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seems like it’d be real bad for the optics of your resume that you might go dev -> sr dev-> principal dev -> back to plain old dev
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jesus WEP posted:seems like it’d be real bad for the optics of your resume that you might go dev -> sr dev-> principal dev -> back to plain old dev Only if your hiring is done by people so green in this industry they don't realize titles don't mean much because someone can get senior roles after 2 years or be a CTO as the only technical person in their startup. You definitely need to look at the (employer, role) combo to know whatever it's supposed to stand for, at least until some sort of professional guild comes and normalizes requirements, which I don't foresee happening any time soon. The bad optics mostly happen if the same employer is the one sending you back a few grades.
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Feb 17, 2020 14:57
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jesus WEP posted:tf is this “oh we hate job titles everyone is just ‘developer’” bullshit that companies do. where did it come from Gildiss posted:Not wanting to have structure pay grades? it’s this. when everyone has the same title you can pay everyone whatever and it takes them longer to figure out there’s a discrepancy.
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Feb 17, 2020 15:00
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raminasi posted:it’s this. when everyone has the same title you can pay everyone whatever and it takes them longer to figure out there’s a discrepancy. That's probably true at most places that do it, but OTOH junior/mid/senior/whatever titles are some serious bullshit and reinforce hierarchical ways of thinking
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Feb 17, 2020 18:26
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pointsofdata posted:That's probably true at most places that do it, but OTOH junior/mid/senior/whatever titles are some serious bullshit and reinforce hierarchical ways of thinking tbqh I have big objections to both ways of doing it, but I don’t have any better ideas myself
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Feb 17, 2020 19:08
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took new job ty goons
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Feb 18, 2020 00:41
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barkbell posted:took new job ty goons 
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Feb 18, 2020 00:45
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barkbell posted:boss chastised me during review today for mentioning going to meetups and networking events saying it could make people 'uncomfortable'. time to actually brush off the resume in case this interview this week doesn't work out. reminder that you posted this exactly one week ago and that you now get to go in tomorrow and shove a resignation letter up his rear end. and also no more than 30 seconds after walking in the door.
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Feb 18, 2020 02:48
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Feb 18, 2020 02:51
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qhat posted:reminder that you posted this exactly one week ago and that you now get to go in tomorrow and shove a resignation letter up his rear end. and also no more than 30 seconds after walking in the door. and report back their reaction
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Feb 18, 2020 03:08
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jesus WEP posted:seems like it’d be real bad for the optics of your resume that you might go dev -> sr dev-> principal dev -> back to plain old dev this is a good example but most times it doesn’t happen this way  *edit for better example* CrazyLittle fucked around with this message at 09:51 on Feb 18, 2020 |
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Feb 18, 2020 03:39
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CrazyLittle posted:this is a good example but most times it doesn’t happen this way My current progression is Java Developer -> Senior Java Developer -> Senior Java Architecht -> Software Eningeer III -> Software Developer and my boss keeps trying to add non-software-development duties to my plate.
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Feb 18, 2020 06:42
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promoted from coffee person to programmer, that's a nice step up
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Feb 18, 2020 06:45
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ya goongrats
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Feb 18, 2020 07:14
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If you go from lead dev or something similar at a small no-name company, to SDE II/III at FAANG, I think anybody who isn't a complete idiot would recognize that as a promotion.
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Feb 18, 2020 09:02
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CrazyLittle posted:this is a good example but most times it doesn’t happen this way qhat posted:If you go from lead dev or something similar at a small no-name company, to SDE II/III at FAANG, I think anybody who isn't a complete idiot would recognize that as a promotion. this is at the same company tho
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Feb 18, 2020 09:51
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got a call just a day after sending my resume, they are offering much lower pay than what i used to get at basically the same position in another company, looks like they are desperate for people, should I try to negotiate a higher pay anyways? I am really not looking forward to getting mcdonald pay for service desk job, my previous experience on that position is 5 months and i do not have that much technical skills, i know some basic sql, frontend and messing around in windows, currently messing around in linux but not enough to put it in resume.
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Feb 18, 2020 11:30
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RustyKnight posted:got a call just a day after sending my resume, they are offering much lower pay than what i used to get at basically the same position in another company, looks like they are desperate for people, should I try to negotiate a higher pay anyways? I am really not looking forward to getting mcdonald pay for service desk job, my previous experience on that position is 5 months and i do not have that much technical skills, i know some basic sql, frontend and messing around in windows, currently messing around in linux but not enough to put it in resume. if you have the spare time to spend on interview practice you could consider going through the process just for the experience and then if/when they make you an offer, counter with something reasonable to see the looks on their faces. (or even take it if you’re not worried about the state of the company.) otherwise give your range now to get them to go away. e to clarify: you can’t “negotiate” yet because you don’t have an offer yet, but you can say “anything below x is a waste of both our time.” this might cap you at x, but if you weren’t getting x anyway then who cares.
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Feb 18, 2020 14:13
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raminasi posted:if you have the spare time to spend on interview practice you could consider going through the process just for the experience and then if/when they make you an offer, counter with something reasonable to see the looks on their faces. (or even take it if you’re not worried about the state of the company.) otherwise give your range now to get them to go away. I'm planning on telling them what used to be my pay, what is the minimum i can take and try to negotiate that, still i think I'll take the offer if they want me and will search for something else in the meantime, any job is better than unemployment
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Feb 18, 2020 17:21
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i'm expecting an offer today and i literally can't even think about anything else even though i have work to do and an interview this afternoon
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Feb 18, 2020 17:32
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RustyKnight posted:I'm planning on telling them what used to be my pay, what is the minimum i can take and try to negotiate that, still i think I'll take the offer if they want me and will search for something else in the meantime, any job is better than unemployment don't tell them anything about your prior salary
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Feb 18, 2020 18:01
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silvergoose posted:and report back their reaction i scheduled the meeting with the same name that he used for the meeting last week. he used the words disappointing and sudden, and then sat in stunned silence while i told him what the next two weeks are going to look like. i think he was really upset, and i feel a little bad for him. i didn't mention anything about why i'm leaving for 2/3rds more pay.
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Feb 18, 2020 18:13
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RustyKnight posted:I'm planning on telling them what used to be my pay, why
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in addition to the signing bonus being paid out last week, i just realized they front-loaded vacation and sick time for me instead of doing the normal accrual.
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Feb 18, 2020 18:20
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barkbell posted:in addition to the signing bonus being paid out last week, i just realized they front-loaded vacation and sick time for me instead of doing the normal accrual.  yotj
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Feb 18, 2020 18:30
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barkbell posted:i scheduled the meeting with the same name that he used for the meeting last week. quote:he used the words disappointing and sudden, and then sat in stunned silence while i told him what the next two weeks are going to look like. i think he was really upset, and i feel a little bad for him. and lol forever at managers being stunned when employees leave. we pay you under market and openly discourage you from growing in your career, how could you leave us like this?!??
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Feb 18, 2020 18:38
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barkbell posted:in addition to the signing bonus being paid out last week, i just realized they front-loaded vacation and sick time for me instead of doing the normal accrual.  sucks for all the people coming after you because they're definitely going to fix that
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Feb 18, 2020 19:06
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You can't help not feeling bad for people you've been hanging around with for an extended period of time, but you get over it pretty quick, like by the end of the day, and then start looking forward to figures entering your bank account thick and fast.
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Feb 18, 2020 19:48
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FMguru posted:and lol forever at managers being stunned when employees leave. we pay you under market and openly discourage you from growing in your career, how could you leave us like this?!?? When I left my old job my manager basically told me "yep honestly you're doing the right thing, this company is a shitshow, I'm looking to leave too". He left like 3 months later and even poached one of the teammates for his new company too. I like that guy.
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Feb 18, 2020 19:51
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Captain Foo posted:don't tell them anything about your prior salary if they ask, lie
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Feb 18, 2020 21:39
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finally got walked out. i get to start the new gig next week. direct manager was speechless as said before, and disappeared for a few hours. then i had a chat with his boss, who was visibly fuming. he said some words about burning bridges and boomerang employees. and now a dev on my team just messaged me on linkedin asking how much i'm now making since she's looking. lmao.
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Feb 18, 2020 22:04
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barkbell posted:finally got walked out. i get to start the new gig next week. were they accusing you of burning bridges and that you’d be back or....?
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Feb 18, 2020 22:07
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PIZZA.BAT posted:were they accusing you of burning bridges and that you’d be back or....? He's bent 120° degrees maybe
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Feb 18, 2020 22:09
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PIZZA.BAT posted:were they accusing you of burning bridges and that you’d be back or....? he just said he'd advise me not to burn bridges--not that i was burning a bridge [sic: i was]--especially at a company like this where they have a lot of boomerang employees and they take pride in that.
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Feb 18, 2020 22:14
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barkbell posted:finally got walked out. i get to start the new gig next week. Getting walked out and not having to work for the rest of the week is the best possible result
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Feb 18, 2020 22:20
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You got walked out of the office after tendering your resignation - they are the ones burning bridges, not you. Good riddance.
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Feb 18, 2020 22:22
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i feel like mario bouncing off a goomba’s head i’m going to open a bottle of bubbly and have sex heck ya
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Feb 18, 2020 22:34
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barkbell posted:boss chastised me during review today for mentioning going to meetups and networking events saying it could make people 'uncomfortable'. time to actually brush off the resume in case this interview this week doesn't work out. lol just want to point out again that your boss absolutely knew that you were being underpaid and was afraid of you talking to other people in the industry
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Feb 18, 2020 23:44
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went and made a pitch today to sell the company I started. I feel like I whiffed it a little because I got a little too in the weeds for the venue (ceo and VP). I had just been talking to the operations Director who is much closer to things and was easier to talk shop with. I guess I hope the director pulls for me and they get what I was talking about and how it can work for their company.
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wait what bridges were you supposedly burning just...not staying there forever?
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