuss some of the issues with the CBC with a relative and was hoping someone might have some readily available links or examples I can go over and use. They are of the mind that it is generally a neutral, fair and balanced news source. I would like to dig into this myself but unfortunately don't have the time right now. Show them this article: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/brazil-canada-trade-bolsonaro-politics-foreign-policy-1.4878379 where the CBC cheers about how Canadian mining companies, some of the worst corporations in the entire world, will get freer access to rapaciously destroying the Amazon Rainforest under Bolsonaro. This was posted the day after his election, when everyone with a conscience was grieving the election of an actual fascist to lead one of the world's largest and most fragile democracies, and the CBC's major opinion response was "great news, destroying the Amazon and abandoning any efforts to respect indigenous rights means we can strip-mine developing countries way easier!"
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Classon Ave. Robot posted:Niki Ashton is not a leader that can accomplish anything in Canada, she's a rich white lady academic with no firsthand experience in anything that a leftist cause would want to address. She tried to pretend like Trudeau was a violent criminal for bumping into her and made an absolute fool of herself. Leah Gazan seems to be Extremely Good from what I've seen of her, if we're looking for somebody to be the Canadian Bernie/AOC. She's even Jewish!
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Feb 17, 2020 00:19
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Walking Eagle News, which you should all follow if you don't already, has been on loving fire since the RCMP raids and rail blockades started. https://twitter.com/TheEagleist/status/1229199169845366790 https://twitter.com/TheEagleist/status/1228721402829844481 https://twitter.com/TheEagleist/status/1228394081728057349
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Feb 17, 2020 01:27
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Classon Ave. Robot posted:There is absolutely zero chance that anyone would give a poo poo about first nations people, Wetʼsuwetʼen or otherwise, if they were being hosed over for the sake of a project that wasn't a fundamentally worthless waste of money that's also helping to destroy the planet as quickly as possible. The Wetʼsuwetʼen are being used as a tool by people who don't want the pipeline but can't use an environmental or monetary argument because those things are impossible to explain to the average stupid loving Canadian. Environmentalism is completely dead in this country so they have to try to pretend like they care about the legal issues of aboriginal sovereignty. Actually I'm a single-issue anti-governmenter and I don't even care about the environment! Go away RCMP
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Stupid question - I understand moving Via trains is a non-starter, but why hasn't freight been rerouted across the Canadian Pacific routes to reach Quebec and the Maritimes of were so worried about supply shortages? IIRC those lines aren't blocked. I dont know if CNs milking what's going on, or if the shortages are exaggerated.
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Boomer The Cannon posted:Stupid question - I understand moving Via trains is a non-starter, but why hasn't freight been rerouted across the Canadian Pacific routes to reach Quebec and the Maritimes of were so worried about supply shortages? IIRC those lines aren't blocked. I dont know if CNs milking what's going on, or if the shortages are exaggerated. It's not a stupid question. It's a rhetorical one. Cruelty is the point
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Think both CP and CN won't restore service until order is restored. They can't control when and where blockades popup, so they're not comfortable running anything anywhere.
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That's what I figured. In a way, I get CN not paying CP to move their freight, but on the other hand it's a short-sighted way of going about it. Of course, so was the line rationalization of the 1990s that took away the alternate home-rail routes in the first place but....
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Jehde posted:Think both CP and CN won't restore service until order is restored. They can't control when and where blockades popup, so they're not comfortable running anything anywhere. I didnt think any of the blockades were on CP, though.
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They were for like a day in Coquitlam.
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Leofish posted:Walking Eagle News, which you should all follow if you don't already, has been on loving fire since the RCMP raids and rail blockades started. This is maximum truth. I endorse Walking Eagle News as if my opinion counts for anything at all.
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Feb 17, 2020 03:37
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Boomer The Cannon posted:I didnt think any of the blockades were on CP, though. This is being asked out of complete ignorance: are the CN lines being specifically targeted for some reason, is it a coincidence that the blockades are mostly on CN?
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Feb 17, 2020 03:51
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vyelkin posted:Show them this article: Thanks for this! I do recall this and agree it's a terrible look for the CBC if this was their sole coverage of Bolsonaro's victory but I'm not sure it'll suffice. They'll point to the article's acknoledgement of his "homophobic, racist and misogynist statements and his support for Brazil's military dictatorship that ruled from 1964 to 1985" and suggest it's a simple opinion piece on the potential business impact of the election. I'm hoping to find something that shows their partisanship politics within Canada if possible. Something I just recalled that I'll bring up is the loving god awful coverage they did on election night where the host had a clear Liberal bias and did everything she could to poo poo on Jagmeet or dismiss the NDP entirely.
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Feb 17, 2020 04:42
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As somebody in recovery I'm starting to realize why I drink so much. Reading about anything related to the pipeline protests confirms that Canada is an illegitimate and terrible country and that almost everyone who lives here sucks. At least the right wing is calling it an act of rebellion. That's exactly what we need, just not the way they think. Anyway, don't do anything nice for strangers here, they're probably an rear end in a top hat. I'm reserving my philantrophy for after I confirm you've never voted conservative or eaten at Chick-fil-A.
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Get a load of this idiot realizing 153 years late that a settler community is deeply racist
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xtal posted:As somebody in recovery I'm starting to realize why I drink so much. Reading about anything related to the pipeline protests confirms that Canada is an illegitimate and terrible country and that almost everyone who lives here sucks. At least the right wing is calling it an act of rebellion. That's exactly what we need, just not the way they think. It's easy to find reasons to drink when you're an alcoholic. I hope you stay strong, keep sober and take care of yourself.
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Allow me to write down "Canadian politics" on my trigger sheet. I'm going to do some volunteering this week to feel better about the world.
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Feb 17, 2020 17:55
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Following politics is a curse for your mental health because everything is garbage, but also if I stop following it I feel like I'm being willfully ignorant and putting my head in the sand to feel better. Ultimately I just try to take things day by day and live in the scope of individual circumstances that I can effect, but that I'd be lying if that didn't also feel like willful ignorance sometimes.
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Luckily, someone has put much more effort into posting than me this morning: https://www.nationalobserver.com/2020/02/13/opinion/powerful-example-wetsuweten-resistance
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CRISPYBABY posted:Following politics is a curse for your mental health because everything is garbage, but also if I stop following it I feel like I'm being willfully ignorant and putting my head in the sand to feel better. I find this to be the case for me too, it can become paralyzing and that doesn't help anybody. I reckon like most things moderation and balance are key but I'm still trying to figure out what that looks like. I think xtal is on the right track, when I'm feeling particularly low or find myself despairing about the state of the world I've found textbanking for Bernie to help.
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You're all bleak fuckers but happy Family Day from BC edit: 
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Feb 17, 2020 19:41
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Every morning I wake up and laugh again that lovely comedian Guy Nantel is a serious contender for the head of the PQ.
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What do you guys make of pieces like this? U.S. foundations funding Canadian anti-pipeline protests: fair or foul? quote:The debate about the impact of American money on the Canadian anti-pipeline movement continues fiercely with a pair of energy industry influencers taking calls from across Alberta on the subject. I see poo poo like this floating around on social media from friends who are borderline shilling for oil companies in the pipeline debates, or otherwise "just asking questions" but I don't know enough to comment on it. Seems like some "George Soros pays you to protest" bullshit but I don't know.
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That's exactly what it is, unfortunately. It's just an attempt to discredit the protests. One thing I notice is that none of these people are pro-pipeline, because who would be? They're just anti-anti-pipeline and purely spiteful. The thing you posted has a lot of criticism about the protests but it doesn't say anything about why there are protests or, more importantly, why there should be pipelines to begin with.
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Mister Speaker posted:What do you guys make of pieces like this? Even if it's true, so what? That's a drop in the bucket compared to the millions US fossil fuel interests spend convincing us to build their pipelines, and it's a drop in the bucket compared to the billions the Canadian government spends subsidizing oil and gas. It's not like the oil sands are some virtuous autarkic paragon of Canadian nationalized industry where all the money comes from Canadians and is spent by Canadians in Canada, most of our fossil fuel development is done by US companies to benefit US investors, backed by decades of US propaganda about how fossil fuels are the only possible fuel for civilization. It's only fair that Canadian environmentalists get to tap into the meagre US resources available to support environmental causes given that the fossil fuel companies get to tap into the enormous US resources available to fight against them.
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Also even if it is true: good? Environmentalism is an international issue. Nationalism is a brain disease. Climate change doesn’t give a poo poo what colour the money is.
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Feb 17, 2020 21:36
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This is just the Canadian version of accusing Bernie Sanders of being a Russian spy.
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Considering our "Canadian" conservative causes/think tanks/etc. are funded in significant part by American conservatives or conservative groups, I'm not too bothered by anti-pipeline stuff receiving USD.
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Feb 17, 2020 22:02
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Lassitude posted:Considering our "Canadian" conservative causes/think tanks/etc. are funded in significant part by American conservatives or conservative groups, I'm not too bothered by anti-pipeline stuff receiving USD. Yeah given the amount of money that comes pouring in from south of the border, it's hard to get particularly annoyed at this sort of behaviour anymore. This is how the American empire has done so well, Americans love spending money abroad to promote their interests.
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lmao also I was at the Toronto family day We'suwet'en solidarity march today. It was nice, if a bit cold. The highlight was a white anti vaxxor who kept trying to steal the mike and break up drumming circles to say that native genocide isn't the only genocide and vaccines are genocide.
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Toalpaz posted:lmao The Ottawa one was mostly benign. They even stopped on the Rideau Canal.
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https://twitter.com/IvisonJ/status/1229570400868339719 that's the stuff
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