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Keltar posted:Time to reveal Hal Jordan is behind all the time line zaniness in a big to make himself and the other "legends" the true heroes even at the cost of their successors. In other words, he got his Zero Hero and it's why we got people like Barry back even as Wally kicked around. Hal has been fine since he came back. Barry should have stayed dead.
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Mr Hootington posted:Hal has been fine since he came back. They've each killed billions of people. And like, real people, not asparagus people like Jean Grey.
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Feb 22, 2020 04:16
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Mr Hootington posted:Hal has been fine since he came back. Hal created an entire universe as part of an elaborate ruse to capture a villain withe the death and rebirth it entails.
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Feb 22, 2020 04:50
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I meant the stories have better for Hal instead of Barry ya goobers.
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Feb 22, 2020 04:58
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Heck at this point I'm about ready to move on from Wally. Dude was the Flash of the 80s-2000s. We're in 2020. When you're all about passing the mantle on it's about time, even if Barry swiped 10 years back.
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Feb 22, 2020 05:06
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Get that 60 year old character out of there and give this 30 year old one a shot!
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Feb 22, 2020 06:15
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Kyle never got a chance. Stupid Hal Jordan.
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Feb 22, 2020 06:26
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A perfect world would give all Green Lanterns a chance. All the Earth Lanterns are great. Haven’t seen much of Simon, but he’s from Dearborn, so he gets a pass.
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If the rumors about what is/was planned for 5G are/were accurate (for those not following, the core Justice League members were allegedly going to be aged up significantly, seemingly by having their adventures shifted further back along the sliding timescale, and succeeded by mostly-new legacy characters) it’s not really hard to see why WB higher-ups might have gotten cold feet, and I’m honestly surprised it got as far along as it did
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Feb 22, 2020 06:58
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harras is stil eic so i predict things are just going to get even more dire
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Feb 22, 2020 07:49
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Open Marriage Night posted:A perfect world would give all Green Lanterns a chance. All the Earth Lanterns are great. Haven’t seen much of Simon, but he’s from Dearborn, so he gets a pass. I really miss the Green Lanterns book with Simon and Jessica being buddy cops. Bring it back, drat you, DC! 
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Feb 22, 2020 07:52
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Yeah, this wasn't a happy exit. https://twitter.com/Ssnyder1835/status/1231111463781093378?s=20
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Feb 22, 2020 08:03
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https://twitter.com/GailSimone/status/1230982294896140288 I thought DiDio was the reason Kate didn't get married?
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My old boss is at the ComicsPro summit and everyone appears to have been fully blindsided by this. He also says most of the retailers in attendance are celebrating this. Edit: ha, ethan is claiming DC will be shut down if 5G fails. A very desperate grasp for likes and continuing his grift. Rhyno fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Feb 22, 2020 |
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Feb 22, 2020 14:06
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I feel like Didio is going to be one of those people where critical and historical consensus on him in 10 or 15 years is going to be a lot different than what it is now or what it was a decade ago. For sure a complicated figure with a far reach.
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Feb 22, 2020 15:35
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He's a complicated man and no one understands him but his woman.
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Rhyno posted:He also says most of the retailers in attendance are celebrating this. Comic store retailers happy guy who tried to expand beyond the comic stores is gone, more news at 11.
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Feb 22, 2020 17:13
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TwoPair posted:I really miss the Green Lanterns book with Simon and Jessica being buddy cops. Bring it back, drat you, DC! Hugely under rated run. I wish more book would actually bother with characters having lives and relationships with people outside of being super heroes.
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Feb 22, 2020 17:22
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Jordan7hm posted:Comic store retailers happy guy who tried to expand beyond the comic stores is gone, more news at 11. I don't know if you remember what my posting was like when I was actually running the shop but comic retailers are a bunch of massive douchebags. As opposed to the normal level of douchebag I am now.
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Feb 22, 2020 18:04
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Rhyno posted:I don't know if you remember what my posting was like when I was actually running the shop but comic retailers are a bunch of massive douchebags. Not so much your posting, but yeah comic shop owners (and most small retailers) are generally short sighted and self interested.
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Feb 22, 2020 18:10
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Jordan7hm posted:Not so much your posting, but yeah comic shop owners (and most small retailers) are generally short sighted and self interested. My old boss is being pretty smug about it. I wish I was still in the FB retail group, I'm sure they're being totally sane about this.
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Feb 22, 2020 18:11
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Didio was definitely kind of abrasive/blunt about things which colors everyone's opinion beyond the actual content of his business moves; you can say the same about Jim Shooter or the early Quesada/Jemas administration or Mike Carlin, Gary Groth, Todd McFarlane, Erik Larsen, Mark Waid, etc. etc. etc. That doesn't mean that some of these people lapsed straight into being assholes, or that they made nothing but good decisions which were masked by them being jerks about it, but in general but especially in a fan/retailer culture built on Smilin' Stan and Uncle Julie people tend to react violently to someone in power telling them that certain things suck and need to change. I also think it's incredibly unlikely that anyone who fills Didio's position is going to be friendlier to the direct market.
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So Didio had obvious preferences and quirks, but does anyone know what Jim Lee is into? Presumably he could be sole publisher now, but the only time I see him pop up is stuff like taking Tom King and a Batmobile over to the Middle East for a USO tour. What are Jim Lee's Flintstones and Svengoolie? Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Feb 22, 2020 |
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Feb 22, 2020 19:13
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Teenage Fansub posted:So Didio had obvious preferences and quirks, but does anyone know what Jim Lee is into? He was a Wildstorm founder. Maybe he'll bring back Gen13
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Yeah, I was going to say, Jim Lee is super into pushing his old 90's Wildstorm properties. I'm pretty sure he's the only reason the New 52 inexplicably had so many Wildstorm titles.
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Edge & Christian posted:Didio was definitely kind of abrasive/blunt about things which colors everyone's opinion beyond the actual content of his business moves; you can say the same about Jim Shooter or the early Quesada/Jemas administration or Mike Carlin, Gary Groth, Todd McFarlane, Erik Larsen, Mark Waid, etc. etc. etc. It's either going to be some like seventy year old who almost came to blows with Steve Englehart over Fantastic Four continuity in the middle eighties or somebody from the YA publishing side of the company, with like no middle ground.
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Karma Tornado posted:It's either going to be some like seventy year old who almost came to blows with Steve Englehart over Fantastic Four continuity in the middle eighties or somebody from the YA publishing side of the company, with like no middle ground. If I'm reading the tea leaves correctly Didio is out because he wasn't playing Why Not As Many Movie Franchises As Marvel? ball to the satisfaction of the rest of DC Entertainment, and it's time for the once-a-decade "why are we even publishing these comics?" questions from Warner/AOL/Time Warner executives. Bringing in Paul Levitz or Tom Defalco or someone like that to address it doesn't seem very likely at all. Geoff Johns, on the other hand, maybe? But honestly probably someone from outside of comics.
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Edge & Christian posted:The only people I can see from the "old guard" getting the gig would be Bob Harras (unlikely given that he's been EiC for the past ten years and more or less flown completely under the radar, I can't imagine they want to make him a figurehead, but he's also been around for the past ten years) or maybe Jeph Loeb in some sort of 'he's a hitmaking transmedia creator and we 'got' him from Marvel' move, but that also feels unlikely. My guess is that they look towards young adult and pull somebody from an outside publishing house, yeah. I actually genuinely forgot Warner sold off their book arm to Hachette like a decade ago, though.
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The thing that really pissed me off about Didio is how he tried to skew the narrative to serve his agenda. Like when he had Ted Kord killed Countdown to Infinite Crisis he went to all the interviews and Conventions afterwards and justified it by saying it was the first book to ever make blue beetle relevant constantly saying “who the hell cared about Blue Beetle last year?” Which was a really odd thing to say because the year before he stared in the fairly high selling “Formerly Known as the Justice League” mini that was so popular it garnered a longer sequel a year later. He also tried to make it sound like JLI was always just a big joke which wasn’t the case at all. Yes there was a lot of humor in the series but it also covered more series and traditional storylines as well and was one of the longest running justice league runs of all time and led to several spinoffs that continued well into the 90s. I also didn’t care for his attitudes towards Nightwing, Cassandra Cain, and Wally West. His obsession with Omac that nobody gives a poo poo about, his constant desire to go back to the crisis well and mine old storylines, and the overall darker edgelord narrative he wanted in every book. Bringing back Barry Allen was loving stupid too.
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Ted Kord's death was extremely well done. The rest of the JLI not so much.
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I'm the biggest Ted Kord fanboy there is, and even I think he went out like a drat boss in Countdown to Infinite Crisis. Unlike so many comic book deaths, his death mattered. It had weight, it affected other characters and the larger narrative, and it reminded (or taught) readers AND other characters why he was cool. But I always hated that Justice League: Generation Lost was so good, and set up a new, ongoing JLI series that could have been great, only to be completely derailed and undone by the New 52. And I never saw a point to DC jettisoning so many decades of continuity for a '90s-style relaunch, except for the few books that didn't have to adhere to the relaunch rules. (I always wondered how much of the New 52 was DiDio, how much was Harras, and how much was Lee.)
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Guess he'll never get his chance to perfect his [Upcoming Event] is like 52 Done Right!
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FilthyImp posted:Guess he'll never get his chance to perfect his [Upcoming Event] is like 52 Done Right! I laughed out loud the first time a customer reminded me he said that about Countdown. 52 is one of the best books DC has ever produced, easy. The Dan Didio New and Improved version was so forgettable I had to really think what it was counting down too. New 52 was incredibly undermined by Green Lantern #1 being a direct extension of the previous 70 issues and being incomprehensible to new readers. Credit where credit is due, New 52 did create a ton of new readers for a while, but then again they actually advertised it to people other than comic book readers. Who knew.
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New 52 could have been interesting if they had gone the secret war route, but actually pulled the trigger on a tot as l reboot.
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Edge & Christian posted:The only people I can see from the "old guard" getting the gig would be Bob Harras (unlikely given that he's been EiC for the past ten years and more or less flown completely under the radar, I can't imagine they want to make him a figurehead, but he's also been around for the past ten years) or maybe Jeph Loeb in some sort of 'he's a hitmaking transmedia creator and we 'got' him from Marvel' move, but that also feels unlikely. Jeph Loeb feels so unlikely that it loops back around to probable and I don't know how to feel about it.
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Loeb would be the worst choice possible. Give it to Morrison.
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Morrison wouldn’t want to deal with all the corporate stuff.
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Monkey's Paw option:Zack Snyder
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Thranguy posted:Monkey's Paw option:Zack Snyder Do it you loving cowards. I demand the Snyder Cut of Prez.
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Noob Saibot posted:The thing that really pissed me off about Didio is how he tried to skew the narrative to serve his agenda. Like when he had Ted Kord killed Countdown to Infinite Crisis he went to all the interviews and Conventions afterwards and justified it by saying it was the first book to ever make blue beetle relevant constantly saying “who the hell cared about Blue Beetle last year?” Which was a really odd thing to say because the year before he stared in the fairly high selling “Formerly Known as the Justice League” mini that was so popular it garnered a longer sequel a year later. He also tried to make it sound like JLI was always just a big joke which wasn’t the case at all. Yes there was a lot of humor in the series but it also covered more series and traditional storylines as well and was one of the longest running justice league runs of all time and led to several spinoffs that continued well into the 90s. Wasn't he also involved in a lot of shitfuckery with how Stephanie Brown and Billy Batson were handled back in the early to mid 2000's? I recall those very unpopular changes being on humor at least that being the train of thought. Ditto for a bunch of popular and well liked stuff from the Nu52 being canned like the Starfire run.
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