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I wonder how much of Arrested Development is "Seinfeld is Unfunny", honestly. Like, it was a tightly scripted show with deep continuity and planning in an era just before a lot of shows started having things like callbacks and references and long-term, ongoing plot arcs (at least at the sitcom level).
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Arrested Development is just as much a product of the W years as Parks and Recreation is of the Obama years, and neither of them have aged very well in 2020
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Feb 24, 2020 15:36
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The Bluth family is straight up the Bushes.
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Feb 24, 2020 15:51
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Big Mad Drongo posted:So was S.P.H.I.N.X. from Venture Brothers riffing on this as well as Cobra, or was it just a coincidence? Who knows, but probably. A lot of COBRA-like evil organisations from cartoons have goofy names and themes like that, but Venture Bros certainly tries parody everything it can. (And fun fact: COBRA was originally based on HYDRA, as the GI Joe pitch from repurposed from a Nick Fury Jr and SHIELD idea. So Venture Bros having the OSI also be the SHIELD analogue kinda takes it full circle) I know they went through a ton of effort coming up with ridiculous joke names for OSI agents, and had a serious challenge because so many of them were already taken by GI Joe. It came up in the current GBS thread about it that the GI Joe cartoon absolutely knew how ridiculous it was and leaned into it.
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Feb 24, 2020 16:01
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purple death ray posted:Arrested Development is just as much a product of the W years as Parks and Recreation is of the Obama years, and neither of them have aged very well in 2020 I really enjoyed Parks and Recreation when it was new, but I literally can't imagine watching it now.
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Feb 24, 2020 16:20
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Pick posted:Clone High is funny as gently caress. The episode about the film festival is still priceless. Whisper...whISPer...WHISPER! . . . Payaya!  Undergrands does not hold up as well, IMO. There are some funny jokes, but the basic premise of, "Here's the Nicest Nice Guy ever, watch him be College Everyman and fail to get the Hot Redhead...but then he does! All because he was a NiceGuyTM!" They almost try to walk it back in the finale; after he hooks up with the hottie, his friend does call his rear end out on it, but it's not enough to make up for like 15 episodes where we are supposed to sympathize with the poor dork who managed to get laid once by being a doormat for a year. Ironically, the character we're supposed to sort of hate (Rocko,) is, looking back, a much better person than the other 3 main characters. Nitz, as said, is a perpetual niceguy loser.Cal is a man-slut...which isn't that bad, I'm not here to slut/sex shame, but he had an unhealthy attitude towards women because of it. If he can't sleep with them, he doesn't care about them..and then dumps them after he does, even if they weren't aware it was a one night stand sort of thing. And Gimpy is your typical proto-goon, circa 2002, who is probably posting on /RedPill or /Incel as we speak. Rocko was an rear end in a top hat, but he KNEW he was an rear end in a top hat. It was shown he could be a good person if he tried, I remember an episode where he does date nice girl (actually nice, not NiceGirl-nice) but screws it up cause he decided to try and make his ex jealous with it, or something.
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Feb 24, 2020 16:25
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BioEnchanted posted:A joke that I only got watching through the show last year was in episode 2 when they go to the O-Town Mall - right in the middle of O-Town National forest. Federally protected land, but the capitalists still managed to build a mall right in the middle of it. Says a lot about how weak the Feds are in that universe compared to Conglomo. One of the things they tried to do was slip as much stuff past the censors as possible. They basically made a sport out of it. Some of it went over young kids' heads but teenagers were giggling over stuff like that. O-Town itself is one of those; "take me to O-Town" is a euphemism for "get me off." Because orgasm starts with an O. For a while they always ate at Chokey Chicken until the censors figured out the euphemism. So they changed it to Chewey Chicken but Heifer choked on something every single time they went there. Then one day Rocko came home to Heifer and Philburt already being there and playing a board game where you had to spank a monkey. I watched a few episodes recently and that show is still hilarious.
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Feb 24, 2020 16:27
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Are they still trying to go ahead with that kickstarted Undergrads movie? Seems just a little too late...
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DrBouvenstein posted:Undergrands does not hold up as well, IMO. i think we're looking at it from a different perspective, to me the premise was 'these three dorks think in episode 1 that college is going to be so different and glorious and they're all going to be so mature starting right now' and then the series dunks relentlessly on the idea because they don't really change and the sheen they think college has peels right off - at the time the show was acclaimed for how honestly it depicted campus life and the whole university experience and to me that's the core of the show i liked watching reruns back when i was in highschool and i appreciated it more several years after i graduated from university after i saw the things it was mocking myself there is a dated part tho, you're right, it comes from a time in tv back when a lovestuck lead whose obsessive behaviour was more creepy than romantic was a lot more common and while it does try to defuse the whole idea it only uses a half-measure, there seemed to more sympathy about it than ridicule until the last ep and you can definitely find the leads to be a little too obnoxious to enjoy because of it
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Feb 24, 2020 17:02
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Is John Cusack standing outside your window blaring Peter Gabriel endearing or problematic?
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Feb 24, 2020 17:05
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ToxicSlurpee posted:One of the things they tried to do was slip as much stuff past the censors as possible. They basically made a sport out of it. Some of it went over young kids' heads but teenagers were giggling over stuff like that. O-Town itself is one of those; "take me to O-Town" is a euphemism for "get me off." Because orgasm starts with an O. Weirdly enough the movie aged poorly in a sense because it was completed and unreleased for a couple years, and by the time it was a bunch of then-timely references like hoverboards and selfie sticks were already very dated.
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Feb 24, 2020 17:21
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Toshimo posted:Is John Cusack standing outside your window blaring Peter Gabriel endearing or problematic? i think a lot of people these days realize that the arc many romances take in fiction isn't especially healthy, sure like, to fit the course of a relationship onto the template of a three act story needs the writer to jam in certain kinds of ups and downs which often ends up making things pretty sketchy if the writer also lacks good discretion; i bet ryan gosling dangling off a steep ledge over a huge fall screaming he won't pull himself up unless rachel mcadams agrees to go on a date with him would, in fact, be considered more problematic irl than it's depicted in the movies and i think people would call that out more these days 80s cusack is handsome enough to play whatever he wants on his portable stereo tho 
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Feb 24, 2020 17:28
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hard counter posted:ryan gosling dangling off a steep ledge over a huge fall screaming he won't pull himself up unless rachel mcadams agrees to go on a date with him Holy gently caress was this a real movie?
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Clone High is sort of aged because it's a parody of a type of teen drama that doesn't exist anymore. All these insane CW shows are more ridiculous than Clone High could hope to be. Also today people would probably be annoyed by Gandhi being voiced by a white guy (although thankfully he's not doing an accent).
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Toshimo posted:Holy gently caress was this a real movie? the notebook (2004), it's less of a ledge and more like the top of a ferris wheel which he climbed to get the girl's attention even tho she was already riding it with another man
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Feb 24, 2020 17:31
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We're they just all trying to 1up each other with creepy niceguy poo poo for a few years? I thought the Kiera Knightly note card guy was peak awful, but now I feel like maybe that was a 3/10 in that era.
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Toshimo posted:We're they just all trying to 1up each other with creepy niceguy poo poo for a few years? I think The Notebook was the first of that trend. Although I haven't seen it in over 15 years, I don't recall The Notebook being terrible, plus it has James Garner
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Henchman of Santa posted:Clone High is sort of aged because it's a parody of a type of teen drama that doesn't exist anymore. All these insane CW shows are more ridiculous than Clone High could hope to be. Tell me about it. I only saw the first episode of Riverdale, and in it, we find out that Archie fucks Ms. Grundy (now young and hot,) and it's implied that some red-head girl may have murdered her twin brother that she also may have been in an incestuous relationship with Henchman of Santa posted:Also today people would probably be annoyed by Gandhi being voiced by a white guy (although thankfully he's not doing an accent). People were upset then, though for a different reason. Clone High never got a second season because of anger in India over the portrayal of Ghandi as a party-guy, which they only found out because of an unrealted Maxim cartoon showing Ghandi getting beat up. When a lot of Indians started searching for Ghandi, they also found out about Ghandi's portrayal on the show. It wasn't a big protest, but it happened at Viacom's headquarters in India while a top executive was there visiting, and India threatened to take away Viacom's license to broadcast in India. MTV execs decided it was easier to cancel the show than to go with Lord and Miller's ideas or "fixing Ghandi in season 2, which was to not have him there and never mention him again, a-la Richie Cunningham, or have him find out he was actually a clone of Gary Coleman.
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Feb 24, 2020 18:33
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DrBouvenstein posted:have him find out he was actually a clone of Gary Coleman. lmao to this day JFK's? dad, describing a riot as a "whole bunch of men, just running" pops into my mind whenever i think of like a sports riot or some other minor civil disturbance
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Iron Crowned posted:I think The Notebook was the first of that trend. Although I haven't seen it in over 15 years, I don't recall The Notebook being terrible, plus it has James Garner The Notebook is the only movie I have ever gotten emotional about. Except for LOTR. And T2. Up. Avengers. Homeward Bound. Up. Coco. Rocky. Schindlers List. Saving Private Ryan. Pursuit of Happyness. Up. Big Fish. Old Yeller. Where the Red Fern Grows. The Green Mile. Life is Beautiful. Up. Grave of the Fireflies. Marley and Me. The Iron Giant. Logan. Glory. Star Trek II. Click. Band of Brothers. Up. My Girl. King Fu panda. Planes trains and automobiles. LEGO movie. Bruce Almighty. Eternal sunshine of the spotless mind. Precious. Big Hero Six. I am going to tear up at some point in pretty much every movie and that’s just the way it is.
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Iron Crowned posted:I think The Notebook was the first of that trend. Although I haven't seen it in over 15 years, I don't recall The Notebook being terrible, plus it has James Garner I dated a girl that was Too Into the Notebook like ten years ago and her obsession with that movie basically destroyed the relationship. She had some really hosed up ideas about how relationships operate and felt like if you weren’t making dramatic gestures all the time you weren’t really committed.
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oldpainless posted:I am going to tear up at some point in pretty much every movie and that’s just the way it is. friend, i think you would enjoy watership down (1978)
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Feb 24, 2020 18:56
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Watrrship Down ended a lot happier than the reputation led me to believe.
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Feb 24, 2020 19:08
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Women want you to show affection but my love language is grunts, mild disdain, and pornography addiction.
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luxury handset posted:lmao Yeah it's the more effeminate of JFK's two dads who says that. Also the show makes it clear that Ghandi can never live up to the original and struggles with it.
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My brain at every single sports movie trailer: "there's no-thing in the RULE book that says a giraffe can't play FOOTball"
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Feb 24, 2020 19:27
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Imagine partying so hard you cancel an entire show not even Charlie Sheen managed it.
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Feb 24, 2020 19:29
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Feb 24, 2020 19:31
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I'm a Kennedy, I'm not accustomed to tragedy
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It's been awhile since I've watched it, but how do you all feel about The Critic? It's obviously got some dating to it, since it predates internet culture by awhile, but, it and Mission Hill are still two of my all time favorite cartoons. I feel like MH is a time capsule in a lot of ways as well. It really encapsulated a very niche time frame, I think, that really brief window where computers were relatively commonplace, but just before the I.T. boom really hit.
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the_steve posted:It's been awhile since I've watched it, but how do you all feel about The Critic? I love The Critic. It still mostly holds up, provided you watch basically every movie made before 1995 to get the references. There are a few problematic jokes, I can think of a couple transphobic and/or homophobic ones, but still less of those overall than most 90's shows. If you haven't seen the terrible "third season" that was a series of Shockwave cartoons from some defunct site (Atom Films?) save yourself the time and don't bother. They're a Duketastrophe.
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DrBouvenstein posted:I love The Critic. It still mostly holds up, provided you watch basically every movie made before 1995 to get the references. I remember the internet season. Not much, though I remember the joke where all the different networks were throwing him out and Comedy Central's office was just a circus tent. And I remember the parody clip of that one Mel Gibson flick, The Patriot? I wanna say The Patriot. But yeah, I don't count that season in my mind. Kinda bummed out, Jon Lovitz is actually doing a show in Pittsburgh soon, but I'm going to be out of town.
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I love the critic too, it was the first time I loved a TV show nobody else liked. The first show I carried a torch for, before you could get every TV show on a DVD set or torrent site. I remember it being on late night Comedy Central and being on AOL messenger in like 2002 and people in the chat room being like "omg critic just said I love you Spartacus lmao" It's maybe the most carbon dated show thanks to the movies being parodied and the constant jokes about 90s personalities like Roseanne, Bill Clinton, Mario Cuomo, etc. I actually watched the episode where they introduced Alice and her daughter just last night, and realized they probably blew their whole seasons budget on the stop motion for their "The Nightmare Before Hanukkah" goof, because holy poo poo is there some lovely animation on that show
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purple death ray posted:because holy poo poo is there some lovely animation on that show I think they were aiming towards at-time low-fi Simpsons style animation to get more shows to follow the Simpsons gravy train. I hardly remember any episodes, but I kinda remember that it was OK to funny most of the times. For some reason I also remember a tidbit that Critic-Simpsons crossover episode was mandated by the Fox Network so Matt Groening was really unhappy about it and decided to leave his name out of the episode as a low level FU towards the network.
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Pick posted:Ha ha! Nothing bad ever happens to the Kennedys!! oh my god you MONSTER
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DrBouvenstein posted:I love The Critic. It still mostly holds up, provided you watch basically every movie made before 1995 to get the references. I imagine some people would be upset with the nonstop fat jokes.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:I imagine some people would be upset with the nonstop fat jokes. Is there more fat jokes or more jokes where the punchline is "he's Jewish" ? From memory I feel like they're about even.
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I'd like you to meet Ethel, but she just jumped out the window
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I rewatched Clone High a couple of months ago and I felt most of it held up really well. There were a few parts that I think were weaker than I had remembered and a few bits that I thought hadn't aged well, but overall it was still really solid comedy. Rewatching Clone High also made upset about the Solo movie all over again. God forbid someone makes a funny Star Wars film.
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