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You can basically judge how serious the coronavirus is based on VPN performance.
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The public reaction to it, or at least how the government perceives/predicts that, unironically yes. One of the issues I have with topic-specific censorship is basically this. If you engage in it, you're handing people an itemised list of what you're afraid of. More general stuff like VPN blocking is more like a thermometer for fear.
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Feb 20, 2020 11:14
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Known Lecher posted:I kind of admire the fact that the WSJ seems to be going full scorched earth on the CCP - the day after 3 of their reporters got kicked out of China, they're running a guest editorial that ends its first paragraph: "There is no cure for Chinese communism except the collapse of the party." behind a paywall 
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Feb 20, 2020 11:21
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This owns. https://twitter.com/IsChinar/status/1229816872608116742
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Feb 20, 2020 12:11
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Charlz Guybon posted:Roman Empire was more powerful than the Han dynasty. Umayyad caliphate was more powerful than Song China. it's really impossible to know which state was "more powerful" at the time. both the Romans and Chinese lie in their historical accounts all the time to make themselves sound more impressive. just because Augustus carved some numbers into a monument doesn't mean those numbers are accurate.
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Feb 20, 2020 12:24
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Atlas Hugged posted:This is probably the best opportunity ever to visit Angkor Wat. Hi I just did this
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Feb 20, 2020 13:12
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Grand Fromage posted:I cannot.
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Feb 20, 2020 13:20
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you're making the same mistake as chinese nationalists. ie you are treating china as a uniform monolith that exists unchanging for thousands of years. it's just as silly coming from you as it is from them.
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Feb 20, 2020 14:34
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*cough*oohhboy posted:No one here is saying China is 5000 years old or believes in it outside of telling a joke. If anything we have been mocking the idea by playing with this assumption. 5000 years of China just means it has been rear end backwards for 5000 years.
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Feb 20, 2020 14:38
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Rutibex posted:it's really impossible to know which state was "more powerful" at the time. both the Romans and Chinese lie in their historical accounts all the time to make themselves sound more impressive. just because Augustus carved some numbers into a monument doesn't mean those numbers are accurate. If this was all we had, then sure. But the Romans were super anal about record keeping, it is one of the biggest arguments against the historiography of Jesus.
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Feb 20, 2020 14:46
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oohhboy posted:*cough* and yet you then go on to make the exact same mistakes. . . also you don't know what science is, but there were so many other things you said that were wrong or just nonsensical that it's impossible to break it all down
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Feb 20, 2020 14:49
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exmachina posted:it is one of the biggest arguments against the historiography of Jesus. I don't think this is actually true. I read through basically everything Cicero had written thats survived over the past year and something like half the people he mentions have a footnote saying "We have no record of this person outside of what Cicero says here." But, they were very likely real and important people. And then there's Seneca's letters to a seemingly important man in I wanna say in Sicily, some position in government. I don't think we know anything about him or have any references to him existing besides Seneca writing his letters to him. Maybe they were good record keepers, but I think a lot of those records are gone. BrainDance fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Feb 20, 2020 |
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Feb 20, 2020 14:58
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Shumagorath posted:Thanks to this thread, 35 years after Remo Williams I've finally realized Chiun is both a racist caricature and extremely accurate. Thank you for reminding me that movie exists. Going to go rewatch it now. drat the 80s were a great time for ridiculously awesome movies.
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Feb 20, 2020 16:08
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BrainDance posted:Maybe they were good record keepers, but I think a lot of those records are gone. *Thinks of Alexandria* All those records gone... like books in the library...
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Feb 20, 2020 16:56
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Also Baghdad
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Feb 20, 2020 17:09
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Also Rome itself was burned and looted a couple times.
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Feb 20, 2020 17:26
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rome lasted 400 years which was about the same time as any given dynasty
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Or in 1978, when the hall of records was mysteriously blown away.
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Feb 20, 2020 17:49
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Saying China was rear end backwards for 5000 years is just dumb.
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Feb 20, 2020 18:06
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BrainDance posted:behind a paywall So if you go on twitter and search for the articles title you can access the article to get around the paywall through a link in a tweet. A popup does pop up but you can just close it and read. Some links don't always work but it is pretty easy to find one that does. Use the link from this tweet: https://twitter.com/ThereseRaphael1/status/1230449863764185088?s=19 Edit: it is my understanding this is expected behavior and that the WSJ sets it up this way to drive social media engagement so it isn't 
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Feb 20, 2020 18:19
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Chomp8645 posted:I mean, kinda yes, but really no. Western nations of that time went to war with others and each other all the time for all kinds of poo poo, including trade rights. True, but that's just one example. I think their massive role in the silver trade, to the point where it had a large effect on international economics, is proof enough of the wealth contained in the country. Now were they richer per capita than western countries in that period? Probably not but by raw wealth they had a lot. Hundreds of years of brutal exploitation of millions of people will do that WarpedNaba posted:Something something if so superior, why is it scrambling to steal IP even though it had a 3000 year head start. With China there is definitely a conservative strain of thought, especially in social aspects, that interferes witht technological progress. I don't think that's very controversial, really because China has had many advantages over other countries throughout history which haven't resulted in technological superiority. Their industrialization has been impressive though. Still it relies primarily on the massive population So good
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Feb 20, 2020 18:29
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Despera posted:rome lasted 400 years which was about the same time as any given dynasty if you count from the founding of Rome until the fall of Constantinople people calling themselves "romans" were around for over 2,200 years. China math 
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Feb 20, 2020 19:14
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Rutibex posted:if you count from the founding of Rome until the fall of Constantinople people calling themselves "romans" were around for over 2,200 years. China math Did you know?
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Feb 20, 2020 19:15
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I know you guys are all trying to trigger me with this poo poo but I'm not taking the bait. Nope.
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Feb 20, 2020 19:25
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Speaking of 'baiting, I thought there'd be more sexbot news by now.
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Feb 20, 2020 19:34
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BrainDance posted:behind a paywall It is pretty scathing. https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-is-the-real-sick-man-of-asia-11580773677?mod=trending_now_4
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Feb 20, 2020 19:35
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Rutibex posted:if you count from the founding of Rome until the fall of Constantinople people calling themselves "romans" were around for over 2,200 years. China math People really have a bad time comprehending the scale of what "china" was from ancient times. Rome and Constantinople were tiny population wise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll Youll notice that in each era China #1 and usually 2-3 aswell by a large margin. For example, this was a war started by a guy with a diaper fetish that killed 20 million people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Lushan_Rebellion
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Feb 20, 2020 20:35
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Despera posted:Rome and Constantinople were tiny population wise. Both of them were the largest cities on the planet at their height.
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Feb 20, 2020 22:18
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Why do white people put half a bottle of soy sauce on their already seasoned Chinese food? It’s not like white people food/palate is all that salty. If anything it’s less salty than baseline Chinese food.
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Feb 20, 2020 22:22
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5000 years of nothing but onions for flavor
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Feb 20, 2020 22:25
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And lemon grass
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Feb 20, 2020 22:29
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I am paper white and don't go overboard on soy sauce. Half a bottle is enough.
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Feb 20, 2020 22:38
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It's a toss up, I've found that there's a subsection of Chinese food that's relatively bland. At least that's the case in Taipei. Most of the time everything is full of flavor, but there are some restaurants that serve up really bland food.
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Feb 20, 2020 22:55
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Despera posted:People really have a bad time comprehending the scale of what "china" was from ancient times. Rome and Constantinople were tiny population wise. At least that was my takeaway from the roman history thread...
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Nektu posted:Iirc those numbers that are based on contemporary reports are fairly unreliable. Everybody just loved writing about how big and mighty their own army was and how the vanquished enemies numbered more than there were drops in the ocean. So they added a few 0s to everything. So the chad meme goes back centuries if not millennia?
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Feb 20, 2020 23:23
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Squalid posted:well then its worth considering the structures that aren't still standing. A lot of the colosseum is still standing, but it was repeatedly damaged in earthquakes that destroyed large portions of it. I'm not sure when China first applied arch technology, I know they were using it by the 7th century, but its hard to argue Chinese people are definitively worse off because they didn't have gothic cathedrals. Are you suggesting the engineering and construction of larger and enduring buildings/public works (bridges, raised aqueducts, etc) are of no benefit to society because earthquakes can damage them?
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Feb 20, 2020 23:40
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Fojar38 posted:Both of them were the largest cities on the planet at their height. Biggest city in the world right now has 20 million people and that country has 1.4 billion. Rest assured that we live in an age of urbanization compared to back then where things like multistory housing didnt exist.
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Feb 20, 2020 23:44
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Nektu posted:Iirc those numbers that are based on contemporary reports are fairly unreliable. Everybody just loved writing about how big and mighty their own army was and how the vanquished enemies numbered more than there were drops in the ocean. So they added a few 0s to everything. Chinese had a lot of census takers for tax purposes. Impressing the foriegner wasnt a huge thing back then. Also big body counts didnt really help the ruling party when it came to the mandate of heaven.
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Shaocaholica posted:Why do white people put half a bottle of soy sauce on their already seasoned Chinese food? It’s not like white people food/palate is all that salty. If anything it’s less salty than baseline Chinese food. When I worked at my aunt's Chinese restaurant, we'd see people add soy sauce to their tea and drink it. It wasn't common, but it happened enough to be an inside joke with the staff.
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Despera posted:People really have a bad time comprehending the scale of what "china" was from ancient times. Rome and Constantinople were tiny population wise. any time a guy from the ancient world tells you how many people are in his army he is full of poo poo. i admit i have not read any chinese accounts, but i have read enough greeks and romans to tell you that ancient writers used these numbers for propaganda. according to Simonides the army of Xerxes the Great was over 4 million people. i mean come on!
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