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nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

BabyRyoga posted:

New PC, time for a new 100+ gigs of mods skyrim playthrough. Is there any all-in one compliation of mods guide that has gained popularity over the last 2 years or so? If not, i'll just start going through and looking over some of the old ones.

The Northern Experience is a pretty good and comprehensive guide for making Skyrim look really cool without adding too much extra garbage to it. Some of their choices are a tiny bit questionable and the have a habit of seemingly randomly ripping out and shoving in new mods into their recommendation list, but over all it's fairly solid. I used it to build my latest game of Skyrim with and I'm quite happy with how it turned out.

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Midnight Voyager
Jul 2, 2008

Lipstick Apathy
I recently started a "throw in a bunch of mods and welcome to hell" playthrough of Skyrim and... oof. I had some thoughts!

Best mod of the game: Clockwork. Good poo poo end to end. Technically impressive, nothing ever broke for me, great atmosphere. Would recommend without reservation.

graynull posted:

I recently played through Gray Cowl of Nocturnal as part of Lexy's Modlist... no disrespect to its creator, but goddamn it was not a pleasant experience. Started out decently, until it spits you out into the desert. Then just goes drastically downhill, and the end was just... I'm not doing that again. If I want the item I'll just console it in and pretend it was all a dream.

loving same, holy god. Although the beginning bothered me. The dungeon seemed to require a lot more walking to get anything done than was necessary, and one of the choices of Blades to be nostalgic about was completely inexplicable. Screw Baurus, says the modder, let's bring in the one guy who you never get dialog with, he just always says he's busy even if he's sitting around!

I did get a laugh out of the guy with the Italian(?) accent trying to do a stereotypical Middle-Eastern accent. I have never wanted to harm someone more in my life, though, when the NPC near the end started walking down a hall and into a large room and I realized... oh, I have to follow him across the room, too! I have never walked down so many pointless halls in my life as I did in that mod. By the end, I was begging for it to just end, not have me pointlessly walk through Akavir for no reason and oh yeah, escort quest NPC to the docks, why not, WHY, WHY DO THIS. I nearly cried with relief when I saw credits.

Credit where it's due, there is a specific daedric lord voiced VERY well. However, he's written so badly I skipped through as much of him as I could. And the flood of spiders coming out of the tomb walls effect was effective.

nine-gear crow posted:

Helgen Reborn's got a lot of charm to it that outweighs its negatives too, I find.

That one guy's voice actor and the fact that a lot of it wildly drags out way longer than it should sorta ruin it for me. You know the one. The one that sounds like a really aggressive Ahnold impersonation. And to be specific, the arena sequence is pointless and irritating and too long. Some of the dungeons are also too long. Far too little of the dialog is skippable because it's a scene between multiple people. Also the waifu is... weird. Like okay, you can marry one of the characters, fine, but it's weird how she goes out of her way to specifically introduce herself and point out that she's a follower, oh and she's wearing that tiny outfit Aela wears. Just weird.

Tools of Kagrenac was irritating. The final areas are excessively long walks with nothing much to do in them. The plot is basically "try to do this thing that you are told very clearly not to do by many people with no opportunity to do anything but follow along without just not continuing the quest." I wouldn't have been so mad in it if not for the deeply irritating maze ruin that includes a large underwater section full of slaughterfish who jammed me into a corner in a way that meant I couldn't move or do anything.

The Forgotten City was... a problem, frankly. The stuff from the standalone game they have coming up sounded much better, but let's just say there was some problematic poo poo in the mod. Homophobia that felt weird for the setting was one big thing. It's really clear it wasn't made for Skyrim's setting. But there's also a sideplot where a gay man is getting death threats from some other guy and you threaten him into stopping by saying you'll magically turn him into the gay guy's sex slave. And in the good ending, they end up in a romantic relationship. :yikes: The premise was also underutilized and underexplored, but I really checked out a bit after that sidequest.

Artifacts: Tournament of Ten Bloods is pretty short, combat-heavy. There are some difficult fights, but my only real problem was that the initial dragon was a LITTLE glitchy. He did not want to land anywhere near me for the end of the fight, so I ran all over the mountain a lot. Otherwise, short and sweet and kinda intense. Would recommend.

The Brotherhood of Old was... a confusing experience. On the one hand, it wasn't as bad as I expected. Pretty good Nazir and Babette voices. Night Mother's not bad either. A little weird that Cicero was left out altogether, but I guess he could easily be dead at that point. There were characters with "funny" quirks that weren't any worse than Cicero, much to my surprise. Those are usually the worst. But it also was just jerking off Lucien LaChance in a really weird-rear end way. There's some weird OC do not steal descendant of his who is a girl you can marry, but even that wasn't as bad as I expected. She even looked pretty much like a normal NPC. Also the plot was weird as hell, and I honestly think the mod would have been better off without it. It's even optional in the end and nobody is that bothered if you don't go through with it. Just deeply strange. And there were other deeply strange moments where you had opportunities to be merciful for some reason? Like yeah, choices, sure, but there's no consequences for not killing your target and that's weird. Or they'd just leave out a thing you could have said to solve something like... Okay, example: Guy wants brother saved from jail. Wants everyone else there killed for a bonus, no witnesses. There's a complication even he doesn't know about : Brother is in jail to get his girlfriend out. You somehow do not have the choice to go "We killed everyone except the person your brother got arrested to save. He threatened to try to kill us if we killed her, and I don't think you'd have wanted us to murder your brother while saving him." You just lie about it and say you killed them all or lie and say it was frantic and one person got away.

On the other hand, the modder needs a quest marker/explanation intervention. I have literally no idea why I killed the first target. I genuinely thought I missed something, went back, did it again, still could not figure it out at all. There is more than one place where I had no idea what the hell was even going on, and there were several spots that were begging for a quest marker. Like look, the sanctuary is a relatively big place and Babette wanders. You want me to talk to her? put a drat marker over her head. There was more than one spot where the quest should have at least updated to say what was going on, but it did not, so again, I SORTA wasn't sure what even just happened. There was a part that wanted you to follow an orc from loving Morthal to Markarth. Luckily, he mentioned where he was going so I could fast travel there and wait, but they REALLY should have just put a marker in Markarth and had me meet him there. (I say this, but meeting someone at a city also broke catastrophically for me) Then I had to walk all the way to a relatively nearby dungeon with him, all of this with basically no explanation.

The worst part is that it broke the living poo poo out of everything. The OC girl's hairstyle, an inoffensive ponytail, somehow gave her greyface no matter how facegen was done. One of the new NPCs started a riot in Markarth and killed every single guard there, and this wasn't intended. I hadn't even joined the Brotherhood yet. He's also visibly way out of place in Markarth, wearing daedric gauntlets and boots and a robe. I was told to meet two people in Morthal and only one showed up and had no dialog. I didn't know this was broken until later because I got sucked into a different quest before I could get there. Part of one of the goddamn SIDEquests in it breaks the literal main quest. Tried to kill a target in the Thalmor Embassy during the main quest there. Should work, right? SUPER WRONG, nobody involved in that main quest will spawn with it active. One of the sidequests caused, without warning, all Solitude guards to want to murder me on sight. The sidequest chain ended in the biggest meh I've ever seen. There are a myriad of nasty bugs and completely fragile sequences of events. They will not be fixed, because according to the modder, they are not the mod's fault, they are yours, so screw off, I guess.



Fun gem of the game: Blackreach Railroad. That end boss didn't path well at all and was a bit glitchy, but I thoroughly enjoyed every second of that mod anyway. I also am enjoying my train hat for train people, like myself.

Related, but the mod that adds Dwemer spectres is great. It integrates seamlessly and functions very well. I had a deeply weird moment in Finding Mercer's first dungeon, a Dwemer ruin, where the bedrooms and such were populated by normal spectres and tonal architects and such but there were guard spectres and robots in the hallways. The positioning seemed so intentional I checked to see if the mod used spectres specifically. It did not. It just worked that way.

Following Mercer is solid, by the way. It's just dungeony stuff, but the dungeons are nice! My favorite's this ice tunnel dungeon which had skeletons and stuff embedded in the walls, like one really giant skeleton you could only see bits of as the tunnel wound around. They integrate cleanly with the rest of the game, too. That first Dwemer ruin was pretty cool too, because there were places where the falmer and dwemer had clearly clashed. The ruin also seemed to have places that had purpose, like there were bedrooms and labs and pens and such.

bef
Mar 2, 2010

by Nyc_Tattoo

Pontificating rear end posted:

You can pay $2 to the Nexus and never get ads again. It's worth it considering how much I've downloaded from there. The only malicious files could be SKSE plugins since the code they run is fairly unknown, but so many people download and use these files that there is really no chance of threat. Also Windows should block any .dll trying to access administrative functions.

i bought a 1 month subscription just to automatically download all the mods for ultimate skyrim and it was def worth it.

Lt. Lizard
Apr 28, 2013

Midnight Voyager posted:

lot of words...

Having this kind of frank, informal review of a bunch of big story mods and their various flaws is pretty helpful, thanks!

Midnight Voyager
Jul 2, 2008

Lipstick Apathy

Lt. Lizard posted:

Having this kind of frank, informal review of a bunch of big story mods and their various flaws is pretty helpful, thanks!

I'm glad it helps somebody!

I kinda ended up doing it because all the reviews I was seeing of all of these mods were super glowing and void of ANY detail. They just kinda read like someone watched a trailer for a movie and reviewed it from that. There were also some reviews that just said to play the mod instead of a corresponding bit of official CC because it was automatically better. Sure, Tools of Kagrenac is free, but I bet the CC version doesn't have that goddamn underwater maze bit. And I'll wager the CC Gray Cowl doesn't make me walk, not run or jog, WALK the length of that entire cavern the skeletal dragon inhabits in that one Mage's Guild quest.

I wasn't wanting a step by step or anything, but "I had opinions about parts of the mod" didn't seem like a high bar to clear.

Lordshmee
Nov 23, 2007

I hate you, Milkman Dan
Welp. The gaming rig I got specifically to play Skyrim like a boss finally died on me after 7 years of dedicated service. New PC is on the way. Problem is, right when it died, I was actually into my most involved Skyrim run in years, just hit level 43 and was about to start Dragonborn again for only like the 3rd time ever.

My SSD where all my data lives is fine and I intend to put it into my new PC when it arrives. I think that after I install Skyrim and SKSE64 all I should have to do to pick up my old game is just fire up MO2 right where it lives, make sure it’s pointed at the correct Skyrim folder, and away I go. Does this sound right to y’all?

Orcs and Ostriches
Aug 26, 2010


The Great Twist

Lordshmee posted:

Welp. The gaming rig I got specifically to play Skyrim like a boss finally died on me after 7 years of dedicated service. New PC is on the way. Problem is, right when it died, I was actually into my most involved Skyrim run in years, just hit level 43 and was about to start Dragonborn again for only like the 3rd time ever.

My SSD where all my data lives is fine and I intend to put it into my new PC when it arrives. I think that after I install Skyrim and SKSE64 all I should have to do to pick up my old game is just fire up MO2 right where it lives, make sure it’s pointed at the correct Skyrim folder, and away I go. Does this sound right to y’all?

More or less. You'll have to run skyrim from the launcher once, and then go back and make sure it's the right version of the exe for your skse and mods. Then just launch from MO like nothing happened.

Lordshmee
Nov 23, 2007

I hate you, Milkman Dan
That’s so rad that we can do that. We’re never going to get a game like this again are we? I think Bethesda has been destroyed. ES6 is going to have MTX and DRM to protect them and it’s going to be hard as gently caress to mod unless you jump into their straight jacket and cut them their piece.

Well, here’s to another 10 years of Skyrim!

bef
Mar 2, 2010

by Nyc_Tattoo

Lordshmee posted:

Welp. The gaming rig I got specifically to play Skyrim like a boss finally died on me after 7 years of dedicated service. New PC is on the way. Problem is, right when it died, I was actually into my most involved Skyrim run in years, just hit level 43 and was about to start Dragonborn again for only like the 3rd time ever.

My SSD where all my data lives is fine and I intend to put it into my new PC when it arrives. I think that after I install Skyrim and SKSE64 all I should have to do to pick up my old game is just fire up MO2 right where it lives, make sure it’s pointed at the correct Skyrim folder, and away I go. Does this sound right to y’all?

Lol how does a computer "die"

timn
Mar 16, 2010
I have a hard time imagining they'll A. close the system, B. do it competently enough to significantly hinder the community from cracking it, and C. pursue legal action reliably enough to prevent the free mod community from operating out in the open.

We'll definitely continue to see monetization efforts, but it's hard to imagine even Bethesda being dumb enough to try to kill the very thing that has given their games the staying power and cultural cachet they have despite all their flaws.

But if they do, at least we'll get a slightly less stupid meaning for the term "mod piracy" out of it. :v:

Lordshmee
Nov 23, 2007

I hate you, Milkman Dan

bef posted:

Lol how does a computer "die"

Pump for the CPU water block quit and it’s a Falcon NW Tiki so it’s all closed and proprietary. I ain’t loving with that poo poo. It was about time for something new anyway.

Caphi
Jan 6, 2012

INCREDIBLE

bef posted:

Lol how does a computer "die"

Same way bodies do, a core component stops working or deteriorates to the point where it's practically useless.

bef
Mar 2, 2010

by Nyc_Tattoo

Lordshmee posted:

Pump for the CPU water block quit and it’s a Falcon NW Tiki so it’s all closed and proprietary. I ain’t loving with that poo poo. It was about time for something new anyway.

Ah thats the price of pre built i guess lol. #worth

BabyRyoga
May 21, 2001

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
Good news, thread! I've spend about 30 hours in the background over the last week modding my game and i'm pleased to say I am almost ready to play.

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

BabyRyoga posted:

Good news, thread! I've spend about 30 hours in the background over the last week modding my game and i'm pleased to say I am almost ready to play.

..... hours?

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
...play?

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013
Skyrim Modding: we expect you to loving play the game at least once.

NeoSeeker
Nov 26, 2007

:spergin:ASK ME ABOUT MY TOTALLY REALISTIC ZIPLINE-BASED ZOMBIE SURVIVAL PLAN & HOW THE ZOMBIE SURVIVAL VIDEO GAME GENRE HAS BEEN "RAPED BY THE MAINSTREAM":spergin:
Yeah just after I fix some of this goofy looking weaponry, add more random events to spice up wandering from point a-b, some hypothermia mod obviously and basic needs/survival.



It begins...

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

nine-gear crow posted:

Skyrim Modding: we expect you to loving play the game at least once.

What is this revisionist nonsense?

Modding IS the game!

Agents are GO!
Dec 29, 2004

nine-gear crow posted:

Skyrim Modding: we expect you to loving play the game at least once.

At least :nms: this garbage, Christ.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

nine-gear crow posted:

Skyrim Modding: we expect you to loving play the game at most once.

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


i only play skyrim unmodded

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?

nine-gear crow posted:

Skyrim Modding: we expect you to loving play the game at least once.

Unreasonable.

doctor 7
Oct 10, 2003

In the grim darkness of the future there is only Oakley.

Berke Negri posted:

i only play skyrim unmodded

oh, oh my god

oh god I think I'm going to be sick

Kaiju Cage Match
Nov 5, 2012




Get on my level: I mod, play a little bit, tweak my load order, rinse and repeat.

(I just want to have a full, good playthrough of Skyrim for once. :smith:)

timn
Mar 16, 2010

Kaiju Cage Match posted:

Get on my level: I mod, play a little bit, tweak my load order, rinse and repeat.

(I just want to have a full, good playthrough of Skyrim for once. :smith:)

As long as you're having fun along the way, you're already playing your best Skyrim. :unsmith:

Vavrek
Mar 2, 2013

I like your style hombre, but this is no laughing matter. Assault on a police officer. Theft of police property. Illegal possession of a firearm. FIVE counts of attempted murder. That comes to... 29 dollars and 40 cents. Cash, cheque, or credit card?
Having an odd and irritating problem. Unfinished quests are disappearing from my journal. I suspect the issue is that there's some maximum number of quests that'll be displayed, and since I have a ton of completed quests, they're pushing the in-progress quests off the list. I believe the quest stages are all fine and I can continue to do stuff, it's just the journal display that's messed up.

Mildly concerned that as I continue to complete quests, I'll end up not being able to display any in-progress quests at all.

Anybody have any ideas? I'm not sure if there's a way to hide completed quests from the journal, and maybe just hiding them wouldn't work (compared to removing them somehow).

fake edit: I just counted and I have about 180 completed quests in my journal. If there's some display cap of 256 quests, I could be steadily approaching that. (Including incomplete quests I'm only at 205 or so, but I expect there are some invisible quests being by mods for tracking purposes, and I have a few quests hidden using Hide Those Futile Quests, but not enough to actually hit 256.)

Lunchmeat Larry
Nov 3, 2012

my balls fell off

Vavrek
Mar 2, 2013

I like your style hombre, but this is no laughing matter. Assault on a police officer. Theft of police property. Illegal possession of a firearm. FIVE counts of attempted murder. That comes to... 29 dollars and 40 cents. Cash, cheque, or credit card?
My condolences.

NeoSeeker
Nov 26, 2007

:spergin:ASK ME ABOUT MY TOTALLY REALISTIC ZIPLINE-BASED ZOMBIE SURVIVAL PLAN & HOW THE ZOMBIE SURVIVAL VIDEO GAME GENRE HAS BEEN "RAPED BY THE MAINSTREAM":spergin:

Kaiju Cage Match posted:

Get on my level: I mod, play a little bit, tweak my load order, rinse and repeat.

(I just want to have a full, good playthrough of Skyrim for once. :smith:)

I think you just need to find a new game.

Dameius
Apr 3, 2006

timn posted:

As long as you're having fun along the way, you're already playing your best Skyrim. :unsmith:

It turns out the real Skyrim were the mods you fixed along the way.

NeoSeeker
Nov 26, 2007

:spergin:ASK ME ABOUT MY TOTALLY REALISTIC ZIPLINE-BASED ZOMBIE SURVIVAL PLAN & HOW THE ZOMBIE SURVIVAL VIDEO GAME GENRE HAS BEEN "RAPED BY THE MAINSTREAM":spergin:
Is there a mod that allows you to take the corpses of any dead foe and put them on display for psychological effect? Dracula style at the very least.

I'd love to have a collection of dungeon bosses in my backyard that pisses off the neighbors.

NeoSeeker fucked around with this message at 04:42 on Feb 27, 2020

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

NeoSeeker posted:

Is there a mod that allows you to take the corpses of any dead foe and put them on display for psychological effect?

I'd love to have a collection of dungeon bosses in my backyard that pisses off the neighbors.

What The gently caress?

NeoSeeker
Nov 26, 2007

:spergin:ASK ME ABOUT MY TOTALLY REALISTIC ZIPLINE-BASED ZOMBIE SURVIVAL PLAN & HOW THE ZOMBIE SURVIVAL VIDEO GAME GENRE HAS BEEN "RAPED BY THE MAINSTREAM":spergin:

Skwirl posted:

What The gently caress?

Basically a reaction something like this.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE

Berke Negri posted:

i only play skyrim unmodded

Same. Once you start modding you never play the game again, you just obsess over your curated mod collection.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Skwirl posted:

What The gently caress?

Skyrim Modding: we expect you to mount a corpse to your wall.

Orange Crush Rush
May 7, 2009

You don't need thumbs for revenge
Has anyone had something like this video happen, where suddenly you start drawing your bow in ultra slow motion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRvMA3ZLscM

I think it might be due to an Ordinator perk I took, Hailstorm (supposed to give you a stacking Attack Speed increase every time you fully draw a bow)

edit: looked into a bit and apparently it might happen because sometimes having Windbourne (Speech Skill) and Hailstorm active at the same time can cause Quick Shot (a per-requisite to Hailstorm) to stop working right. Good news is Quick Shot is an unchanged Vanilla perk so turning it off and back on via console commands usually fixes it.

Orange Crush Rush fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Feb 27, 2020

Midnight Voyager
Jul 2, 2008

Lipstick Apathy

Orange Crush Rush posted:

Has anyone had something like this video happen, where suddenly you start drawing your bow in ultra slow motion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRvMA3ZLscM

I think it might be due to an Ordinator perk I took, Hailstorm (supposed to give you a stacking Attack Speed increase every time you fully draw a bow)

edit: looked into a bit and apparently it might happen because sometimes having Windbourne (Speech Skill) and Hailstorm active at the same time can cause Quick Shot (a per-requisite to Hailstorm) to stop working right. Good news is Quick Shot is an unchanged Vanilla perk so turning it off and back on via console commands usually fixes it.

This might help: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/32859

Rainbow Knight
Apr 19, 2006

We die.
We pray.
To live.
We serve

Vavrek posted:

Having an odd and irritating problem. Unfinished quests are disappearing from my journal. I suspect the issue is that there's some maximum number of quests that'll be displayed, and since I have a ton of completed quests, they're pushing the in-progress quests off the list. I believe the quest stages are all fine and I can continue to do stuff, it's just the journal display that's messed up.

Mildly concerned that as I continue to complete quests, I'll end up not being able to display any in-progress quests at all.

Anybody have any ideas? I'm not sure if there's a way to hide completed quests from the journal, and maybe just hiding them wouldn't work (compared to removing them somehow).

fake edit: I just counted and I have about 180 completed quests in my journal. If there's some display cap of 256 quests, I could be steadily approaching that. (Including incomplete quests I'm only at 205 or so, but I expect there are some invisible quests being by mods for tracking purposes, and I have a few quests hidden using Hide Those Futile Quests, but not enough to actually hit 256.)

Can't shake the feeling that maybe it has to do with the mod that's designed specifically to hide quests from your fancy anime elf diary or whatever :v:

Do you have any other mods that are supposed to alter your journal or menu in some way?

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Vavrek
Mar 2, 2013

I like your style hombre, but this is no laughing matter. Assault on a police officer. Theft of police property. Illegal possession of a firearm. FIVE counts of attempted murder. That comes to... 29 dollars and 40 cents. Cash, cheque, or credit card?
I don't think so. Full modlist here. Notably, when I look at Hide Those Futile Quest's MCM page, it is also missing the quests that have fallen off the main journal page. Turning the mod off doesn't change anything in the main journal (aside from un-hiding a few quests). I think the problem's earlier in the chain than that:

1. Quests I've started.
2. That're displayed in the journal.
3. Which are then filtered by Hide Those Futile Quests.

The problem's in step 2. I've found a few threads online of people talking about the issue, but nothing helpful. One thread blamed the problem on Simpler Knock, which I don't have. (I do have Simply Knock, and don't care much about it one way or the other, so I could try removing it.)

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