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Feb 20, 2020 10:32
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Well that was pretty miserable. Horrendous dialogue, worse art direction - which is surprising since the show has been quite pretty so far. Can anyone explain what the gently caress the difference between killing Vajazzle and beaming out is compared to beaming out then beaming back to kill her? And why exactly would leaving her alive stop her putting a bounty out on the people who robbed her anyway? It's tonal whiplash too, hard to get into goofy Space Pimp Rios when you're coming right off the back of a live vivisection and Seven... mercy killing Icheb?... I guess he couldn't be saved? I thought we were picking up a little bit with 4 but that was worse than 3. We're officially half way through and our characters are still playing catch up to poo poo the audience knew in ep 1.
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Feb 20, 2020 10:56
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There were moments in this episode where picard kinda sounded like picard and it began to feel something close to star trek. But it's still 80% poop.
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Feb 20, 2020 11:21
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Ramadu posted:Hahaha rich Evans was right Without having watched the episode, was he right about Agnes being a traitor? Or about the Romulans creating the Borg? . Because I sorta figured the former already and dreaded, but kind of expected, the latter.
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Feb 20, 2020 11:21
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I haven't read any of the spoiled posts until I finish the episode but why does bruce maddox appear to be played by jordan peterson
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Feb 20, 2020 11:24
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loving l o l at them not bringing back Icheb's actor back for Picard considering he's been tweeting and begging to get on the show since it was announced. Don't think he had a chance since the Anthony Rapp debacle he had a few years back.
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Feb 20, 2020 11:50
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ahahhahaahahahhaahahah
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Feb 20, 2020 11:51
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Sad to see any character from Voyager done dirty like that (RIP Icheb), but that's just my own irrational love for all the characters on that particular incarnation of trek. I do wish the show was significantly less predictable and not hitting us over the head with foreshadowing, but I have to admire how much they're building up the big secret of the series. Finding out that real good synths are such a bad thing that you kill your lover just for knowing that secret is a BIG buildup, to the point that while "This will lead to the Borg, and also probably the Romulans created the Borg" is about the only sensible big reveal I can envision, it's also still not a big enough deal for me to buy it as secret knowledge that's big/horrifying enough for Agnes to do what she does." I did think it was a tidy bit of writing that Agnes' panic attack is clearly more about what she feels she has to do to Maddox if they save him, and not just "OMG how to transporters work and I can't deal with high stress stuff." That's a sensible bit of payoff there. I was worried about them redoing the "lover is a spy" thing, but this clearly wasn't that so I'm okay with how it all turned out. Also I just found out about those hot takes that MorgaineDax referred to, certainly makes me not mind the casting choices they made.
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Feb 20, 2020 11:57
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https://manu-needs-to-go.tumblr.com/post/167101413971 The hottest of takes. I actually forgot how bad they were.
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Feb 20, 2020 12:02
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Welp, I was wondering why they didn't bring him back since he's all over that poo poo on Twitter. Way to tug at my heartstrings though, I loved Icheb as a character and all that buildup on Voyager just to murder him, goddamn. The Voyager theme motif playing as Seven goes all Rambo was pretty loving hilarious.
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Feb 20, 2020 12:09
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Ah I missed the theme kicking in there, gonna go check that out again. Edit: Doesn't sound quite like the theme to me, but I could pick up some elements of it in there, mostly the drums. I feel like with all the sad times and intensity so far, Picard going to see (guess I'll spoil it since it was in the trailers) Riker and Troi is just going to be all happiness, fond memories, and overall saccharine feelings as we see some characters who haven't been through some serious poo poo since we last saw them. Also, while I'm not encouraging people who toss out bad internet hot takes get work in the shows I like, I do want to express regret that Icheb wasn't played by the same actor. (Not really much of a spoiler here, but I'll tag it anyway): It already hit me pretty hard, and seeing the same actor in that situation would have really turned a shocking scene into a proper gut punch. NowonSA fucked around with this message at 13:08 on Feb 20, 2020 |
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Feb 20, 2020 12:51
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I guess I'll write this as I watch it. I could have done without the torture porn eyeball extraction but overall the opening made me sit up and take notice. I already hate everything about freecloud, it's so over the top that it's just out of place. The facer pimp outfits are just .. I'm doing the chef kiss things .. on the poo poo sandwich that is freecloud. For a hired pilot, Rios is sure ready to just start integrating into his "cargo"'s scheme. Picard's villain persona -- I can't deal with this And the most important thing about this episode: Mr. Mot finally made it big! some kinda jackal fucked around with this message at 13:30 on Feb 20, 2020 |
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Feb 20, 2020 13:24
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I think so much now is riding on whatever secret the Zhat'Vash are hiding. If it turns out lame it wrecks the entire show.
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Feb 20, 2020 13:56
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Best episode of the show to date don’t @ me
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Feb 20, 2020 14:16
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Mokinokaro posted:I think so much now is riding on whatever secret the Zhat'Vash are hiding. If it turns out lame it wrecks the entire show. Yeah Picard is very much being presented as an outright mystery show, and if you don't have a good secret to be revealed as part of that it's going to be really easy to make the whole show a major letdown. I'm such a fan of the TNG era shows that every bit that we're seeing of that universe 20 or so years later is catnip to me, so even if the reveal turns out to be incredibly lame I can't imagine I'll end up not liking Picard. I think we have to find out the secret at the end of this season, but whatever it is will naturally lead in to what the next season will focus on. I mean, that really is just T.V. show writing 101 right there, but hey overall this show has just been "pretty standard tropes, but in Trek and done well with Patrick Stewart owning scenes" so following that kind of standard formula makes sense. Also, I'd be absolutely on board with the plot developing to where Picard and co. switch from wanting to save Data's kids to wanting to help destroy them, basically buying in to the ideology that the Zhat'Vash are selling once they're all clued in on why they're so hardcore against synths. Though hell, if I'm tossing fantasy theories out there then having almost everyone buy into the Zhat'Vash mission EXCEPT Picard and Elnar, and ending the season with them stranded somewhere, left to die, or in some kind of peril sounds on paper like the best cliffhanger Trek's done since Best of Both Worlds. We've seen "gotta save the girl" stories a bunch of times, I'm pretty on board with a "oh poo poo the bad guys are right, we gotta kill the girl" story twist.
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Feb 20, 2020 14:47
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Ohgod why.
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Feb 20, 2020 15:02
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evilmiera posted:Without having watched the episode, was he right about Agnes being a traitor? Or about the Romulans creating the Borg? . Because I sorta figured the former already and dreaded, but kind of expected, the latter. yeah the first one lol
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Feb 20, 2020 15:28
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okay, so this show basically has nothing for me. i'm gonna dip out.
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Feb 20, 2020 16:00
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Snow Cone Capone posted:I had assumed that Maddox was the guy you see dropping a glass and falling over at the beginning of the e5 preview, right at the moment Picard says "Bruce Maddox" Ugh I hate being mostly right
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Feb 20, 2020 16:38
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That was really good, I liked it a lot. A bit of an odd choice to open with Icheb's death, though - would have worked better if we'd only seen that when Seven told Picard about it. I loved the little scene between Picard and Seven before she beamed down again. The pacing is just so much better when we're not cutting back to the Cube every other scene.
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Feb 20, 2020 16:41
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That was fun, except for poor Icheb. At least he got to be in Starfleet. It's a shame 7 went for revenge, but kind of hard to blame her given what happened. Also no cube this episode, nice. The silly dressing up and Picard's outrageous accent I am very much on board with. Gangsters in Star Trek have pretty much always been fun Agreed with those saying that if the terrible secret turns out to be poo poo it will be very disappointing after all this buildup, Enough to get Agnes to murder her lover? Must be some heavy poo poo. Also lol I totally buy that creep Bruce Maddox would get into a relationship with his much younger subordinate. but I've enjoyed the journey to get there so far. Casting- not bringing back the Icheb actor makes total sense after those hot takes, what an idiot. If you want to get cast on Star Trek maybe don't say reprehensible stuff about one of the current main cast? But any reason they changed actor for Maddox?
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Feb 20, 2020 16:43
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Lol twenty posts about how bad the show is, and one guy pledging himself to like it no matter what.
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Feb 20, 2020 17:13
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Picard ep 5: The plot is moving now. Captain Rios: space pimp. Time to add a new character to the hologram lineup. lol Picard hamming it up. Elnor is fantastic. Not as fantastic as revenge minded Seven though  I wonder who is buying up all those borg implants. I guess Commodore Oh showed Agnes the super secret truth and that's why she's on board for killing Maddox and presumably Soji. The Rios line about not vetting her and trusting her in an earlier episode was good foreshadowing. Arglebargle III posted:Lol twenty posts about how bad the show is, and one guy pledging himself to like it no matter what. lol 
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Feb 20, 2020 17:16
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I hate myself but I think the big dark secret will be Maddox discovered that the final evolution of synths is literally a Borg-style collective and that the Zhat Vash big secret is they were the first race to perfect synths and it led to the Borg I hope I'm wrong 
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Feb 20, 2020 17:20
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Angry Salami posted:That was really good, I liked it a lot. That's what I meant about being tonally off. Saving that as a reveal for Seven's motivations after a lighter heist caper would have been a gut punch. Instead it just soured the mood for the goofy stuff that followed. And the awful dialogue between her and Vajazzle was just telling us poo poo we already knew. Characters just constantly catching up to the audience. Nothing in that confrontation made any sense, and requires every character to be stupid for it to work. It's a bit of a slog that every character has to be miserable if they want to appear in Picard, I wonder what horrible poo poo had to have happened to Troi and Riker if they're making an appearance. I don't know guys, this one really stretched my patience with this show. We've had maybe 2 episodes worth of story and a lot of cheap drama filler. They've played their cards so loving close to their chest, possibly because they didn't have 10 eps worth of material, so everyone is just stalling with busy work.
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Feb 20, 2020 17:22
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Snow Cone Capone posted:I hate myself but I think the big dark secret will be Maddox discovered that the final evolution of synths is literally a Borg-style collective and that the Zhat Vash big secret is they were the first race to perfect synths and it led to the Borg Deep down we all know it's (probably) going to be this, and it'll definitely be real stupid.
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Feb 20, 2020 17:24
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Goofy references: Mr. Mot's Hair Emporium Mr. Quark of Ferenginar was especially satisfied with your handling of his trouble with the Breen A little forced, but eh
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Feb 20, 2020 17:24
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piratepilates posted:Deep down we all know it's (probably) going to be this, and it'll definitely be real stupid. I mean I think they could pull it off in a not-idiotic way but I honestly can't think of what else it could possibly be to have both plot threads converge in the next 6 episodes.
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Feb 20, 2020 17:25
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I've decided that this is a bad show and I'm not going to waste any more time with it.
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Feb 20, 2020 17:28
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kidkissinger posted:I've decided that this is a bad show and I'm not going to waste any more time with it. Thanks for announcing it, I'll be sure to update my notebook about what kidkissinger has decided
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Feb 20, 2020 17:33
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ashpanash posted:Thanks for announcing it, I'll be sure to update my notebook about what kidkissinger has decided Pleb. Get a spreadsheet.
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Feb 20, 2020 17:38
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Lizard Combatant posted:I don't know guys, this one really stretched my patience with this show. We've had maybe 2 episodes worth of story and a lot of cheap drama filler. They've played their cards so loving close to their chest, possibly because they didn't have 10 eps worth of material, so everyone is just stalling with busy work. yeah, it just feels like this series has no respect for the viewer or their time. and the cheap drama filler feels like a CW show. it just sucks.
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Feb 20, 2020 17:43
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kidkissinger posted:yeah, it just feels like this series has no respect for the viewer or their time. and the cheap drama filler feels like a CW show. it just sucks. I've been watching season 1 of The Terror (since I read the book the first season is based on, no idea what season 2 is since its apparently unrelated) and by 4 of 10 you are well into the weeds of the plot with a huge cast of characters, plenty of flashbacks and a lot of well dramatised exposition to establish a time and place that's probably not too familiar for most viewers, and that's a relatively "slow" paced show that's also extremely bleak. Check out the The Terror season 1 if you're interested in a bit of historical fiction with a supernatural bent.
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Feb 20, 2020 17:51
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Lizard Combatant posted:
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Feb 20, 2020 17:59
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Lizard Combatant posted:I've been watching season 1 of The Terror (since I read the book the first season is based on, no idea what season 2 is since its apparently unrelated) and by 4 of 10 you are well into the weeds of the plot with a huge cast of characters, plenty of flashbacks and a lot of well dramatised exposition to establish a time and place that's probably not too familiar for most viewers, and that's a relatively "slow" paced show that's also extremely bleak. This looks sick. Going to check it out tonight!
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Feb 20, 2020 18:01
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kidkissinger posted:This looks sick. Going to check it out tonight! Rad. Hope you like it.
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Feb 20, 2020 18:03
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ashpanash posted:Thanks for announcing it, I'll be sure to update my notebook about what kidkissinger has decided it's ruining picard the character for me right now so i'm just not gonna watch any more because the show stinks, and i can forget about it and just enjoy the real picard of TNG. discovery was bad and i stopped watching, but they got me for picard on the promise of old favourite characters returning in a capacity that wasn't just a reboot. i was looking forward to a continuation of the star trek i actually like. instead, they've dismantled what was distinct and enjoyable about star trek, populated the show with a bunch of boring or unlikable new characters (exception for laris), and the two who have returned so far - picard and seven of nine - don't behave or sound anything like their previous characters. the actors are just playing themselves, with space props. if they had replaced everything i liked about star trek with something i also liked, then great, but it's not been like that. we don't even have a gripping plot because they are dead set on stringing out this mystery to the point that very little actually happens from week to week, and it's all in service of a reveal which i am certain will fail to justify the sacrifice of actually writing compelling episodes. i'll listen out for future star trek stuff that people say is legitimately better than discovery and picard, but i stopped watching discovery after s1 and haven't missed it, and now i'll just stop picard a bit earlier because it clearly isn't the show for me. i guess i just had to get out some last negativity before i do the best thing for everyone and zip my lid about this show i'm no longer watching.
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Feb 20, 2020 18:14
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I really liked it
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Feb 20, 2020 18:30
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kidkissinger posted:This looks sick. Going to check it out tonight! Season 2 was awful though, but thankfully each season is its own thing
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Feb 20, 2020 18:40
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Snow Cone Capone posted:Season 2 was awful though, but thankfully each season is its own thing That's a shame, but I wasn't too excited for it and it's odd they didn't pick another book by the same author for their anthology. Seems like such a weird choice to make up something completely unrelated. Should have left it at one season, but yes luckily it's a completely self contained story. Lizard Combatant fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Feb 20, 2020 |
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Feb 20, 2020 18:42
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