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thespaceinvader posted:DO we know why Momentum is supporting Rayner over one of those two? other than that, you'd need to ask the Momentum NEC. The Momentum membership only got a yes / no vote on supporting each of RLB and Rayner, and, uh, <20% turnout, RLB got 70% yes, Rayner 53% yes, membership a bit miffed about the process precisely because of the lack of choice ed: 
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I could swear I got a RLB/Rayner thing from Momentum a couple fo days ago but I can't find it now.ThomasPaine posted:apparently bernie sanders, the almost perfect archetype of 'old new york jewish man', also wants to do a holocaust now, centrist twitter is wild Yes didn't you know the jewish holocaust survivor is a horrible antisemite? gently caress I hate how well this bullshit works.
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Feb 24, 2020 12:39
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It is funny in equal measure to watch centrists bend the knee to Bernie and melt down spectacularly
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Feb 24, 2020 12:46
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The increasingly baffling relationship between the far right and (establishment) Judaism post-WW2 is if nothing else going to make for a cracking PhD thesis one day, assuming someone is about to write it.
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Canadian politics post inbound: #Wexit is trending on Canada twitter, because a bunch of Albertans want the West of Canada to secede and/or join the US, because they're Mad About Oil. There's a Wexit party been registered which is aiming to run in every seat at the next election. Not really sure how they're planning to gain seats outside of Alberta though. It's not even named right because Alberta isn't the Westernmost province. Also the reason it's trending is because some company who were going to be starting a $20bn oil sands extraction project in Northern Alberta have withdrawn their application. Chuds on twitter saying stuff like "Regulated to death! Is Canada a failed state?" but if you look at the letter from the company saying why they're withdrawing, they say "Global markets are changing towards clean energy" etc. and it's all about climate change. Hasn't stopped the Alberta premier from blaming it on "Federal inaction" in relation to blockades set up by indigenous communities against a gas pipeline being built through their territory. Just dumb, dumb poo poo all around. Mostly a small minority at this point but it still boils my piss. I didn't think for a moment I was getting away from this poo poo by moving to Canada - Quebec have had a separatist movement for years, mostly because they're French-speaking I think. A lot of it very much mirrors what's been going on in the UK with industrial decline - All of the populated places in Saskatchewan and Alberta basically only exist because of oil extraction, only the oil price has been tanked down to half of what it was 10 years ago, and now of course climate change has people moving away from oil, so you have a bunch of people living in places that will have lost an entire industry before long. So of course now Saskatchewan and Alberta have lots of people who vote Tory, and at the extreme end want to secede as their own oil state or join the US so they can say "Ha gently caress you, we're still extracting oil!" to Canada and the rest of the world, while it all loving burns down and everybody dies. Cool poo poo.
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Feb 24, 2020 13:06
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ThomasPaine posted:The increasingly baffling relationship between the far right and (establishment) Judaism post-WW2 is if nothing else going to make for a cracking PhD thesis one day, assuming someone is about to write it. Sorry I'm already doing the parallels between negative / positive freedoms and capitalism / socialism.
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Feb 24, 2020 13:15
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Momentum as an organisation is running the RLB leadership campaign, we aren’t involved in the deputy campaign.
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Guavanaut posted:Hard agree on that one. He already had the steam rocket, and we're not dealing with Project Apollo budgets here.
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WhatEvil posted:
Someone I know moved to Saskatchewan years ago for a software development job. Prior to that they would have considered Canada more progressive than the United States. He said it was a shock to see how many locals had the same culture as American rednecks. Said he never saw so many pickup trucks. It was even popular with some of them to modify their trucks to be less environmentally friendly and pump out massive black clouds of smoke as they drove.
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Feb 24, 2020 13:39
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I met a woman from Edmonton at a conference and she seemed deeply deeply religious in a quite intense anabaptist kind of way, and we had a rather forthright disagreement about the bolsheviks over dinner, well that's my Alberta story thanks for reading
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Feb 24, 2020 13:40
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I was born in Alberta. small world.
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Feb 24, 2020 13:42
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Comrade Fakename posted:Momentum as an organisation is running the RLB leadership campaign, we aren’t involved in the deputy campaign. Given how much the previous deputy sabotaged the leader you'd have thought they'd go hand-in-hand.
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Comrade Fakename posted:Momentum as an organisation is running the RLB leadership campaign, we aren’t involved in the deputy campaign. Thats interesting, I was just about to post a question that this is kind of relevant to. A bbc article just told me the starmer is the favourite for the leadership and raynor for deputy. That seemed odd given that I thought long bailey and raynor were running an almost american president style double ticket. You'd think if one was the favourite so would the other be. Evidently their fates are not as closely tied up together as I had understood.
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Feb 24, 2020 14:07
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Comrade Fakename posted:Momentum as an organisation is running the RLB leadership campaign, we aren’t involved in the deputy campaign. Mm, not sure I'm super keen on lansman being in charge of it tbh.
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Feb 24, 2020 14:11
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Cool cool, just a Labour MP bigging up a fash https://twitter.com/RachelReevesMP/status/1231886779982151680?s=20 (And being retweeted by Laura Kuenssberg of course)
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Feb 24, 2020 14:15
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It's pretty great that the first thing I think of when I hear about nancy astor is just "oh yeah the fascist"
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Feb 24, 2020 14:17
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Elect 👏 More 👏 Women 👏 Antisemites
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Feb 24, 2020 14:17
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Can someone with thread authority (you know who you are) tell me who to vote for? I'm still off news & politics but I've got a vote so I'll use it. My only exposure other than deleting emails and putting letters in the bin is getting a call from "Team Starmer" even though I set all my preferences to "never contact me by phone" after the election.
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Feb 24, 2020 14:20
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lol give over fascists aren't antisemitic, that's socialists, I am very smart
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Feb 24, 2020 14:21
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RLB and either Burgon or Butler IMO.
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Feb 24, 2020 14:21
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Sanford posted:Can someone with thread authority (you know who you are) tell me who to vote for? I'm still off news & politics but I've got a vote so I'll use it. My only exposure other than deleting emails and putting letters in the bin is getting a call from "Team Starmer" even though I set all my preferences to "never contact me by phone" after the election. I personally am going to vote for Rebecca Long Bailey and Dawn Butler. I think the leadership question is easy, and the deputy part is tough between Butler and Burgon, but I would like more BAME representation in higher seats.
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Feb 24, 2020 14:22
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imo RLB top choice for leader, then debating whether to put Nandy on at all to stop Der Starmer. Butler, Burgon, Rayner, Rosena Allin-Khan for deputy in that order.
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Sanford posted:Can someone with thread authority (you know who you are) tell me who to vote for? I'm still off news & politics but I've got a vote so I'll use it. My only exposure other than deleting emails and putting letters in the bin is getting a call from "Team Starmer" even though I set all my preferences to "never contact me by phone" after the election. I'm going to go RLB 1, Nandy 2, Starmer 3 for leader, deputy leader maybe Butler, Burgon, Rayner, Allin-Khan, Murray in that order, & Matt Kerr for Scottish Deputy. Unfortunately I suspect we'll get Starmer as leader & Jackie Baillie as Scottish Deputy with maybe a sop to the soft-left in Rayner and I will eternally curse the loving idiots on the left who have been taken in by Starmer or defeatism.
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The only thing that puts me off butler is the iraq war stuff.
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To be clear, Nandy is not the second-best option. She's dreadful. She is, however, in a distant third place, and so having her as your second round preference reduces Starmer's second-round gains as one of the frontrunners.
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OwlFancier posted:The only thing that puts me off butler is the iraq war stuff. She's also been very quick to uncritically accept the totally not cynical demands of various centrist wrt antisemitism https://twitter.com/simonmaginn/status/1231896144973832193?s=19
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Darth Walrus posted:To be clear, Nandy is not the second-best option. She's dreadful. She is, however, in a distant third place, and so having her as your second round preference reduces Starmer's second-round gains as one of the frontrunners. If you just want to vote not-starmer isn't it better to just not put a second preference in?
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OwlFancier posted:If you just want to vote not-starmer isn't it better to just not put a second preference in? I am much more worried by the purges that come from a Starmer leadership than anything else from Nandy. Both would be shite but I do not want Starmer getting it, he's surrounded himself with the absolute dregs of the party.
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I mean nandy led the owen smith campaign so I'm not sure there's that much distance between them. But if you don't want either then, as I understand it, just not voting in the second round reduces the total number of votes and amplifies the percentage that your first preference counts for?
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forkboy84 posted:Cool cool, just a Labour MP bigging up a fash Gotta love that this country's political firsts for women are often horrific people. I'm probably RLB for leader, and I don't know if I'll bother rating anyone else, Butler then burgon for deputy but I don't really have a strong read, I'm so checked out of this whole process.
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forkboy84 posted:Cool cool, just a Labour MP bigging up a fash This is your weekly reminder that the first ever female MP elected was Countess Markovitch. Who was both Irish AND a Socialist, as well as one of the people involved in the 1916 Rising. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constance_Markievicz It's always funny how much twisting of the cruteria goes on to try and find anyone other than Constance as being the first female MP.
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forkboy84 posted:I am much more worried by the purges that come from a Starmer leadership than anything else from Nandy. Both would be shite but I do not want Starmer getting it, he's surrounded himself with the absolute dregs of the party. Nandy will have at least an equal amount of purges and more acceptance of the "working class' legitimate immigration concerns"
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My local MP posted on FB earlier that he's supporting Starmer so i asked him if he could clarify how Starmer had funded his mail drop and some helpful soul retorted with a question on how RLB had funded hers, then answered it themselves with "Momentum!" as though that was check and mate.
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OwlFancier posted:But if you don't want either then, as I understand it, just not voting in the second round reduces the total number of votes and amplifies the percentage that your first preference counts for? Assuming you are voting RLB first choice then your best hope to avoid Starmer is to put Nandy as second choice. It would only be in the, sounding unlikely, instance that RLB is knocked out first that your second preference will get looked at. Theres no percentages to amplify or anything like that. lol I didn't read it properly, you said if you don't want either. Well it doesnt really matter what you do then does it, your first round vote will have disappeared anyway. NotJustANumber99 fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Feb 24, 2020 |
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Miftan posted:Nandy will have at least an equal amount of purges and more acceptance of the "working class' legitimate immigration concerns" gh0stpinballa posted:https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1231845547763544064?s=19 
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gh0stpinballa posted:https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1231845547763544064?s=19  please don't go to twitter for leadership chat, and absolutely do not read anything Paul Atreides Mason ever writes
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Assuming you are voting RLB first choice then your best hope to avoid Starmer is to put Nandy as second choice. It would only be in the, sounding unlikely, instance that RLB is knocked out first that your second preference will get looked at. Theres no percentages to amplify or anything like that. It's first to 50% of the vote each round, afaik, so if other people put your first choice as second preference, you want the second round to have as few other votes as possible so they can get over the 50% threshold, afaik?
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OwlFancier posted:It's first to 50% of the vote each round, afaik, so if other people put your first choice as second preference, you want the second round to have as few other votes as possible so they can get over the 50% threshold, afaik? By the second round there will only be two people left so whoever has more votes is going to have over 50%. Its completely possible I don't know what I'm talking about though. Like when nandy comes last they scrub out all her votes and look at only her second place preferences. These are added, with equal weight had they been first choice votes, to RLB and Starmer's retained first round totals. Whoever has more, wins? No? a million edits later NotJustANumber99 fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Feb 24, 2020 |
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