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I'm pretty sure Mikey Palmice was the only made guy to do cardio and look at where it got him.
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Mikey ran all the way to hell... with a penny and a broken cigarette.
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she couldn't even handle a Nancy Drew, it was too mysterious
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Jack2142 posted:I'm pretty sure Mikey Palmice was the only made guy to do cardio and look at where it got him. Vito must have done some
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DarkCrawler posted:Vito must have done some Once he gets his hip surgery, sure!
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DarkCrawler posted:Vito must have done some "Four miles every day I walk!"
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Jack2142 posted:I'm pretty sure Mikey Palmice was the only made guy to do cardio and look at where it got him. Ray does it in the s6 opener
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And Tony uses the elliptical like twice.
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Feb 17, 2020 17:33
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Pope Corky the IX posted:And Tony uses the elliptical like twice. *Tony talking about how much cardio when he played football here*
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Vichan posted:"Four miles every day I walk!" :johnnycakes:
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Dawgstar posted:*Tony talking about how much cardio when he played football here* All I know is he never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
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BiggerBoat posted:All I know is he never had the makings of a varsity athlete. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJjmFV0ImaA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjSad5BDU8M&t=95s
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https://youtu.be/rqexL5oGmBc?t=53
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That had to be a little bit scary for whats his name
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“Maybe you should start sucking cock instead of watching TV Land...” doesn’t get enough love.
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codo27 posted:That had to be a little bit scary for whats his name I don't know if there are many people who do 'too mad to function' better than Gandolfini did.
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Dawgstar posted:I don't know if there are many people who do 'too mad to function' better than Gandolfini did. At times I feel like he's channeling Moe from the Three Stooges, his anger can be just so over the top and absurd. I especially got that feeling during the recent scene we saw where he picks AJ up from jail.
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Oh, I've never thought that. My father would make the same unhinged wide-eyed expression and start spitting when he'd get furious, it's actually hard to watch some scenes due to that.
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A lot of actors can play mad well but what Gandolfini is so brilliant at is channeling that sense of building rage. All the scenes with him beating up Georgie are hilarious because you can see the rage building in Tony long before he actually commits violence.
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One of my favorite little touches is that Gandolfini will turn his pinky ring around if he's going to punch someone. It's barely noticeable at first, but if you're looking for it, you'll see he does it every time without fail. He even does it during the argument with Ralph after the fire at least thirty seconds before he finally hits him.
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Ginette Reno posted:A lot of actors can play mad well but what Gandolfini is so brilliant at is channeling that sense of building rage. All the scenes with him beating up Georgie are hilarious because you can see the rage building in Tony long before he actually commits violence. It is true, you can see him start heading down the road toward violence before it happens and it is awesome to watch, his performance is out of this world. Pope Corky the IX posted:One of my favorite little touches is that Gandolfini will turn his pinky ring around if he's going to punch someone. It's barely noticeable at first, but if you're looking for it, you'll see he does it every time without fail. He even does it during the argument with Ralph after the fire at least thirty seconds before he finally hits him. For sure. It is extra interesting when he does it before he fights Perry Annunziata because he usually does it in a rage but this time it is very cold and considered.
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banned from Starbucks posted:Ray does it in the s6 opener Cardio = Death in the Mafia
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Pope Corky the IX posted:One of my favorite little touches is that Gandolfini will turn his pinky ring around if he's going to punch someone. It's barely noticeable at first, but if you're looking for it, you'll see he does it every time without fail. He even does it during the argument with Ralph after the fire at least thirty seconds before he finally hits him. this is yet another great catch. I have gotten more out of this thread than any Sopranos website/twitter feed/whatever, it never fails to amaze. I love all of you fuckers for this.
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In the coming episode, which I just got done with for the first time myself, was Fat Dom someone we met before or a new guy? I had a pretty long break between finishing season 4 and starting 5+6
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This was his first ever appearance. Speaking of this episode....
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Season 6, Episode 10 - Moe n' JoeJanice Soprano posted:There's nothing holding us together but DNA. For the first time since season 4, we see Tony Soprano walk down his driveway to collect his newspaper. This perhaps more than anything else signals a return to what passes for normalcy in his life: his separation is over, he's recovered from the shooting and surgery and the miracle of being able to walk again has turned into begrudgingly trudging down the drive on a cold Winter's morning to get his paper. Sal Vitro has been eating a meal after finishing some gratis landscaping work, and approaches Tony now to let him know he's tented his bulbs. Tony seems initially uncertain what that actually means then just nods in affirmation and makes to leave, but Sal isn't quite done yet. Timidly, he asks how much longer he's expected to work on the Sacrimonis' yard for free? He's been doing it over a year now "against the arm" which is clearly fully healed now. Tony is surprised and then offended, reminding Sal that he was more than happy (he wasn't!) for them to fix (they didn't!) his Feech La Manna problem (Feech worked for Tony!) but now doesn't want to show gratitude? Filling with a pure moral outrage only the biggest of hypocrites can ever call on, Tony points out that with John in prison Ginny needs Sal's help more than ever, going so far as to call the hapless gardener selfish. He heads back up the drive, revolted by this thoughtless monster Sal Vitro! Johnny Sack has bigger things on his mind than free lawn-care though. Smoking heavily, he meets with his lawyer Ronald Pearse who lets him know that while no date has yet been set, he's been told to keep his calendar clear for the next five weeks: the trial is coming. Even worse, the audit team has finished assessing his net worth and demonstrated an unnerving ability to sniff out every single thing of value, including 180k he was keeping under his father's name in Boca Raton. All told, Johnny Sack - long-time Underboss and current Boss of the Lupertazzi Crime Family - is worth roughly $5 million dollars. Johnny listens with dismay as Ron lists everything he has, all at risk of being taken away and leaving him with nothing... but worse than that, leaving GINNY with nothing. Quietly Ron not for the first time points out it is his duty to raise the idea of cooperating with the FBI in order to get a better deal. John shuts that down immediately, pointing out to his Jewish Lawyer that asking an Italian Mobster to be a rat is the same as asking a Jew to become a Nazi. Ron firmly and bravely agrees with this stance, pointing out dramatically that he does NOT represent turncoats. Johnny Sack is no fool though, grumpily pointing out that the reason for this is because it would hurt Ron's legal business to do so.   Inside Satriale's, Janice can be seen screaming at the poor sap behind the counter, baby Domenica sitting her pram taking this all in. She heads into the backroom where Tony is reading a porno-mag he quickly tucks away under a clipboard, as if he was still a teenager getting caught with jerk-off material. The reason for her anger is that she ordered a stuffed pork loin and it's not there, and she accuses him of having grabbed it for himself for Carmela to cook. In spite of his unconscious reversion to the power dynamic of their younger days with the porno mag, he can't help but smirk as he points out that you get what you pay for, suggesting that Janice simply ordered but didn't pay for the meat (you can bet Tony didn't either). This kicks off a growing list of resentments and anger between them, as Janice accuses Tony of enjoying belittling her and Bobby and holding them down, accusing him blaming them for getting shot by Uncle Junior. Here Tony at least admits with seeming candor that he can't blame anybody but himself, but Janice isn't mollified by this, noting he sure blames her for SOMETHING. He does admit that he finds Bobby's model railroads childish, going so far as to "joke" that Bobby has "no genes" since Domenica looks so much like Janice. When she complains that he should be Captain by now (presumably to replace the now disavowed Junior Soprano) and that marrying the Boss' sister is usually a fast track up the ladder, he leaps on this complaint to claim that this was the entire reason for her visit and her anger, not the pork loin. But he is put off his game when she reminds him with what appears to be genuine emotion about how she sat with him in the hospital and cried for him when she thought he was going to die. Slightly shaken, he tells her honestly that he appreciates she did this... but also with returning arrogant assurance points out that even if he did help Bobby out, she'd still be here demanding more. "My God, there's nothing holding us together but DNA," a mortified Janice announces, and wheels Domenica out, leaving an unsettled Tony behind. They both gave as good as they got, but even a surface-level reading of the scene shows that nothing is quite exactly what it seems. There are decades of resentment, gamesmanship and struggles for ascendancy radiating off this scene. Janice knows exactly what to say to guilt her brother while also making herself come across as reasonable, pointing out a number of her own flaws so he can't throw them at her as accusations. Tony knows exactly what to say to get her angry, which in turn excuses HIM to get angry back while putting the blame on her. Tony laughed that Domenica had all of Janice's genes, which is ironic, since they're both so clearly their mother's children. In New Hampshire, Vito idly doodles faces, ladders, eyeballs and skulls like a bored kid forced to study in the school library. The library is exactly where he is, reading motorcycle books and racing papers while pretending to be researching for the book he very clearly is NOT writing. After making a call to the "nearest" gaming place he could find and finding out they only really have slot machines and blackjack, he hangs up his cell and takes a swig of a bottle of vodka tucked into his shirt... which is when Jim shows up like an angry parent to demand to know what the hell he's doing. Yes, he's figured out that "Vince" isn't doing any writing at all, unless Rocky Marciano liked greyhound racing and he's trying to get into the same mindset! Panicked, Vito at first lies but when a disgusted Jim just turns and leaves, he races after him as fast as he can. Outside he's torn between a lifetime of constant lying/double-lives and the knowledge that Jim is willing to walk away from anything but the truth. So he finds a middle ground, and tells a mixture of the truth, lies by omission and one outright lie. He admits he's from New Jersey and not Scottsdale and that he isn't a writer. He explains he had to leave in a rush but only gives "some poo poo went down" as the reason. He admits he's struggling to keep it together as his money runs out and he has no plan, and he also misses the life he left behind and the contracting company he once ran. After some hesitation he admits he misses his wife and children too, his first admission to Jim that he is married. Here he tells the only outright lie, as casually he explains he actually got divorced several years earlier. Jim can believe this lie though, because it matches his own life, he too was once married and of course he had (and still has) a kid. He gets closer and smells the alcohol on Vito's breath, and Vito (still known as Vince to Jim) uses honesty to good effect again as he snaps that he is struggling to deal with everything but most of all with Jim. Because he didn't come to New Hampshire to fall in love, and Jim like so many poor fools before him melts at the man he loves telling him how much he loves him back. Lovingly he assures him that they'll get through it together, and that if he needs money he knows people who could use a good handyman to do odd jobs around their homes. Vito smiles, Jim smiles, and for the moment at least everything is okay again... for now.   Ginny Sacrimoni is shocked and teary-eyed surprised to open the door and find Carmela, Rosalie, Gabriella, Janice and Angie at the door bellowing out a happy birthday to her. It's her 50th and they don't mean to let her celebrate it alone, and more to the point they're sending a very clear signal that she has NOT been forgotten or abandoned now that Johnny is in prison and looking likely to be there a long time. Carmela calls out a greeting to Sal Vitro in the front yard, doubled over carrying branch cuttings, and he offers a forced smile and wave before leaving, Carmela shaking her head about what a mope her indentured servant is. Inside, Gabriella pours drinks while Angie paces the hall barking angry orders into her phone back to the body shop. Trying their best to ignore her, the others talk to Ginny who admits that her daughters visit when they can but the newlywed Allegra has been a "little bitchy". Gabriella smirks that she's probably just freaked out that SHE isn't happier herself now that the immediate glow of marriage has faded. Janice enters from the kitchen carrying cake and complimenting Ginny rapturously on how beautiful the gigantic home is, reminding her of the villas she saw in Italy. Ginny thanks her but admits she feels guilty that she spends most of her time in the upstairs bedroom. Carmela attempts to keep her mood up in spite of Ginny admitting her fears over Johnny being in "that place" (a fear she has for Tony and herself, of course), but isn't helped by her growing irritation with Angie being in a world of her own.... and a successful one at that. Vito comes to bed with an enthusiastic Jim, where he finds himself in an unusual situation. Often feeling constrained by the domestic side of his closeted life, now in New Hampshire where he lives free he finds himself in a similar domestic situation, but this time in a homosexual relationship he only ever experienced before as one-night stands. He's moved in with Jim, they've had dinner, now he's come to bed to now just "sleep" with him but to sleep with him too.. hell, he's even complaining about how cold Jim's feet are! They make out, and Vito seems torn between desire and confusion. In a stunning example of subtlety and nuance, the very next shot is of a train entering a mountain tunnel! It's one of Bobby's model trains, and he's enjoying running his set as Bobby Jr enters the garage to collect his bike. Excitedly he tells his son he found a woodland mountain, and suggests he check out the "Moe n' Joe" action on a Lionel Flatcar. Bobby Jr isn't particularly interested though, Rafe's brother is making a music video and they have dry ice! Sadly desperate for his son to share his passion with him as he apparently has in the past, Bobby offers to race trains with his son and even lets him know he can crash it. Bobby Jr, clearly not wanting to upset his dad but also mildly embarrassed by all this, shakes his head and leaves on his bike to see the wonders of dry ice. It is one of those moments that he will probably grow to regret as he gets older, but in the moment he would rather be anywhere but there. Tony finds Carmela looking through bills and comments on how dour she's looking, and with a sigh she points out that she has been holding herself back because he has been "sick", but now reminds him he promised to speak with the building inspector. For a second you can tell he hasn't got a clue what the hell she's talking about, and she curtly reminds him about her spec house (the one that was the price of his return to married life). Belatedly it comes back to him and he assures her (perhaps truthfully) that Little Paulie has made headway with the supervisor but the inspector himself is a real piece of work. He promises he will get Sil onto it next. The next day at the Bada Bing he passes on the news to Sil, admitting he had completely forgotten about it. Johnny Sack's brother-in-law Anthony Infante arrives requesting to see Tony, handing him over an expensive pen he's started carrying in his store. Tony manages to find a way to passive-aggressively complain about this freebie too (things really ARE back to normal) but waves off Infante's offer of a fountain pen instead. They sit, and Infante gets down to business after Sil leaves the room (not without a little fun at Infante's expense first), explaining that Johnny needs Tony's help. The side-benefit of the financial audit is that it has shown Johnny all the things that the FBI does NOT know about, including his silent partnership in a heavy equipment leasing company based in New Orleans. That gets Tony's attention, in the wake of Hurricane Katrina he knows that FEMA is forking out giant contracts for the rebuild and has taken advantage himself (he blesses Dick Cheney for his poor management of the whole thing). That's the reason for Infante's visit, John knows that Tony has some knowledge of the region and he needs a source of cash due to his "liquidity" problems, so he wants Tony to convince the other partners to sell. Even so Tony is surprised that HE is being asked, but isn't entirely surprised when Infante explains John doesn't want Phil Leotardo involved: it seems Phil's growing disdain for his Boss and his own self-interest hasn't gone unnoticed. Infante notes that Johnny is asking as a friend (Tony shrugs, unfazed) and also that there's a finder's fee (Tony is instantly attentive and interested).   Jim was able to find "Vince" some handyman work as promised, but an honest day's labor is something Vito isn't particularly well-versed in despite his long career in construction. Noting nobody is around as he pours concrete powder into a mixer, he retreats into a barn to lay down for a nap. Shortly after he's caught by the owner of the home, who angrily demands to know what he's doing. He insists he wasn't sleeping, just resting his hips, and when she storms off disgusted he complains loudly that he was supposed to get surgery! Tony returns home and sees Carmela at the table going through more paperwork, and is confused. He asks if he is early, confusing her, and he explains he came home expecting dinner. She's got bigger things on her mind though, she's interviewing a potential new contractor for her Spec House, the same one that built Ginny's home and apparently at a good price. Tony is upset when she gestures vaguely at the counter, she ordered in sandwiches from Italianissimo. To his mind, he's been a "good boy" by coming home on time, having dinner with her, not sleeping with random women (for Tony, he feels this is some great hurdle he has heroically overcome) and she repays him by ordering in some sandwiches!?! Grumpily he reminds her that her dad built their current home and did far more than the "decent" job Ginny's contractor did, ignoring her pointing out how much Janice loved the place to warn her that replacing her father as contractor could cost her time in the long run. But she quietly ignores all that, leaving him to grumpily pick at his sandwich, managing to burn his fingers in the process. In therapy, he manages to simultaneously complain and compliment Carmela regarding her passion for the Spec House. He loves that she has "these little projects" but not at the expense of what he clearly feels is her actual function: looking after him and his every need. For once Melfi gets right to the heart of the matter: he wants to encourage her to pursue her Spec House.... so long as it doesn't in any way affect HIS life. Tony doesn't really dispute it, instead he explains the "understanding" he and Carmela came to when they reconciled: he would finance the Spec House, she would take a "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy towards his work and "recreational life". Melfi ignores the work part, always an area he is reluctant to discuss, and focuses on the recreational stuff. He'd slept around on Carmela plenty before, now that he has effectively carte blanche to do so he hasn't actually been taking advantage. Tony agrees this is the case and perhaps surprises her when he notes that he's fine with this, his failure to cheat on his wife isn't the source of frustration, it seems that his wife having her own life/interests outside of his own is the real problem. He sits in silence for a few moments, fingers drumming the side of the chair, struggling to articulate how he is feeling. Instead he turns to addressing issues with another woman in his life: his sister. He explains about her recent blow-up at Satriale's, but provides a context we were unaware of. Satriale's isn't just the place Tony currently hangs out at times or where the family gets free meat from. It was a place where he and Janice played together as children when Johnny Boy would drop them off while running errands. With genuine warmth Tony tells of how they'd steal cigarettes, play house (Melfi's mind snaps that up) and get on extremely well... so why does he now take such joy in making GBS threads all over her and Bobby? He admits that Janice was right when she accused him of this, and he doesn't understand it. Any chance he gets to mock or look down on the two of them pleases him, even when they once told him that Uncle Junior might need to start wearing adult diapers, Tony was more focused on the joy the thought of Bobby having to change Junior brought him. Even as she grew older, Tony still respected Janice, admired her even. She was the older sister, the cool one, and the fact she'd stand up to Livia and give as good as she got had an enormous impact on him. But she was also only ever defending herself, not him, and with disgust he tells the story of the time she babysat him and Barbara and taped them having an argument. She used that recording to extort Tony to be her servant for a month, making her bed and bringing her things. Melfi asks if she did this to Barbara as well and Tony grunts that this isn't the point. It is, but he is too narcissistic to see it: this wasn't just an older sister lording it up over her siblings like all older kids have done at some point. This was Janice holding one up over HIM, over Tony Soprano, the most important person in the world. Angry now, Tony asks Melfi if she REALLY still doesn't understand after 5 years why a member of his family taping him upsets him. It's bullshit of course, they were just kids and this has nothing to do with organized crime or being a rat. But Tony can use the realities of adulthood to project a darker and more forbidden context to what was a perfectly ordinary thing for a kid to do. All in order to justify his own continued lashing out towards his sister today, when what he really wants is to get revenge on the younger version forever safely locked away in the past.  Infante meets with Johnny Sack, where he struggles to talk his way through code and double-speak he has no grounding in. Finally he gets it out to a frustrated Johnny that Tony has agreed to convince the two partners to sell up, but he wants a bigger finder's fee than what Johnny was offering. Knowing he has no choice, Johnny agrees, and then asks his brother-in-law if he got Ginny the cake with the marzipan icing? Infante furrows his brow and tries to figure out what this is secret Mafia code for, and a pissed off Johnny explains he means an actual, legitimate cake for his wife (and Infante's sister) on her birthday! This is what happens when you cut Phil Leotardo out of the picture. Jim is awoken in bed by his beeper, signalling an emergency he needs to respond to. Vito gets up and gets dressed too, insisting that he coming with him. Jim agrees but with a warning to stand clear, but when they arrive at the Church Vito learns from one of the volunteer firemen that the basement is flooded and the pastor trapped on a crate. They can't reach him due to a dangling live wire, whoever remodeled the place cut corners and has put lives at risk. Vito considers this, noting that he got started in Electrical when he was a contractor. Shortly after he's nervously climbing a ladder set up against the side of the church, carrying cutters. He looks at the power lines and carefully cuts one safely, then the other, and to his great relief isn't electrocuted in the process. With the power off, the firemen can rush in and get the pastor out, and Vito clambers down the ladder to a hero's welcome... from everybody but Jim. Angrily he approaches "Vince" and reminds him he warned him to keep clear, and when Vito complains back that the pastor was going to get cooked, Jim accuses him of trying to be a big man. They shove at each other but the other firemen break it up, one taking control and insisting they get back to work shutting down the water and draining the basement. Afterwards, they head out to a bar for some drinks and to let the exhilaration wear down. Vito laughs and admits he thought they were "morons" initially for putting themselves in harm's way, but now he can see the rush that comes from it. They take it good-naturedly, suggesting he volunteer too since they can always use another moron. Jim isn't sharing in the laughter though, quietly reminding everybody that this is a passion and requires commitment. Slightly troubled, Vito reuses his line about needing hip surgery, and the others joke that he'll forget all about "this craphole" once his publisher green-lights his book. Still feeling the rush, Vito suggests they play some darts for money but they beg off, it's almost midnight and time to get some sleep. He's bewildered, it's only barely midnight! Where he comes from the night is just getting started, they should play poker! But these guys have jobs and lives and they're exhausted now that the rush is over. They're going home to bed, and Vito and Jim are left behind soon to head to their own home to settle down for the night. Something Vito is starting to remember he finds less than stimulating regardless of the person he is sleeping with. A man who DOES love the domestic life is Bobby, but he's out late too, picking up a collection from a sports book in Newark (is it Roseville, which Bobby and Vito argued over so intensely at the start of the season?). Outside he is crossing through a vacant lot when a man slips out from behind a burned out van and smashes him with a baseball bat. Bobby is a giant but he goes down hard from the unexpected shot, and an entire gang of young black gangsters surround him and continue the beating, asking if he's a winner or loser coming out of the bookie's so late? They find his envelope and are delighted to find it stuffed with $3000, while Bobby has quickly gone from,"Do you know who I am?" to begging them just to take the money and go, because he has kids. One mugger pulls out a gun and another, younger one eagerly eggs him on to shoot. The mugger closes his eyes and squeezes the trigger, missing Bobby and hitting the ground... but the shrapnel bounces up and right into his eye. Bobby screams in pain as the gang scatters, one demanding to know why the other pulled the trigger even though they were all egging him on. Bobby is left crying in pain... but still alive.   Tony meets with the two public partners in Bayou Leasing for dinner, where he lays out exactly what is going to happen: the company is valued at 6 million, they're going to sell up and give Johnny his half within 30 days. That's it, no haggling over percentages or timeframe. The two partners are brother-in-laws, and the younger one complains to the older for not being able to control his football gambling habit, which is what lead to Johnny becoming their silent partner after a 50k loan turned into a 500k investment they had no choice but to take. But as Tony starts to seethe and remind them that they're only in such a strong financial position currently because of John, the younger partner is quick to assure him that they're all on the same page. They all stand to make a lot of money from the sale and that is absolutely fine by him, he plans to buy a boat and enjoy retirement at a young age. But the older partner, the one who got them into all this trouble in the first place, feels differently. With all the money pouring into New Orleans they stand to make an even larger fortune in the long run and he resents being forced to sell up now in order to save Johnny's rear end. Insulting Tony by implication, he notes that Tony "fancies himself a businessman" and asks if HE would sell in this climate. "If Johnny Sacrimoni asked me to" Tony adds back simply. Angry, the older partner storms away from the table after throwing some cash down, leaving his brother-in-law sitting horrified, seeing the 1.5 million he was expecting disappearing AND knowing that now they've got a Mafia Boss potentially pissed off at them. Tony though doesn't react, he's come down and done what he was asked to do, the fallout from this refusal isn't his to dish out. Later that night he sits at home snoozing during a movie, a bowl of ice cream on his chest when his phone rings. It's Paulie, wanting to know if Tony heard about Bobby. He has, Janice called and gave him the news, but Tony clearly doesn't give a poo poo, he didn't even go to the hospital to look in on him. Paulie talks about how the doctors are hopeful about saving his eye, giving Tony the chance to go off on a little rant about how doctors can't be trusted. Tony, by the way, is only recently out of hospital after surviving getting gut-shot, being in a coma and escaping with his physical and mental faculties completely intact. But his bitching reminds him of something, didn't Paulie have some kind of issue with his prostate? What ever happened with that? Paulie admits that the result was exactly what he feared: cancer. Now THIS makes Tony sit up and take notice, shocked to learn that Paulie was sitting on this news. Happily they caught it early and the doctors says it hasn't spread, and he's taking a course of radiation that will hopefully shrink it down. Tony is further blown away by this, is he losing his hair? Thankfully not Paulie admits, commenting that he must have done something good in his life (he hasn't), because quietly insisting to Tony that the cancer diagnosis was for his ears only. Tony agrees, he saw his best friend die of cancer and knows it isn't something to be loosely talked about, and hangs up. Bobby is completely forgotten, if Tony had even remembered him in the first place. Bobby and Janice were constantly at his bedside or looking out for him while he was in his coma, Tony was nowhere to be seen. The next day at the Bada Bing, Tony arrives in the back room where Carlo and Little Paulie are playing pool while Silvio goes through paperwork and Paulie is just hanging out. They ask him if he heard about Bobby, Carlo in particular being sympathetic to Bobby who is, after all, Tony's brother-in-law AND a good earner. But Tony just grunts it was dumb of Bobby to be out there alone so late, and Paulie parrots back Tony's comment from the previous night about how the cops don't even go out there anymore. Paulie's reactions are significant, because last night he was very much sympathetic to Bobby but he saw the lay of the land with Tony and has adjusted accordingly. Carlo doesn't follow the same pattern, he continues to defend Bobby, especially the fact that he still made sure to get the cash to make up for the stolen collection, which Carlo passes over to Tony now. Here Tony says something irredeemably stupid. In front of his Consigliere and two of his Captains, Tony grunts,"gently caress that loyalty and honor bullshit" as he counts through the money. As far as heis concerned, Bobby getting the cash to Tony was a maneuver to keep himself out of trouble for loving up. Carlo takes this in quietly, looking dismayed to hear it. Yes they all know on some level that it really is about nothing but money, but they've all at least usually maintained at least the facade that being a Mobster is about community and brotherhood. Even Tony seems to sense he's maybe gone too far with his open contempt, as he casts a quick look Silvio's way and angrily asks him,"What?", challenging him to say anything. Silvio, who wasn't even looking at him, says nothing back and offers no challenge that would enrage his Boss, and Tony goes back to silently counting.  
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Also counting is the Federal Prosecutor, who sits with Ronald Pearse going over Johnny Sack's assets again, which include Ginny's IRA, in order to work out what kind of plea deal they're willing to accept. It isn't good news, she wants to take 90% of Johnny's assets AND give him at least 20 years in prison, a deal that Pearse would never in a million years accept if he wants to keep getting work from the mob. He reminds her that she came to him, so clearly they do want to make a deal no matter how much she talks up the strength of the evidence against Johnny. So his counter is that they leave alone everything that isn't Johnny's specifically. Ginny can keep the house, her IRA, the Yukon and the deed on the daughter's condo.... and he only does 12 years in prison. He might have had her up till that last point, but she immediately shuts it down, there is no way they're giving the Boss of one of the 5 Families only 12 years for Conspiracy to Commit Murder. Tony has finally gone to see Bobby... at his house, for dinner. In other words, a normal family gathering. Bobby is not upset though, happily sitting with one eye bandaged watching football with Tony in the lounge. Bobby goes so far being the good host as to actually offer to swap seats when Tony tries to recline his and discover it is broken. Tony insists he is fine, his willingness to poo poo on Bobby not going THAT far. Janice brings them both a beer and lets them know Carmela is running late picking up her parents, and that Tom and Barbara are getting wine which has delayed them. Belatedly remembering that Bobby is on painkillers, she wordlessly removes the beer from his hand which he doesn't protest, even if clearly he was looking forward to drinking it. Tony notes this quietly, then watches as Bobby Jr tries to slip out of the house, listens as Bobby Jr criticizes his own father for being too cheap to get the satellite package that would let him watch the Chargers instead of the Giants who he hates, before complaining that AJ didn't have to come to family dinner so why should he? Janice arrives from nowhere again, and a startled Tony watches as she effortlessly and easily brings Bobby Jr to heel. AJ isn't there because he has a job, would Bobby Jr like to get a job? But before he can, maybe he'd like to read his latest report card to everybody in the house? Bobby Jr's attempts to smile in typical teenage disinterest falter as she cuts him down, and she dismisses him with an order to go complete his Spanish homework BEFORE dinner. He goes upstairs, beaten, while Janice charmingly asks Sophia to go set the table. She returns to the kitchen, leaving behind a brother who for the first time is seeing her as a mother and not just somebody who got her hooks into Bobby for an in into the Family Business she escaped from as a teenager. But he also sees Bobby quietly let Janice run everything, and Janice's impressive management of her house if anything reminds him just how like Livia Soprano she can sometimes be. In therapy, Tony initially starts talking about Bobby's eye injury but quickly shifts to his continuing rage towards Janice, about how she attracts drama and creams herself over misery. Pointedly, Melfi asks if this reminds him of anybody, but he pushes on past the obvious comparison to Livia to complain about one of the things eating at him about her. The Janice he saw at Sunday dinner was an accomplished mother who had her children under control... but that's not the Janice he grew up with. His big sister Janice was a rebel, an individual, beloved and desired by all. She was beautiful and "built" (he cups his hands over his chest), all the older guys would kiss Tony's rear end and buy him gifts in the hopes of getting in good with her. But all that is gone now, like he once lamented to Carmela about Meadow, she became a robot like the rest of us. Melfi asks him if he felt sexually threatened by Janice when he was younger, and after a couple beats before what she means sinks in, he snaps angrily that she needs to make up her sick mind over whether he wanted to gently caress his mother or his sister. But she pushes on, making a sibling the subject of initial sexual feelings is a perfectly normal thing, and she probably had mutual feelings about him. She brings up the afternoons they spent "playing house", a little fact he probably regrets telling her, but asks him to consider that whether sexual or not, they had a bond in their youth... so what happened? Here we get the crux of the matter, as Tony unleashes long buried rage. Janice left, she ran away from home and left him behind, the good boy who did as he was told (like Bobby and Bobby Jr?) and got stuck with their mother while Janice was having a good time across the country and around the world. Janice abandoned them (more specifically, HIM) and laughed at their life and their business and their culture... and now decades later she's not only back but actively trying to get a piece of the action she once turned her nose up at. Face screwed up like a toddler throwing a tantrum, Tony snarls that she'll get nothing, it's all for him. And there it is, the thing underpinning it all. Tony is a child, an angry, stubborn, selfish child holding a grudge over how unfair it is that his big sister gets to come along and benefit from HIS work. The good little boy who does as he's told is the Boss now and feels like he is above ever having to share or capitulate again, especially not to his sister or the poor dope who married her.   Vito cooks a romantic, candlelit dinner for Jim as he plays Dean Martin songs. Jim returns from an emergency call and is surprised but pleased to see what Vito has done for him. He settles at the table as Vito lays out the courses he has prepared, and agrees that he can see why Vito misses this kind of thing. He steps up behind Vito as he continues chopping onions and embraces him, and Vito smiles and tells him he'll have to wait for that. But Jim holds him tighter, and tells him that he has only really just realized what a dick he was the other night at the Church. Vito agrees he was but forgives him, but Jim wants to really hammer home how sorry he is, as for the first time he openly admits that he loves him. Vito reciprocates, telling "Johnnycakes" that he loves him too. It would be sweet if it wasn't for the fact that even now, Jim still thinks his name is Vincent. Next is one of my all-time favorite scenes, proof that sometimes doing something basic and straightforward works just fine. Vito attends another one of the handyman jobs that Jim lined up for him. In a scene that millions around the world can surely identify with, Vito attempts to avoid clock-watching as he works hard through the day, imagining the lunch Jim prepared for him and how once it is eaten the workday will be half done. Used to sitting around doing nothing all day, Vito is flummoxed by having to actually WORK all day, but he continues at it, mentally considering the time, playing little mind-games to stave off boredom. Finally, after an eternity he judges from the angle of the sun that it's almost noon and he finally relents and checks his watch... and discovers it's not even 10am yet.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUgHDXOdUos The next morning Jim wakes and hears running water from the bathroom. He calls out at him to jiggle the toilet, but "Vincent" doesn't reply. Getting up, Jim makes his way around the bed... and spots that the wardrobe has been emptied out. In a panic he checks the drawers and sees them empty too. He calls out to "Vincent" and gets no reply, and looks out the window where he sees the car is missing. "Vincent" is gone, Vito is on his way back to New Jersey. Pearse meets with Johnny to give him the latest counter-offer made by the Prosecutor, with the caveat that the judge himself gets to decide if the deal sticks. They're offering 15 years in prison (Johnny's heart sinks) and $4.1 million in assets... but they can keep the home, the 45k in equity for his daughters' life insurance policies, and Ginny's IRA. Taking this deal or going to trial are his ONLY options, and Pearse sells it as best he can by pointing out that at only 52, in the worst case scenario taking the deal Johnny will be out at 67-years-old, the "golden years" when he can enjoy his grandchildren. The trial is a complete unknown and potentially financially ruinous, but one thing sticks in Johnny's craw... the allocution. Pearse reminds him that on this the prosecutors will NOT budge, the entire reason they're willing to offer a deal in the first place is because it would mean a Mafia Boss would have to give an allocution. Swallowing his pride and dignity, Johnny Sack agrees to take the deal. Pearse goes to leave but Johnny stops him, face glowing with nostalgic pride as he explains that Ginny's IRA comes from when she worked the tie counter at a department store... it's where she and Johnny first met, many decades ago. It is left unsaid here, but she is the reason why he is willing to violate a code supposedly considered sacrosanct: she won't have to struggle to survive, she can keep the home, and in 15 years they can be together again. Which is all he has ever, really, truly wanted from life. Vito is leaving behind what he always wanted, the freedom to be himself. Because he's always been a man of conflicting desires: a closeted homosexual who found love in New Hampshire... but who craves the freedom and money and excess that came with being in the mob. Tears running down his cheeks, he drinks heavily from his bottle of vodka as he draws closer to New Jersey and the life he left behind.   Tony wanders down to the kitchen in the morning and is upset there is no mocha mix. Meadow, eating breakfast at the counter, complains that Carmela hasn't been shopping so she couldn't get the fresh blueberries she was looking forward to. Ignoring the entitled selfishness (which he has in abundance) of his daughter, he asks why she is hanging around this morning and through a forced smile she explains that she and Finn were supposed to go to a movie, she decided not to go but told him he could if he wanted... and he went! Tony doesn't grasp the significance but does pick up on her anger and warns her not to take it out on him, and she apologizes... then breaks down into tears as she starts telling her bewildered father about how things aren't going well between her and Finn. Loading up the microwave, he shambles over and pats her awkwardly on the back, telling her that Carmela is really good about talking about stuff like this! But Meadow has opened the floodgates now, wailing that the year off both decided to take in order to be together has turned into a disaster. Tony's microwave beeps to let him know his meal is ready and he's caught between trying to comfort his weeping daughter and his desire to eat some goddamn breakfast. When she sobs that half the time she spends the night with Finn they don't even sleep together, he winces at the openness, and then puts his foot in his mouth by pointing out that this type of thing can sometimes happen when you live in sin. "LIVING IN WHAT!?!" she gasps, and storms upstairs to her bedroom. Tony is taken aback but then gets angry himself and shouts after her to talk about this with Carmela. Tony heads out to the Bada Bing, where he asks Silvio if he's spoken to the guy at the planning department about Carmela's Spec House yet. He hasn't, and a resolved Tony declares that he's decided that Sil doesn't have to do it anymore. Goddammit... he had to talk to his daughter about a problem! Vito drives down the road past endless barren pine trees, more than a little drunk now and swerving slightly. Tossing his now empty bottle out the window, he turns back to the road and to his shock discovers a car has parked by the driveway so the owner can check his mail. He hits the brakes but too late, ramming into the back of the car. Immediately he tries to reverse but the bumpers are tangled, and the resident shouts at him to stop the car and get out. Vito does, initial anger disappearing as he realizes this is a potential issue. He becomes apologetic and promises to pay for the damages right here and now since he took most of the damage himself. But the resident is wary of this, what if he then tries to make a claim on his insurance claiming HE was to blame? No, he insists that they go down to his house and call the police so they can get a proper report, then get this all sorted out the proper way right now. Vito finally agrees, but says he needs to get his registration. As the resident starts heading down his driveway towards his house, Vito moves behind him, pulls out a gun and - in an echo of his assassination of Jackie Aprile Jr - shoots the poor bastard in the back of the head. Returning to his car, he screams out in rage as he finally rips his car clear of the now dead man's, then peels off on his way to New Jersey again. He's been back less than an hour and already killed somebody.  Infante arrives at the Bada Bing parking lot just as Tony is heading out to go home. He calls out to him, explaining he wanted to hear back about the sale of the New Orleans Business. Tony, who apparently had been hoping he could just never bring it up again and it would just go away, says it was "too much effort". Infante is devastated, not really knowing how to react, John needed that money for Ginny, for Allegra and the rest of the family. Those words spark an idea in Tony's head, and he lets Infante know the "good" news. Soon that is being passed on to Johnny. Infante visits him in the prison and explains that Tony has changed the terms of their deal, but in a way that is going to actually cost Johnny LESS money than he'd initially offered. He wants Ginny to sell the house to Janice and Bobby... for half it's market value. That's 600k, an excellent price for a house that large, and to sweeten the deal Tony is guaranteeing he will get the brother-in-laws in New Orleans to sell AND he'll knock 2% from his finder's fee. This hurts Johnny, even though financially it leaves him in better shape, he knows how much Ginny loves the home, a place he brought and moved into only for her benefit in the first place. So he agrees, beggars can't be choosers... but he's going to have to figure out how to convince Ginny of this now. Tony is lying on the bed when a happy Carmela comes in telling him about the Moroccan tile place Gabriella took her to. She asks if Sil spoke with the Building Inspector and with a faked look of sympathy he says that Sil did go but had no luck. Carmela is surprised, and has 1000 more questions: how hard did he lean on him? Did he bring him a gift? Tony gently reminds her that Sil "knows his business", not willing to go into any further detail (which is good, because there is none to go into) and says that he understands she is disappointed... but maybe she should just give up and sell it? She could get a good return on her investment and call it a day! Carmela is outraged, but her anger isn't yet directed at Tony, more a general anger at the whole situation. She can't believe he is suggesting she give up though, that's not the type of thing she usually hears from him. Cruelly, Tony takes advantage of her by pointing out again that the guy said no, and then ominously asking her "how far" she wants to take it. Suddenly faced with the prospect of knowingly putting the health or possibly even life of the building inspector in danger (something Tony would not actually do), Carmela has no choice but to back down. Her rage is now turned firmly away from Tony and towards "those bastards", complaining angrily about how they've ruined a year of her life but let people put up those "monstrosities", presumably talking about office or apartment blocks. She storms into the bathroom and Tony is left to momentarily enjoy the peace, thinking that maybe now things will go back to "normal" (i.e, she goes back to cooking dinner for him and handling Meadow's relationship drama), and even offers up a bullshit "consolation" by asking if she'd like to go out for dinner. At what was so recently Ginny Sack's home, she watches helplessly as a glowing Janice Soprano is shown around the house by an interior decorator making all kinds of suggestions on how she could adapt and change HER house. Ginny's life has completely tumbled down around her ears, she had claimed that she spent most of her days upstairs but that doesn't change the fact that this was HER house, and only so briefly after getting an agreement to let her keep it she's lost it. She has the same dazed look on her face in court as she sits with her daughters and son-in-law watching as her beloved husband has his day in court. Barely able to suppress her glee, the Prosecutor asks him if he has been employed or associated with a New York Faction of La Cosa Nostra since at least January 1st, 1996. In a betrayal of everything Johnny Sack ever vowed, he admits that yes he was. That simple three letter word will have enormous consequences, it will probably guarantee the Prosecutor either a successful political career or a coveted partnership at a massive law firm somewhere. It will be devoured and processed endlessly by the media. Books will be written. And of course the Mob will be shaken to its core. You NEVER admit that La Cosa Nostra is even a thing, let alone that you were a part of it. This is unforgiveable for any member, but a Boss of one of the Five Families? It is unthinkable.   The news spreads fast, including at the Averna Social Club where Phil Leotardo is livid. He gives no value to the fact that Johnny Sack didn't actually flip on anybody, because he broke the code by admitting anything at all. It's galling for all of them (including the seen for the first time Dominic "Fat Dom" Gamiello) but particularly Phil whose confidence in Johnny had already been shaken by seeing him cry at the wedding. He did 20 years in prison and never said a word, and now Johnny has admitted the Mafia exists without even standing trial? Carmela stands staring blankly out the window as Tony wanders down to the fridge. Seeing the look on her face he assumes she is mad about him over something and grumpily asks what it is. Turning, she tells him the news he hasn't yet heard: Johnny Sack pled guilty and got 15 years. He's horrified, of course, but there is a double meaning to Carmela's statement. Because if it happened to Johnny, it could happen to Tony too. She could end up like Ginny, and in spite of her own recent visit on Ginny's 50th birthday she is no fool, she knows that they are all going to abandon what was once of their closest friends and a high-ranking member of their social circle for guilt by association... is that Carmela's fate too? Christopher is horrified to see his Maserati being towed. He rushes outside where he is told by a U.S Marshall that whether he purchased it from Ginny or not, the car does not belong to him, it was the subject of an asset freeze and not Ginny's to sell. He can buy it back again if he likes though, the car is going up for auction! Tony and Sil discuss the situation as they walk through Tony's backyard. They're both revolted by Johnny's actions, Tony sneering that he hopes Johnny dies in prison, that it makes him sick to think he once considered him a friend. Silvio goes further, wishing he could have been on the courtroom steps when Johnny was lead out, so he could throw acid in his face. Seconds later however when a nervous Sal Vitro approaches and asks if he STILL has to do the Sacrimoni's yard considering everything that just went down, they're immediately coming to Johnny's defense. How dare he!?! Johnny isn't guilty, he PLED guilty, there was no trial... they probably tortured and beat him to force the confession, he shouldn't besmirch him. Sal immediately agrees they're probably right... but what about the yard? Does he still have to do it? Silvio can't believe this loving guy! But Tony has had enough, and finally releases Sal from his misery, telling him he's done with the Sacrimonis. A thrilled Sal heads back to his freebie work for Tony, relieved that at least it's one less time/money sink for him to worry about now. Meanwhile Tony and Silvio head into the pool room to watch some of the DVDs they're carrying, both of them shaking their heads in wonder at what a selfish, ungrateful and uncaring piece of poo poo this Sal Vitro turned out to be. Vito drives slowly by Satriale's. There's nobody outside and no sign that he's been spotted, and he quickly speeds through the intersection. He's back, but he's not BACK back just yet. Another Sunday Dinner, this one takes place at the Soprano home. Finn watches football, accepting a beer from a smiling Meadow, everything apparently okay between them again... for now. Bobby sits next to Tom watching the game, Janice brings them snacks, Carmela runs the kitchen, Sophia sits at the counter and Kelli arrives explaining that Christopher had to attend an AA meeting while AJ and Bobby Jr wander by in the background with a rifle (airgun?) which is... well, that's surely not going to be a disaster. Downstairs, Tony is loading more wine into his racks when Janice approaches, for once at a loss for words. Finally she manages to get out a thank you to him, and he offers back a simple,"You're welcome." But she's not done, she is overwhelmed with emotion, and explains through growing sobs that nobody has ever done something so thoughtful and special for her before. Why did Tony do it? Finally offer his sister something so kind? Was it out of kindness? Obligation? A chance to hang over her head that HE provided the big house she always wanted but couldn't get from Richie Aprile or Ralphie Cifaretto or Bobby Baccalieri? Or did he just see a chance to buy a big house at a cheap price and took it? Whatever the case, it doesn't matter to Janice, because for now at least this is enough. He accused her of nothing ever being enough, but now that she's nothing but grateful he finds it unnerving to deal with. His big sister is giving him the treatment he always wanted: respectful bordering on adoration, an acknowledgement of his status as the patriarch of the family. Carmela comes down calling to Tony and spots Janice openly weeping and asks what is wrong, what happened? Barely able to contain herself, Janice turns and flaps her hands, sobbing that nobody knows what goes on in her head. Or in other words, she is rejecting the assertion nothing is ever enough and that she's always looking out for a way to turn things to her advantage, that she is here offering heartfelt gratitude. "She's happy about the house," Tony sighs, continuing to stack wine, as Carmela hugs her sister-in-law and gently leads her out of the basement and up the stairs. Tony continues to stack wine, and the look on his face says it all. There may be a Soprano for whom enough is never enough, and who is never happy no matter what they have even when it was EXACTLY what they always thought they wanted... but in this case at least it's not Janice.   Season 6: Members Only | Join the Club | Mayham | The Fleshy Part of the Thigh | Mr. & Mrs. John Sacrimoni Request... | Live Free or Die | Luxury Lounge | Johnny Cakes | The Ride | Moe n' Joe | Cold Stones | Kaisha Season 1 | Season 2 | Season 3 | Season 4 | Season 5 | Season 6.1 | Season 6.2 Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Apr 23, 2020 |
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That was some a-plus channeling of Livia from Janice at the end. 'Nobody knows what goes on in my head.'
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Feb 19, 2020 12:43
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Tony's line about how Bobby has no genes is particularly hilarious given how much of Janice and Tony's own personalities are so clearly informed by Livia's overwhelming presence. Though to be fair they both have a heaping helping of their father's utter selfishness as well. The scene that really impresses me is the way Janice effortlessly takes control of the situation with Bobby Jr, but she doesn't just discipline him but makes sure to humiliate him in the process as well.
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Feb 19, 2020 12:49
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quote:Ron firmly and bravely agrees with this stance, pointing out dramatically that he does NOT represent turncoats. Makes you wonder how many times he practiced that in front of a mirror.
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Feb 19, 2020 14:06
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Jerusalem posted:Tony's microwave beeps to let him know his meal is ready and he's caught between trying to comfort his weeping daughter and his desire to eat some goddamn breakfast. When she sobs that half the time she spends the night with Finn they don't even sleep together, he winces at the openness, and then puts his foot in his mouth by pointing out that this type of thing can sometimes happen when you live in sin. "LIVING IN WHAT!?!" she gasps, and storms upstairs to her bedroom. Tony is taken aback but then gets angry himself and shouts after her to talk about this with Carmela. This is something I've been meaning to mention for a while now. So often on this show are there situations where a character makes a poor decision because of the amount of poo poo going on in that moment. It's not just that Tony is uncomfortable with the conversation, ill-equipped to handle it, and resentful of Carmela. He's also hungry, and the microwave won't stop beeping, and the food may burn. It's similar to the suitcase argument between Meadow and Finn. There's the whole Vito thing going on, and they have communication issues in their relationship, but they're also in the middle of a heat wave and the air conditioner doesn't work and makes a lot of noise and there's the sound of traffic from outside and opening the window lets in the smell from the dumpster and on and on until Finn just blurts out "Let's get married" I hope that made sense.
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Feb 19, 2020 16:04
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I lose it every time the camera turns to Silvio looking the same as always as Tony says "don't give me that look."
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Feb 19, 2020 16:52
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Isn't this the episode where Tony arrives at Satriale's and tells Silvio to visit the building inspector and his response is "To what end?" That delivery loving kills me.
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Feb 19, 2020 17:01
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"Talk to your mudder about this poo poo!" Is an A+ Sopranos quote.
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Feb 19, 2020 17:15
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Every time I hear the term "Moe and Joe", I always think of the Frank Vincent scene in Do the Right Thing where a couple of neighborhood kids soak his convertable with a fire hydrant. Cops ask him the names of the kids that did it and he says "Moe and Joe". "Moe and Joe Black" I always thought the episode title was a reference to that because of the black kids that hosed up Bobby and got away with it. Totally missed the toy train connection.
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Feb 19, 2020 17:56
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Jerusalem posted:Tony's line about how Bobby has no genes is particularly hilarious given how much of Janice and Tony's own personalities are so clearly informed by Livia's overwhelming presence. Though to be fair they both have a heaping helping of their father's utter selfishness as well. Barbara got the best parts - Johnny's chill (when he isn't beating up someone who owes him money anyway) and Livia's take-no-poo poo attitude ("You'll get your cut Janice, stop plotting") and enough smarts from both to get the gently caress out of Jersey and see her family like few times a year. She is the only Soprano in the show who seems well-adjusted (Meadow is a semi-distant second and the rest exist in a whole different class). She seems to have made all the right choices. They should make a Barbara Soprano joke episode where she just lives a regular life and never loses her poo poo. Kinda funny how they didn't touch on the big/little sister dynamic further in the show for Tony. If Janice had gotten her life 10% as well together as Barbara Tony would have had a heart attack for real from all the inadequate rage. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Feb 19, 2020 |
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Feb 19, 2020 22:13
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I always liked those glimpses into Tony being fiercely protective of Barbara and her family. And he genuinely likes Tom. poo poo, he let him get away with the “Here, here!” after Carmela and Hugh flipped out at Livia’s funeral. EDIT: You could just imagine what Tom must have gone through “taking away her baby” when Barbara got together with him. They ended up moving to Westchester and it seems like he did a great job of keeping her out of all the bullshit until the assassination attempt and Livia’s “stroke”. Pope Corky the IX fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Feb 19, 2020 |
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Feb 19, 2020 22:26
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I've always wondered how long Vito was considered to have been gone and doing Johnny Cakes things. Some of this season seems to move a little fast but other parts seem pretty sequential so I find it hard to put real time stamps on poo poo. I guess each episode might be considered...a month? I guess Vito being on the lam for 3 months or so seems right but the way it's filmed makes it feel shorter. And come to think of it, unless I missed it, none of that "Where is that that f*g?" or what to do about him even comes up at all in this episode. All the mobsters seem to have forgotten about him and I can't even remember the news reaching Johnny Sack at all at any point- or did it? The more I reconsider this season, it's not quote as tightly constructed as prior ones and some of the pacing feels off.
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One thing I've really noticed during this rewatch is just how fast and loose the show is with exactly when things happen. Things generally follow a pattern of shots in daytime followed by shots in night-time, but then you'll get bits of dialogue that indicate multiple days have passed between scenes without anything to really show that passage of time. To be fair, it's not really something that is either noticeable or even particularly necessary to reference, but every so often I'll realize with the benefit of hindsight that a lengthy period of time is meant to have passed over the course of a few episodes but there hasn't really been anything to showcase that.
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