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I've been mentally pronouncing it as boot the same way as tears up reads as crying or ripping paper in context. It's just shorthand with a humorous coincidence. I feel like it's a good sign for society when his supporters need to stretch this far to cite evidence of homophobia. Even ten years ago, a gay presidential candidate would have been a constant late night comedy punchline.
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Warren apparently raised 7 million off that debate
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warren is in not as dire a budget situation after her big post-debate haul but i still don't see her staying in for super tuesday due to the fact that she will lose her home state if she does stay in
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Warren apparently raised 7 million off that debate Bloomberg went to bed and woke up $7M richer
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Warren apparently raised 7 million off that debate is there a source on this?
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I don't think they ratfuck Bernie unless it's really close. If Bernie has any kind of significant lead, Obama emerges from his lair and publicity knee bends. None of the liberals will be able to defy Obama. He's smart enough to see that it would destroy the party and I think despite his flaws he doesn't want to see that happen.
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https://twitter.com/VioletTamaskan/status/1230617385465516040?s=20
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Hellblazer187 posted:I don't think they ratfuck Bernie unless it's really close. If Bernie has any kind of significant lead, Obama emerges from his lair and publicity knee bends. None of the liberals will be able to defy Obama. He's smart enough to see that it would destroy the party and I think despite his flaws he doesn't want to see that happen. I agree. I think hes willing to pay some more taxes if it means the facists don't win. Then president bernie nominates obama as supreme court judge, leading to one party rule as every Republican melts down, ark of the covenant style.
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Cabbages and Kings posted:We have this thing called a primary, where every candidate believes themselves to be the most qualified, and actively try to prevent anyone else from being president. The field should've been cleared for Sanders after everyone else was too chickenshit to take on Clinton (Sanders only ran because he tried to recruit Warren and she declined).
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Feb 21, 2020 14:21
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20 million people turned on their television to watch Bloomberg eat poo poo live on national television.CNN posted:The early figures from Nielsen Media Research, a firm that measures the size of television audiences, indicated that approximately 19.7 million people watched the debate on NBC and MSNBC combined. Link to full story. So if you see some liberal hand-wringing that nobody watched, shove that in their face. Edit: Since this is a Nielsen rating, it does not include digital engagements such as through Hulu, streaming video, or on an app. Those things were less popular in 2015. Cpt_Obvious fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Feb 21, 2020 |
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Cerebral Bore posted:Yea, the way these vox pops work is that they interview like a hundred people and then pick the three dumbest motherfuckers and put them on the air. Reminds me of that really old Jeff Foxworthy joke about how after a tornado or some other natural disaster, they don't interview scientists or climatologists, they find the dumbest looking yokel they can for the clip of "It was pandalerium! I about spilled my beer!"
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Feb 21, 2020 14:33
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It's a shame he's basically only known for his hackier "might be a redneck" jokes
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Look I've been looking through the right wing media sites, and I think they've finally found the actual images of Bernie's house:  ...are we like 100% he's on the right side of the revolution. 
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Hellblazer187 posted:I don't think they ratfuck Bernie unless it's really close. If Bernie has any kind of significant lead, Obama emerges from his lair and publicity knee bends. None of the liberals will be able to defy Obama. He's smart enough to see that it would destroy the party and I think despite his flaws he doesn't want to see that happen. Obama despises Bernie lmao
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Sampatrick posted:Obama despises Bernie lmao Despite his many, many flaws I still think Obama would bend the knee rather than see a brokered convention.
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Sampatrick posted:Obama despises Bernie lmao IMO, and I understand how one might disagree with this, but IMO he's not dumb or evil enough to blow up the world over a personal distaste for someone.
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Honestly, unless it somehow affects his legacy, I don't think Obama gives a poo poo one way or the other. Despite what we know now (and what I'm sure some of you knew even back then), he's going to go down in the history books as one of the good presidents. As long as that isn't threatened, he probably doesn't give a Pete's rear end about what the Dems do.
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Bernie and his surrogates really need to start emphasizing the importance of preventing a brokered convention in order to avoid a Trump re-election. Play ads with clips of the '68 convention and GE interposed with clips of Warren, Boot Petigieg and others saying the person with the most votes should be the winner (in reference to the 2016 election).
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the_steve posted:Honestly, unless it somehow affects his legacy, I don't think Obama gives a poo poo one way or the other. This is actually exactly why Obama will never endorse Bernie unless he's already the nominee; Bernie is a direct threat to Obama's legacy based on the central plank of his campaign being M4A.
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Panicking Biden-Bloomberg Donors on Wall Street Demonstrate That Money Can’t Buy You Common Sensequote:CNBC’s Brian Schwartz published a piece about this cohort on Wednesday afternoon, before the debate, writing that “close to a dozen” Wall Street figures and white-shoe lawyers who had been doing major fundraising for Biden had decided to switch their support Bloomberg because they believed that he was the only candidate formidable enough to defeat finance-hostile Sen. Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primary. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/02/biden-bloomberg-donors-ask-themselves-well-what-now.html
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a brokered convention and the death of the democratic party are much bigger threats to his legacy.
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Sampatrick posted:This is actually exactly why Obama will never endorse Bernie unless he's already the nominee; Bernie is a direct threat to Obama's legacy based on the central plank of his campaign being M4A. Not really. If that happens it casts Obama as the precursor / John the Baptist guy, and cements his reputation as part of the progressive wave.
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Demiurge4 posted:Despite his many, many flaws I still think Obama would bend the knee rather than see a brokered convention. Obama is the most cynical politician in a century.
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Obama had your standard centrist "be realistic" objections to m4a, he wanted a public option but was blocked by Joe Lieberman in the senate. I think people ITT like to pretend that what obama delivered was what he wanted to deliver instead of the result of bad-faith negotiation on the part of the GOP and the lack of solid progressive support in the Senate from blue dogs.
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Dietrich posted:Obama had your standard centrist "be realistic" objections to m4a, he wanted a public option but was blocked by Joe Lieberman in the senate. I think people ITT like to pretend that what obama delivered was what he wanted to deliver instead of the result of bad-faith negotiation on the part of the GOP and the lack of solid progressive support in the Senate from blue dogs. You cannot possibly be this naive.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Warren apparently raised 7 million off that debate I wonder how much her staffing is still costing her. I know she was cutting back on ad buys and likely isn't doing any more expansion of her ground game, but the staffing she still has is substantial and she's not going to want to end this in debt. Although it's possible she goes deep into debt believing she can leverage whatever Super Tuesday delegates she gets to have the eventual nominee (Bernie) pay it off for her. Dietrich posted:Obama had your standard centrist "be realistic" objections to m4a, he wanted a public option but was blocked by Joe Lieberman in the senate. I think people ITT like to pretend that what obama delivered was what he wanted to deliver instead of the result of bad-faith negotiation on the part of the GOP and the lack of solid progressive support in the Senate from blue dogs. Obama wasn't blocked by Lieberman in the Senate. The public option didn't even make it into 2009; he gave that up at the negotiating table months before they even produced a bill. He very clearly never deeply believed in it and abandoned it at the very first opportunity. Wicked Them Beats fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Feb 21, 2020 |
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Dietrich posted:Obama had your standard centrist "be realistic" objections to m4a, he wanted a public option but was blocked by Joe Lieberman in the senate. I think people ITT like to pretend that what obama delivered was what he wanted to deliver instead of the result of bad-faith negotiation on the part of the GOP and the lack of solid progressive support in the Senate from blue dogs. The ACA passed with literally 0 republican votes. Are you interested in an exciting bridge owning opportunity in New York?
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It doesn’t seem all that naive. Obama was a high achieving ivy league type who switched to progressive politics as a career. It’s pretty normal for a person like that to correctly identify social problems, correctly identify the solutions, have a go at them, but not be motivated to follow them through in the teeth of opposition because their personal situation won’t be affected. Sucks, but it’s human.
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Phone posted:The ACA passed with literally 0 republican votes. Wasn't there one republican vote in the house who lost his next election?
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Obama wasn't blocked by Lieberman in the Senate. The public option didn't even make it into 2009; he gave that up at the negotiating table months before they even produced a bill. He very clearly never deeply believed in it and abandoned it at the very first opportunity. The public option did get passed by the house, it just didn't make it in the Senate. Because of Lieberman.
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It's naive to think Obama wanted better. Look at his reaction to the recession and who he put in economic positions in his administration.
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The proposed bill had the public option until Lieberman said he'd refuse to vote for it. They needed him to avoid a Republican filibuster. Obviously they could have played things differently, but I think it's fair to say that Obama wanted a public option and caved to lovely moderate dems.
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Dietrich posted:Obama had your standard centrist "be realistic" objections to m4a, he wanted a public option but was blocked by Joe Lieberman in the senate. I think people ITT like to pretend that what obama delivered was what he wanted to deliver instead of the result of bad-faith negotiation on the part of the GOP and the lack of solid progressive support in the Senate from blue dogs. lol what is this horseshit?
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Built 4 Cuban Linux posted:The proposed bill had the public option until Lieberman said he'd refuse to vote for it. They needed him to avoid a Republican filibuster. They passed the bill through reconciliation. They didn't need him
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Phone posted:The ACA passed with literally 0 republican votes. I followed the development of the ACA very closely, I'm 100% aware of that. There were endless negotiations with the GOP, and many concessions to attempt to get bipartisan support for it. Every time the Dems gave something, the goal posts moved for what it would take to get bipartisan support. It took too long to realize the depth of the bad faith from the GOP side. Those were the failures of the Obama administration.
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Garrand posted:The public option did get passed by the house, it just didn't make it in the Senate. Because of Lieberman. Ok thanks. I looked it up and had misremembered. John Wick of Dogs posted:They passed the bill through reconciliation. They didn't need him The initial passage was actually via cloture, 60-39. And then they used the reconciliation process after passage to amend the bill, but restricted themselves to budgetary concerns because this was long before anyone suggested reconciliation to just pass whatever you want.
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