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I can see why they were destroyed though. She's a good writer, but this way it ensures his work and legacy are firmly his, and not up for grabs at a later date due to circumstances no one could have imagined. Maybe she goes bankrupt and has to sell the rights? OH poo poo DISNEY DISCWORLD and man that would loving suck. It sucks there's no more of em, but I'm at least comfortable with the why. It's not like he was writing a trilogy and just hosed off to never write the third book.
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She can just write her own series? It's not like there aren't enough Discworld books.
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Feb 19, 2020 20:45
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Samuringa posted:She can just write her own series? It's not like there aren't enough Discworld books. there aren't. 
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Feb 19, 2020 20:55
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She also stated that she will not write any more Discworld novels anyway: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jun/12/terry-pratchett-daughter-fans-shepherds-crown-last-discworld-novel
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Feb 19, 2020 21:05
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Samuringa posted:She can just write her own series? It's not like there aren't enough Discworld books. Exactly. This demanding that there is never enough of anything tends to cheapen the best series with poor entries and late additions, and crowds out the space for something new to come along. We got more than enough Discworld books. Arguably we have too many.
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Feb 19, 2020 22:05
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nonathlon i'm calling the police with both phones.
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Feb 19, 2020 22:13
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Whatever your opinion of Frank Herbert is I think its a good idea to preemptively eliminate the possibility of the Brian Herberts and Keven J. Andersons of this world having sex with your literary corpse.
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Feb 20, 2020 00:09
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Zelazny got rid of his notes AND had all his best writer friends swear to never continue Amber or release any of what he had said about his ideas for continuing it, so the people who ended up with the rights ended up having to go to third string hacks, which made them predictably lovely.
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Feb 20, 2020 02:07
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I missed Neil Stephenson chat, but I'm reading Seveneves, and I keep getting distracted from some pretty awesome near-future space building by the fact that loving Space Elon Musk is the only dude savvy enough to save humanity, like it keeps grinding at me each time it comes up. It's like The Diamond Age and how Weird Sex Stuff shows up to ruin the book in the 11th hour.
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Feb 20, 2020 02:20
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also you know, respecting the wishes of the dead and his next of kin is a pretty compelling argument for not continuing the series, especially when that next of kin is the proposed writer to do so
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Feb 20, 2020 02:20
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On the other hand, some of Franz Kafka's most famous works were only published because his executor did not follow his wish to have them destroyed.
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Feb 20, 2020 02:43
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I wanted to see Carrot and Angua become King and Queen and unite the humans and the dwarves and the supernatural beings 
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Feb 20, 2020 04:35
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:we can assume the author has translated all of that slang and shorthand into more familiar terms. that being said, I'm having trouble thinking of any non-RPG products who did that kind of thing well. Batman Beyond's use of "schway" in place of "cool" got really stupidly repetitive. Was all worth it for 'shwarbage', though.
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AlbieQuirky posted:I wanted to see Carrot and Angua become King and Queen and unite the humans and the dwarves and the supernatural beings The world is your oyster.
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AlbieQuirky posted:I wanted to see Carrot and Angua become King and Queen and unite the humans and the dwarves and the supernatural beings Carrot being king was Pratchett's "Bad End," though? Like, to the point to where even Carrot realized it, and subtly suggested it as the nuclear option if Vetinari was usurped/did anything that went against the city? Carrot and Angua were pretty insufferable though, as well as Susan and Moist von Lipwig. Maybe it's because it's been a long time since I've sat down to re-read -- or listen, the audiobooks were really good -- the series, but I honestly can't think of any more plot threads or character Pratchett left unfinished. Rincewind is as safe as a wizzard can be, Vimes is still a loving cop (ACAB), DEATH IS ETERNAL, and the rest of the characters had fairly satisfying -- or at least decisive -- ends to their arcs. In fact, I think it was a mistake to release The Shepherd's Crown because it was really obvious where Pratchett had left off and others added on. Like, a loving magical battle? Pratchett went out of his way to either avoid those, or invert it so hard it became a gag, like when the faculty of Unseen University hunted a sentient compost heap. That book was a great example of why nobody should ever, ever work on a Pratchett property again. Speaking of which, they're still making that The Watch show, and like every single adaptation of Pratchett's work it's going to be goddamn awful and will retroactively make me dislike his other work for inspiring it. Pratchett's talent was in his prose, and you can't translate that to a loving TV show!
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Feb 20, 2020 05:24
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I AM MAD ABOUT DISCWORLD
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Screaming Idiot posted:Maybe it's because it's been a long time since I've sat down to re-read -- or listen, the audiobooks were really good -- the series, but I honestly can't think of any more plot threads or character Pratchett left unfinished. Rincewind is as safe as a wizzard can be, Vimes is still a loving cop (ACAB), DEATH IS ETERNAL, and the rest of the characters had fairly satisfying -- or at least decisive -- ends to their arcs. The only character that had any dangling plot was Moist. Maybe it’s just me, but it felt like Vetinari was grooming him to be the next patrician. Plus there was the whole “Grand Undertaking” that was only just started. These are however, minor bits as far as dead authors go.
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I liked that (IIRC) Raising Steam was Vetinari being particularly excitable. He wanted a train station in Ankh Morpork because trains turned out to be awesome and he wanted in.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:tbh the thing that bothers me about Pratchett having his notes destroyed is, like Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:I can see why they were destroyed though. She's a good writer, but this way it ensures his work and legacy are firmly his, and not up for grabs at a later date due to circumstances no one could have imagined. Maybe she goes bankrupt and has to sell the rights? OH poo poo DISNEY DISCWORLD and man that would loving suck. Samuringa posted:It's not like there aren't enough Discworld books. Screaming Idiot posted:like every single adaptation of Pratchett's work it's going to be goddamn awful
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Feb 20, 2020 08:51
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Pratchett had a lot of projects towards the end he wasn't able to finish, including Scouting for Trolls and Raising Taxes, with elements incorporated into the final books. I felt there was a theme where things don't really end until you die (and sometimes even then); life goes on for everyone after The End, even the final book shows as many stories starting as ones that finish. (Monstrous Regiment especially has that theme) You can make some clear guesses as to how things are going to go, but there's a point where some things are best left to whatever you come up with for your imagination.
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Feb 20, 2020 09:13
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Tiggum posted:It just seems kind of dickish and pointless to me. Here's some stuff that you know people would be really interested in seeing, but you're going to just destroy it so they can't? It was all doodles of Sonic frenching Luigi. e: Oh wait you probably knew that already.
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Been reading a bunch of Japanese mysteries lately and read a real bad one: Book is real offensive. Starts being about your badass lady cop in a sexist world but she ends up being saved by the main sexist rear end in a top hat cop, and the cop who is in love with and stalking her. She also gets lectured at the end about how although she solved the mystery she did it wrong with instinct and feeling (she gets one of the killers was a rower but the wrong one) instead of bullying nurses to break patient confidentiality and paying a hacker to give you all the answers like the sexist cop did. Sexist and transphobic and dumb. Do not read.
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Tiggum posted:It just seems kind of dickish and pointless to me. Here's some stuff that you know people would be really interested in seeing, but you're going to just destroy it so they can't? I feel like Brian Herbert and KJA have inspired a bunch of writers to publicly nuke their notes so that decades down the line, people can’t claim that their weird sequels that contain things that blatantly contradict the original work were based on outlines in a safe deposit box.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I feel like Brian Herbert and KJA have inspired a bunch of writers to publicly nuke their notes so that decades down the line, people can’t claim that their weird sequels that contain things that blatantly contradict the original work were based on outlines in a safe deposit box. You could just release it instead. Just put it in your will that all your notes and unfinished works are public domain. Then if anyone writes anything based on them everyone can see what was actually there and what the new author added. Seems like a better solution to that particular problem.
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Tiggum posted:You could just release it instead. Just put it in your will that all your notes and unfinished works are public domain. Then if anyone writes anything based on them everyone can see what was actually there and what the new author added. Seems like a better solution to that particular problem. I don’t think it’s weird for people to not want their half-baked ideas, many of which were probably going to end up on the cutting room floor if they had been able to finish the work, released to the public. They don’t owe people anything.
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imo destroy them or donate them to some library or university with a heavy set of clauses for access (only researchers until 20 years after death, whatever)
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Destroying your notes is cool and good. Every single book I've read based on a manuscript that was lying around on someone's computer or made out of someone's compiled notes after their death has been garbage. The thing about authors is that most of what they write sucks.
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Djeser posted:The thing about authors is that most of what they write sucks. Good authors know this and get to know a ruthless editor.
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Djeser posted:Destroying your notes is cool and good. Every single book I've read based on a manuscript that was lying around on someone's computer or made out of someone's compiled notes after their death has been garbage. The silmarillion was a loving trip though, it took me ages to get into it but it sucked me right in once I got that it wasn't one story like the Hobbit was.
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Tiggum posted:Actually there are too many. The last good one was somewhere between Jingo and Going Postal. Thud! definitely represents the point where it distinctly felt like he should have moved on and written something else, with fresh characters and without all the accumulated baggage. I agree, but for a different reason. I think Thud is actually the book where you can first see Pratchett's disease start effecting his writing - there's just something off in a lot of places in the text. In Unseen Academicals it's really apparent something's not quite right - there's a lot of strange tangents, plot-points that never go anywhere, inconsistent characters and bizarre non-jokes dragged out for way too long. Snuff and Raising Steam just shouldn't have been published. The plot is barely coherent and dialogue - an area where Pratchett used to absolutely shine - is just an absolute slog of monotonous monologues where you can't tell one character from another. Reading Raising Steam was just a deeply tragic experience, seeing in writing a previously intelligent, eloquent and witty man reduced to a rambling, incoherent mess.
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Funny, I never felt as if it was his illness directly affecting his writing, but more about just throwing in the towel and pushing out as many goddamn books as he could before he croaked. Selling out in the best possible way, if you would.
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From the TBB genre crit thread again:Apparatchik Magnet posted:Tempted to review this one. sethimothy posted:I am reading this book right now. About 35% into the way of it. sethimothy posted:Would be interested in your thoughts. I'm at the point where the Temporal Social Justice Warriors have convinced Vietnam to invade America from California where they're received with open arms, and the way to "fix" this is to start an anti-war sentiment in Vietnam proper complete with over-reporting of civilian deaths and an under-reporting of victories. Jane Fonda is "strangled with her own exercise leggings and hung by a meat hook until predatory birds picked the flesh from her bones." Take the plunge! Okay! posted:I am really enjoying the wild ride that is Sleeping With Hitler’s Wife. The author uses a limited vocabulary and resorts to cliches for pretty much every description of emotional states and other needs - hearts sink, entire bodies get electrified and so on. However, the prose has a certain rapid fire rhythm owing to the shortness of sentences and simplicity of expression. All in all, I find it less unpleasant than verbosity often found in more ambitious genre works. sethimothy posted:He plows the FATHERLAND from behind. I took it more the author was either being clever or attempting to be clever (quote depending.) Take the plunge! Okay! posted:Hitler’s wife contd: sethimothy posted:I finished it. I finally finished it.
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Mr. Sunshine posted:I agree, but for a different reason. I think Thud is actually the book where you can first see Pratchett's disease start effecting his writing - there's just something off in a lot of places in the text. In Unseen Academicals it's really apparent something's not quite right - there's a lot of strange tangents, plot-points that never go anywhere, inconsistent characters and bizarre non-jokes dragged out for way too long. Snuff and Raising Steam just shouldn't have been published. The plot is barely coherent and dialogue - an area where Pratchett used to absolutely shine - is just an absolute slog of monotonous monologues where you can't tell one character from another. Reading Raising Steam was just a deeply tragic experience, seeing in writing a previously intelligent, eloquent and witty man reduced to a rambling, incoherent mess. My Discworld reading history went from Thief of Time to Thud! onto others so Thud! has a good spot in my heart. UA and Snuff definitely weren't as good, though. My overall favourite is still Small Gods.
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Tiggum posted:
tiggum, do you believe these things specifically to spite me?
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Don Gato posted:The silmarillion was a loving trip though, it took me ages to get into it but it sucked me right in once I got that it wasn't one story like the Hobbit was. Agreed, with the caveat of also mostly ignoring the sections that are just genealogies and such, which I guess are good as background flavor but not so much to read. (opinions to be taken with a large grain of salt, as I was interested enough to get through that massive 10+ volume set of resurrected Tolkien writing during a summer of morning and evening college classes with nothing between :sweatdrop)
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I have fond memories of Thud because the signing tour when it was first published was the one time I got to see Pratchett in person, and he waxed poetic about what would end up being Unseen Academicals. But even still I recognize that it’s not his best work and it was a bit of a downward spiral after that.
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sorry but once you write a book where an evil movie theater takes over peoples brains and calls it a cthinema you get to write however many books about whatever the gently caress you want and they all get hardback releases.
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I read a lot of horror anthologies and Lost Films is a good anthology with a few bad stories. Look at this poo poo:  yeah I took a picture of my Kindle.LUXARDO
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Untrustable posted:I read a lot of horror anthologies and Lost Films is a good anthology with a few bad stories. Look at this poo poo: what is the context for this nonsense
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