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Communist Thoughts posted:having to fight the urge to just let these centrists have a go again and see the labour party permanently die under their sensible stewardship and them having insane meltdowns because the press are still horrible to them even though they've agreed to kill disabled people or whatever the tory rags want that week. You could characterise corbyn's doggedness as a problem given that it meant he wasn't pushed to react. I'm hoping for RLB murdering a journalist live on stage and declaring herself the blood queen of socialism.
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Comrade Fakename posted:But enough about Scotland’s blood-soaked history. Actually the Darien Expedition was good colonialism  Nah, we do need to do a better job educating on Scot's grim roles in the British Empire. Definitely one of those things that tends to get papered over as an inconvenient truth.
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OwlFancier posted:You could characterise corbyn's doggedness as a problem given that it meant he wasn't pushed to react. Finally a candidate I can be enthusiastic about!
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I mean yeah if she did that she'd clearly be the best labour leader ever but we'll see I guess. I think they're all gonna flail about a bit but how they flail might be a bit different. Starmer/nandy are more likely to windsock to the press I think. Butler seems like she might be quite hostile to the press which is a good reason to vote for her IMO.
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gh0stpinballa posted:in my experience they've just repurposed a lot of technological developments to act as constraints on people in a different way. i mean yeah we're not dying at 15 years old in an iron works accident but when you look at the rate of things like stress/psychosis/mental health problems that develop in office admin jobs due to lovely and tedious work/IT software, ridiculous insistence on late evening and weekend working even when workflow doesn't call for it, etc. i mean it's not just that our perceptions of luxury are screwed up, for me it's that the capitalist system actively subjugates people into doing work that doesn't really need doing, or could be automated, as a form of social control. automation only happens when there's a greater profit incentive for a capitalist to do it. the system is happy to waste money on wage slave data entry/cleaning/delivery/admin jobs/etc if it keeps those people away from union meetings, socialist organizers, so forth. Our perceptions of labour/value are all hosed up, where it's seen through how much time we're 'working' and we're alienated from what we produce :cryingMarx: Our perceptions of necessity are all hosed up, keeping us on a treadmill of consumerism where luxury is found through stuff and the next big thing :cryingMarcuse: This means that even if we're only actually doing a few hours of value producing labor per day, we continually grind to justify our existence in some kind of Darwinian-Malthusian bullshit :cryingRussell: And by the unequal distribution of the above three, that lands a whole bunch of us in bullshit jobs :cryingGraeber: But automation plus some kind of better social compact could be liberatory rather than constraining by addressing those. That's the big part of FALC, means of production that don't require operation (automation) but are owned by the common good. CoolCab posted:Al Jolson  forkboy84 posted:Actually the Darien Expedition was good colonialism
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Hearing that the bookies have Starmer at 1/7 to be the next leader.
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OwlFancier posted:You could characterise corbyn's doggedness as a problem given that it meant he wasn't pushed to react. Yeah I was thinking something similar as I posted it. It could also be a sign of the kind of insularity we ended up with, just not caring about stuff coming from outside. For me the real disappointment of Corbynism was all this stuff we assumed was going on: great ground game, building grassroots, alternate media, getting new people in as successors. It seems like that wasn't actually happening after all, or was being attempted but not working. The ground game was decent but majorly mistook enthusiastic corbynistas for grassroots support. For me that's the fundamental issue, what did we actually accomplish, what do we continue with and what is a lost cause or needs changing? It's why though I'm voting RLB I'm not convinced by the "vote RLB to continue democratisation and leftifying the Labour Party" because I'm not sure what the 5 years we just did of that accomplished and much more crucially I'm not sure I trust the RLB team (or anyone else) to know what direction to go either.
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Jedit posted:Hearing that the bookies have Starmer at 1/7 to be the next leader. so I put a fiver on it I'd get, like six pounds back or some horseshit?
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I don't think any of them have a clear plan to fix it but she seems like she's making at least some suggestions I agree with more. Plus also I'm not sure that there necessarily needs to be a plan given that I think a lot hinges on there just being a good left labour alternative when the tories gently caress themselves up, which they seem quite likely to do. So anything that helps the left keep a grip on the party is good. Also as I've said I think they're likely to start up the bullshit again if she wins which is a good excuse to start focusing on the internal conflict and ending it.
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Part of the issue with FALC also is like, where are the raw materials for that automation going to come from? Like, we can't wave a magic wand to make tech no longer dependent on the exploitation of the global south during the transition to this kind of Culture/Star Trek/Whatever global technofuture. Which is not to say it can't happen, but when even asked "how will you solve this" a lot of FALC types just start yelling "luddite" (a word which nobody actually knows the history of apparently) I don't really know what the future can look like or how we solve these problems even if we reduce consumption either, but then I'm just a humble poster and not doing talks about how my vision of living in scrooge mcduck's house is very very good and communist actually.
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OwlFancier posted:I don't think any of them have a clear plan to fix it but she seems like she's making at least some suggestions I agree with more. That would be nice yeah, considering 2025 is probably a lost cause with any of these people we could at least spend the time crushing the saboteurs as it were. Otoh given her comments on things the press monstered corbs on like Israel I don't think RLB has shown any sign of that kind of inclination, the opposite if anything.
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Communist Thoughts posted:That would be nice yeah, considering 2025 is probably a lost cause with any of these people we could at least spend the time crushing the saboteurs as it were. The antisemitism thing I think is tougher because there's the ehrc thing coming out and I don't think any of the candidates are in a position to really fight it at the moment, not without it costing them the leadership. I think the hope is to draw a line under it and if people keep buggering about with it after that, then they will have to take a harsher tack, make the complainers look unreasonable etc. We'll see. There's clearly no route of actual appeasement that works though. But stuff re: the internal right of the party doing their poo poo again? That I think is something that's more open to spilling into active conflict, it will be three leadership elections they've refused to acknowledge then, I think there will be a lot more support internally for doing some serious purging in that case. And it aligns with the idea of open selection and further membership empowerment. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Feb 18, 2020 |
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bionic vapour boy posted:Part of the issue with FALC also is like, where are the raw materials for that automation going to come from? Like, we can't wave a magic wand to make tech no longer dependent on the exploitation of the global south during the transition to this kind of Culture/Star Trek/Whatever global technofuture. Which is not to say it can't happen, but when even asked "how will you solve this" a lot of FALC types just start yelling "luddite" (a word which nobody actually knows the history of apparently) And the best way to make tech no longer dependent on the exploitation of the global south would be to start communally owned automation projects there, rather than in our back yard. McDonnell's proposal to release UK green tech patents free to developing economies would be an example of a step on that road.
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Happy anniversary https://twitter.com/BBCNormanS/status/1098234047405477888?s=20 (I know this isn't from the launch day, but today IS "funny tinge" day)
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forkboy84 posted:Happy anniversary Never forget [cryinggapesonmilk.gif]
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CoolCab posted:Def more. Esyllt doesn't sound particularly star wars at all. What is a "Star Wars" name then? OwlFancier posted:Is that the Welsh name we get Isolde from? I think they're both derived from Iseult, but don't quote me on that.
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bessantj posted:What is a "Star Wars" name then? The Phantom Menace Worf is my favourite Star Wars name. Londo Mollari is my favourite Star Wars name. So on, so forth. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Feb 18, 2020 |
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bessantj posted:What is a "Star Wars" name then? Simple phonetic invented words plus a whole bunch of nominative determinism
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bessantj posted:I think they're both derived from Iseult, but don't quote me on that. 
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forkboy84 posted:The Phantom Menace The bastard who nicked my food bin! Blasmeister posted:Simple phonetic invented words plus a whole bunch of nominative determinism Is that why none of them are named "Sexhaver"?
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bessantj posted:What is a "Star Wars" name then? I’m very glad you asked! Star Wars names – probably more accurately titled “George Lucas” names, as almost all of these examples come from the man himself – have a particular cadence and extremely clearly have a naming scheme. EU authors tend to lean on the crutch pretty hard too. George likes to take an existing often English word (or occasionally, syllable) and add a vowel at the end to make it sound alien, most often O or A. He also likes hinting at the character’s nature with the English word he uses. Once you see this pattern it’s everywhere – Watt-o, who repairs electrical equipment. Greed-o is greedy. Lay-a, the sexy princess. Sole-o, admittedly cheating a bit, prefers to work alone. Chew-y, doglike. Jab-a, a backstabber. Land-o, owns territory. It’s not particularly subtle. He also likes to ground the two syllable name (in either the first or second place) with a single syllable name, and extremely frequently likes to exoticize that with an additional repeated consonant (he does this a lot)– Bob-A FetT, Jang-O FetT. Jab-a the HutT. Lots of examples of the double constant ending names, actually BigGs. PietT. MofF. Etc etc. When I say “guto bebb is a star wars name” it is because it shares these characteristics. For this same reason his wife doesn’t quite trigger it – it’s frankly too original to be one of George’s.
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To be a true and proper Star Wars name it has to be incredibly out there, like Salacious Crumb, Elan Sleazebaggano, or Sheev.
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CoolCab posted:I’m very glad you asked! That made one of us. So would "Iago" be a Star Wars name?
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Wait so we get the GLC back *and* I get to support them as a football team that would clown on the rest of the league like the Harlem Globetrotters? Sign me the gently caress up!
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Ironically Elan Sleazebaggano does have a welsh first name (and lots of death sticks to sell you) Sio Bibble is my favorite Lucas name.
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bessantj posted:That made one of us. Eh, not really. Now, Lago, that's getting closer -Laggo Startouch, we're there.
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You can’t reject something you don’t have access to. any form of meaningful socialism involved the poorest person in the world having access to every material thing Jeff Bezos has. Anything less is just pointlessly swapping out the ruling class I doubt such a society would have much conspicuous consumption, given the lack of anyone who would be impressed by it.
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radmonger posted:You can’t reject something you don’t have access to. I think there still would be, but it would be of a very different kind. In fact even in a complete post-scarcity society where anything imaginable is freely and instantly available there'd still be a bit of one-upmanship and cachet in having a certain colour of ice-cream-making GBS threads unicorn, or having a jetpack that looked more Rocketeer than Buck Rogers. The rather prosaic example I'd use is my school - the uniform was pretty strictly enforced, could only be bought from one shop, and almost everyone got it on vouchers anyway - so incredible amounts of attention were paid to the particular way you did up your tie, if you did or didn''t have visible turnups (everyone did because of course the trousers were always bought two sizes too big for kids to grow into), and even stuff like whether you kept anything in the inside pocket of the jacket (I never *did* find out why that was such an incredible faux pas).
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CoolCab posted:Eh, not really. Now, Lago, that's getting closer -Laggo Startouch, we're there. Largo is, if not a Star Wars name, then at least a LucasArts one 
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sebzilla posted:Largo is, if not a Star Wars name, then at least a LucasArts one 2,4,6,8, who do we assassinate?
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The rather prosaic example I'd use is my school - the uniform was pretty strictly enforced, could only be bought from one shop, and almost everyone got it on vouchers anyway - so incredible amounts of attention were paid to the particular way you did up your tie, if you did or didn''t have visible turnups (everyone did because of course the trousers were always bought two sizes too big for kids to grow into), and even stuff like whether you kept anything in the inside pocket of the jacket (I never *did* find out why that was such an incredible faux pas). Why concern about 'ruining the line of the suit' resurfaced as a school thing decades later,  But I'll happily roll with the four-in-hand gang if it means that's the only thing left we've got to fight about, and it's a whole lot better than a minority making GBS threads over the surface of the planet in a consumption war that the most affected can't even afford entry to.
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Sanitary Naptime posted:To be a true and proper Star Wars name it has to be incredibly out there, like Salacious Crumb, Elan Sleazebaggano, or Sheev. gonna change my name by deed poll to Bossk
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Junior G-man posted:https://twitter.com/Andrew_Adonis/status/1229676348618178560?s=19 https://twitter.com/WhatEvil/status/1229796835457368064?s=20 Post-Me-Own-Tweet-Dibbler. Just because I can't be arsed to upload the image again. But yeah, the same kind of people who like Tony Blair like.... Ed Milliband, and we all saw how great Ed did. TBF if Ed were actually being himself instead of being guided by the likes of Ayesha Hazarika then he probably would have done better. Still.
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WhatEvil posted:
New-fangled Reasons To Be Cheerful would still get mangled by the press, but I like him a lot better and he seems to have much improved his policies. Still not PM material I would like, but I gotta give him some dues.
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