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Darth Walrus posted:You, uh, may want to read up on how easy and reliable applying for settled status is. A ballache that often just gives you pre settled status often even when you are entitled to settled. But the point is even those people have right to work here like citizens do. The idea that this immigration system is supposed to scare them into compliance, instead of being a lazy slapdash fix to look good with the base, is nonsense.
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Darth Walrus posted:You, uh, may want to read up on how easy and reliable applying for settled status is. A very intelligent German friend of mine with perfect English and (apparently thanks to Germany) a fairly significant amount of experience with Kafkaesque bureaucracy spent months bashing her head against the process before finally getting approval. If she struggled I don't even want to think how hard it must be for others.
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Nothingtoseehere posted:A ballache that often just gives you pre settled status often even when you are entitled to settled. But the point is even those people have right to work here like citizens do. The idea that this immigration system is supposed to scare them into compliance, instead of being a lazy slapdash fix to look good with the base, is nonsense. It's not about scaring people into compliance. It's about scaring people into not even trying to comply, because complying still won't protect you.
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Nothingtoseehere posted:I'm not denying the casual racism of the government will deport a few thousand citizens and the chilling effectively cause more to leave, but even pre settled status gives right to work in the UK? And they've already given that to 2.4 million EU citizens. There's no grand conspiracy hear to trap EU citizens in illegal jobs, just the casual racism of a government that doesn't give a gently caress about those who slip through the cracks. The cause being different while having the same effect doesn’t make it any better.
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New £20 notes issued tomorrow: https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/banknotes/polymer-20-pound-note
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Anyone at all who says something like "surely the EU national currently settled are ok" or something along those lines should go and look up the word windrush and the associated scandal because the UK home office merrily deported UK citizens for being black and did so while it was deemed illegal to do so. EU nationals will most assuredly be on some list of people they are trying to remove and they do not care about legalities.
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Flipswitch posted:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/priti-patel-immigration-laws-parents-home-office-brexit-a9343571.html Finally a compelling argument for the government's immigration plans.
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Forgive me comrades, but I really need to vent about something here. I have to take quite a few medications to manage my mental health. One of these is buproprion- this was prescribed by my private consultant psychiatrist but cost something in the region of £130 a month, way more than I can afford. So last summer I went to my gp practice with a copy of the prescription. They prescribed it to me under the nhs, all seemed good. A week ago I tried to get a new prescription issued as I was nearly out of pills. Only to be told via text by a doctor who I’d never spoken to before that they would not be issuing it anymore for reasons that basically amounted to ‘computer says no’. Cue a week of absolute panic- this is one of the few meds that seems to have any positive effect on my depression and stops me being completely incapable of anything. I’ve had to reduce my dose to half what it should be to ration my pills as long as possible, and I’ve been genuinely terrified. I found this out as I was heading back from shipping out my most recent fudge orders (during which journey I also saw a guy jump/get pushed from a sixth floor window and land about ten feet from me, which has also somewhat hosed poo poo up in my head), and I highly doubt I’d have been able to meet my commitments should the timing have been different. This is also one of the reasons why I’ve not been opening for sales in the past week- I’d hate to take stuff on and then fail to deliver. So a week spent in the absolute doldrums, terrified and already not taking the doses prescribed. Today I finally managed to pluck up the strength to call the surgery to make a complaint- only to find out that apparently they’d decided to issue the repeat prescription on an ongoing basis and all I need to do is drop in and pick it up. There was no contact made, no effort to let me know about this. And while I’m obviously hugely relieved I am if anything angrier- I’ve been left in a completely poo poo state for literally no reason whatsoever, without any explanation or communication. Anyway, here’s hoping poo poo can improve now, but holy hell am I just so angry. It’s not just cost me damage to my mental health, but has also done me financial damage as well. And all for absolutely no reason or point. Anyway I’m going to go now and buy ingredients for a whole shitload of fudge. Hopefully that will make me feel better.
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baka kaba posted:Person kicking ladder away says "glad I'm up here" "The roof had room for someone to climb onto it before I got up here."
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Camrath posted:I found this out as I was heading back from shipping out my most recent fudge orders (during which journey I also saw a guy jump/get pushed from a sixth floor window and land about ten feet from me, which has also somewhat hosed poo poo up in my head), Your whole story is pretty terrible, sorry you had to go through all that. But holy poo poo?
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Comrade Fakename posted:Your whole story is pretty terrible, sorry you had to go through all that. But holy poo poo? Pretty much my reaction. The guy didn’t make it- I was driving and stopped at a traffic light, on the way back he was still there covered with a red blanket, with just this pair of unmoving bare feet sticking out from under. Apparently someone has been arrested on suspicion of murder. Tbh it didn’t really process in my mind what I’d seen until I was in the post office ten minutes later. Aged 38, first time I’ve seen a fresh dead body. :/ Edit: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/north-finchley-murder-investigation-window-fall-a4361046.html ; I was where the black car is in that photo. Camrath fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Feb 19, 2020 |
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Camrath posted:Pretty much my reaction. The guy didn’t make it- I was driving and stopped at a traffic light, on the way back he was still there covered with a red blanket, with just this pair of unmoving bare feet sticking out from under. Lucky you. I got to watch someone drop dead in front of me before I was 18.
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Jedit posted:Lucky you. I got to watch someone drop dead in front of me before I was 18. I’m well aware I’ve led a sheltered/privileged life, believe me.
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Saros posted:The incredible stench of Dom Cummies is all over this lol. What an incredible shitshow this is going to be. FWIW the Australian system is loving dumb for some jobs too. Both them and NZ have near enough the same. We went to an Aus/Can/NZ immigration fair in Birmingham and NZ were like "We're absolutely crying out for building trades: Carpenters, Plumbers, Joiners, Plasterers, etc." and then it turns out that unless you have the equivalent of degree-level qualification you can't get the points to get in. None of those people typically have degrees. Or you might *just* be able to scrape it if you're under 39 and have 8 years relevant job experience in the last 10, or something, but I'm sure when we were looking they didn't want me.
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Flipswitch posted:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/priti-patel-immigration-laws-parents-home-office-brexit-a9343571.html We could demand the law is applied retrospectively to anyone supporting these immigration plans. (Also deport anyone who supports 'go home immigrants' who can't supply evidence of all ancestors being British back to, say, first Roman invasion of Britain, 55BCE.
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WhatEvil posted:FWIW the Australian system is loving dumb for some jobs too. Both them and NZ have near enough the same. We went to an Aus/Can/NZ immigration fair in Birmingham and NZ were like "We're absolutely crying out for building trades: Carpenters, Plumbers, Joiners, Plasterers, etc." and then it turns out that unless you have the equivalent of degree-level qualification you can't get the points to get in. None of those people typically have degrees. Oh the Australian system is also dumb as all hell i'm not defending it, just the amounts of nuance compared to this insanely simplistic approach. Slightly surprised by your experience with NZ though, since 2011 there have been special visa classes for essentially the building trades which dont require degrees.
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Saros posted:Oh the Australian system is also dumb as all hell i'm not defending it, just the amounts of nuance compared to this insanely simplistic approach. Slightly surprised by your experience with NZ though, since 2011 there have been special visa classes for essentially the building trades which dont require degrees. TBH I can't remember the exact specifics, I just know it wasn't as easy as all that if you were on their list for skilled trades or whatever and didn't have formal qualifications for it (which many don't). Anyway, I know the thread loves Frances Weetman... she's writing for the Independent now apparently: https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1230105690355699717?s=20 TL;DR: "Labour shouldn't talk about Israel/Palastine, they need to focus on electability."
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:We could demand the law is applied retrospectively to anyone supporting these immigration plans. (Also deport anyone who supports 'go home immigrants' who can't supply evidence of all ancestors being British back to, say, first Roman invasion of Britain, 55BCE.
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WhatEvil posted:FWIW the Australian system is loving dumb for some jobs too. Both them and NZ have near enough the same. We went to an Aus/Can/NZ immigration fair in Birmingham and NZ were like "We're absolutely crying out for building trades: Carpenters, Plumbers, Joiners, Plasterers, etc." and then it turns out that unless you have the equivalent of degree-level qualification you can't get the points to get in. None of those people typically have degrees. That's a skilled migrant visa, basically you can live and work there and don't need an existing job offer to do so. You can just apply for jobs in those fields you mentioned in NZ and get in on a essential skills visa if they offer it to you. I've endured the lack of clarity myself and its frustrating. But it's also not the UK, so that's a bonus.
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OwlFancier posted:I don't think they're fascists, I think boris is an over educated posh boy who believes he's very clever and is coincidentally very racist and intends to just fiddle with the country until it's all very good. I think what Cummings is trying to do on his personal crusade is to brute force a change in UK elite culture to stop systematically privileging arts/humanities people over STEM types (We can assume for these purposes that Tories don’t think anyone outside the elite is a person). We are way, way worse in this respect than the US, China and India, all of whose elites have a much better baseline understanding of maths, science and the use of data. Not an awful idea if it was done by someone genuinely interested in following where the data leads (ie to socialism). Done by these guys, it’s telling that p much the first thing they did was hire a eugenicist to try to prove their creepy racial theories. Also there is no way this succeeds because part of the reason for the Tory party to exist is to prevent this kind of systemic change to who can get into the elite.
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WhatEvil posted:Anyway, I know the thread loves Frances Weetman... she's writing for the Independent now apparently: Jesus, how embarrassing for the Independent.
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Beefeater1980 posted:I think what Cummings is trying to do on his personal crusade is to brute force a change in UK elite culture to stop systematically privileging arts/humanities people over STEM types (We can assume for these purposes that Tories don’t think anyone outside the elite is a person). We are way, way worse in this respect than the US, China and India, all of whose elites have a much better baseline understanding of maths, science and the use of data. Humanities are as important as STEM if not moreso in many cases, and the privileging of maths/sciences amongst the elites of say, China, creates its own problems just as much as the British toff's love of classics. Comrade Fakename posted:Jesus, how embarrassing for the Independent. I am well versed in Weetman deep lore and can guarantee this was always the point of her grift, though I'm surprised she managed given the election results. ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Feb 19, 2020 |
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CoolCab posted:I'm not sure I've ever seen a corpse. I think the...two? funerals I attended weren't open casket I'm not sure if this is common practice, but in my experience viewings are held at the funeral home a few days before the burial. I've seen three bodies this way, and, it's not really very comforting.
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CoolCab posted:this superforecaster poo poo is modern divination as expressed by mcnamaraesque obsession with the quantifiable right? cause lol When you realise that lots of experts seem to be full of poo poo, but the conclusion you draw is not that they are in fact full of poo poo, but that you're just super super smart.
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ThomasPaine posted:I am well versed in Weetman deep lore and can guarantee this was always the point of her grift, though I'm surprised she managed given the election results. It is the ultimate goal of all true centrists to become an opinion columnist.
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Am I the only one to think the current obsession with Cummings is in fact Boris and his media chums setting up a nice little scapegoat for everything to keep Boris' hands clean (and very, very white) when all this poo poo falls apart in a year or so?
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feedmegin posted:Having done this in Oslo...sooort of. Yes anyone will understand you if you speak English so the supermarket is no problem. But if you're down the pub socialising for instance everyone is speaking Norwegian so you can't join the conversation. It becomes isolating. When I visited Bergen I tried speaking Norwegian with everyone in the pub, partly to practice and partly because manners, and literally every single person I spoke to insisted I help them practice English instead and the entire group switched to English. Every time. One guy asked me to teach him some rebel songs / jacobite songs. I don't think it would be that hard settling in somewhere in Scandinavia.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Am I the only one to think the current obsession with Cummings is in fact Boris and his media chums setting up a nice little scapegoat for everything to keep Boris' hands clean (and very, very white) when all this poo poo falls apart in a year or so? I refuse to accept Boris is that clever
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:I'm not sure if this is common practice, but in my experience viewings are held at the funeral home a few days before the burial. I've seen three bodies this way, and, it's not really very comforting. I was with my dad when he died at home in bed, then in the casket at the funeral home - I'm so mixed about it - I'm glad I did (because if I hadn't, I would always have wondered) but kinda wish I hadn't because he didn't look like him at all - all 'glossed up'. Also saw one nan die too in a hospital bed but I didn't see her after that. I have seen bodies at a distance - unavoidable on the Egyptian roads - but not close up. I'm definitely squeamish - they have many horrendous accidents out there because they drive like utter lunatics.
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Coohoolin posted:When I visited Bergen I tried speaking Norwegian with everyone in the pub, partly to practice and partly because manners, and literally every single person I spoke to insisted I help them practice English instead and the entire group switched to English. Every time. One guy asked me to teach him some rebel songs / jacobite songs. I don't think it would be that hard settling in somewhere in Scandinavia. Ha yes. One of the greatest foreign language moments of my life was in Norway. First time I went, as soon as I started speaking Norwegian they would turn round and speak to me in English. The second time I went, after a couple of years of evening classes, they would look at me oddly and say "Er du Dansk?" even the hotel I stayed at put the hotel info on the tv into Danish. My Norwegian friend called the hotel and told them I was English. He said to me: 'shows how poo poo your pronunciation is' and I said 'you cannot believe how wonderful it is to try a foreign language out in real life and not be instantly taken for English'. Subsequently I went to Brussels shortly after Sweden joined the EU and spent a whole day trying not to speak English. I found the Flemish easier than the French, and shopkeepers assumed I was Swedish and would say "var so god" when I bought my kase brodje or whatever it was (can't remember now!) Also when I worked in Germany for a short while, Germans would ask if I was Dutch. Egyptians assumed I was German which led to hilarious conversations when I was doing my best arabic and they were answering in German. Have you had that experience where once you get going in the foreign language (albeit crappily) you can't stop? Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Feb 19, 2020 |
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ThomasPaine posted:Humanities are as important as STEM if not moreso in many cases, and the privileging of maths/sciences amongst the elites of say, China, creates its own problems just as much as the British toff's love of classics. I mean yeah, different set of problems, but what you want is a balance and if you’re starting from a humanities focus you kind of need to move in the other direction to achieve that. There’s just so much maths and stats in almost every modern job, increasingly so as you get more senior and need to make decisions based on understanding what some set of numbers is actually telling you (up to a point, after which you of course need empathy and judgement as well).
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