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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Por que no los dos? gently caress off back to Spain.
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Feb 24, 2020 19:33
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Nurge posted:gently caress off back to Spain. Spanish is widely spoken in Colorado, too, you know.
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Feb 24, 2020 19:36
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Spanish is widely spoken in Colorado, too, you know. No that's Mexican
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Mozi posted:https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231960500335980544?s=20 This is exactly the type of poo poo I was talking about? Like maybe it's nearly time to use some stronger language simply because it's true and despite the fact that it may affect markets? Myriarch posted:
so much for my virus-laden aerosol plumes  Hamelekim posted:I didn't realize the range was 200 meters. Rip open public bathroom doors, or using public rest rooms. okay, now it's "virus-laden gaseous plumes" I don't love how they're changing it up on us Pick posted:The danger of the virus is economic not biological Easy to say unless it's your particular biological meatstuff getting infected. Then it becomes very much a matter of biology and the status of your 401k fades quickly into the background unpacked robinhood posted:Trump Rallies ? A large amount of flabby idiots who aren't likely to follow simple rules destined to protect them, their loved ones and society in general well turgid at the thought, mate! Mordja posted:Bet it's gonna turn out the Corona was just a viral marketing campaign from Huawei. China started hearing all about this so-called "viral marketing" and really wanted to get in on the action. This whole thing started with a tragic misunderstanding of the phrase  Vegetable posted:Does China have their own conspiracy theories about crisis actors faking this virus The preferred conspiracy theory in China seems to be that the virus was planted by the CIA
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Feb 24, 2020 19:55
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Even under the old 6 phase system, Pandemic is defined as starting when you have: sustained community-scale outbreaks in 2 countries Right now only china fits that bill, so right now it is still the time to cooperate as much as possible and work on way countries can help each other. WHO wants to not preemptively yell pandemic because it will lead to panic, idiocy and a type of isolationism that will only help the spread. E: WHO also emphatically didn't say there won't be a pandemic, they very clearly said multiple times that as of yet we're not in the state of pandemic, but must prepare. Mithaldu fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Feb 24, 2020 |
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Feb 24, 2020 20:10
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How are we not in a pandemic if there are major outbreaks on multiple continents? Isn't that the definition of a pandemic?
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Feb 24, 2020 20:22
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I have a really high fever, had a splitting headache and general feeling of...something being off on Saturday, which has now progressed to horrible wheezy cough and crackling chest. It's probably just a common or garden influenza which I'd normally not worry too much about, take some meds and rest up, but....I dunno. If it gets worse I'll probably call the NHS hotline.
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Feb 24, 2020 20:49
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Bardeh posted:I have a really high fever, had a splitting headache and general feeling of...something being off on Saturday, which has now progressed to horrible wheezy cough and crackling chest. It's probably just a common or garden influenza which I'd normally not worry too much about, take some meds and rest up, but....I dunno. If it gets worse I'll probably call the NHS hotline. The crackling chest is a classic pneumonia symptom. May want to call NHS sooner than later
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Feb 24, 2020 20:52
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Bardeh posted:I have a really high fever, had a splitting headache and general feeling of...something being off on Saturday, which has now progressed to horrible wheezy cough and crackling chest. It's probably just a common or garden influenza which I'd normally not worry too much about, take some meds and rest up, but....I dunno. If it gets worse I'll probably call the NHS hotline. I had mostly the same for a couple of weeks but no fever. I'd still guess it's just the flu though. Keep an eye on it and if you feel it's getting real bad hit the doctor.
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Feb 24, 2020 20:53
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Bardeh posted:I have a really high fever, had a splitting headache and general feeling of...something being off on Saturday, which has now progressed to horrible wheezy cough and crackling chest. It's probably just a common or garden influenza which I'd normally not worry too much about, take some meds and rest up, but....I dunno. If it gets worse I'll probably call the NHS hotline. you're dead and this post was simply the rictus jerks of your cooling body, I'm sorry
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poverty goat posted:How are we not in a pandemic if there are major outbreaks on multiple continents? Isn't that the definition of a pandemic? He just gave the definition of a pandemic. quote:sustained community-scale outbreaks in 2 countries
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Nurge posted:talking 0.02% of the population at worst. If your medical system can't handle that you're hosed either way and this is a necessary wakeup call. dude this is ridiculously not true. you just don't get it, you're not even reading what i'm writing so i won't bother try to explain this again
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UnknownTarget posted:He just gave the definition of a pandemic.  poverty goat posted:How are we not in a pandemic if there are major outbreaks on multiple continents? Isn't that the definition of a pandemic? 
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Play posted:okay, now it's "virus-laden gaseous plumes" I don't love how they're changing it up on us I climbed to the attic one more time. Wilder was up there with Heinrich, whose fast glance in my direction contained a certain practiced accusation. “They’re not calling it the feathery plume anymore,” he said, not meeting my eyes, as if to spare himself the pain of my embarrassment. “I already knew that.” “They’re calling it the black billowing cloud.” “Good.” “Why is that good?” “It means they’re looking the thing more or less squarely in the eye. They’re on top of the situation.” With an air of weary decisiveness, I opened the window, took the binoculars and climbed onto the ledge. I was wearing a heavy sweater and felt comfortable enough in the cold air but made certain to keep my weight tipped against the building, with my son’s outstretched hand clutching my belt. I sensed his support for my little mission, even his hopeful conviction that I might be able to add the balanced weight of a mature and considered judgment to his pure observations. This is a parent’s task, after all. I put the glasses to my face and peered through the gathering dark. Beneath the cloud of vaporized chemicals, the scene was one of urgency and operatic chaos. Floodlights swept across the switching yard. Army helicopters hovered at various points, shining additional lights down on the scene. Colored lights from police cruisers crisscrossed these wider beams. The tank car sat solidly on tracks, fumes rising from what appeared to be a hole in one end. The coupling device from a second car had apparently pierced the tank car. Fire engines were deployed at a distance, ambulances and police vans at a greater distance. I could hear sirens, voices calling through bullhorns, a layer of radio static causing small warps in the frosty air. Men raced from one vehicle to another, unpacked equipment, carried empty stretchers. Other men in bright yellow Mylex suits and respirator masks moved slowly through the luminous haze, carrying death-measuring instruments. Snow-blowers sprayed a pink substance toward the tank car and the surrounding landscape. This thick mist arched through the air like some grand confection at a concert of patriotic music. The snow-blowers were the type used on airport runways, the police vans were the type to transport riot casualties. Smoke drifted from red beams of light into darkness and then into the breadth of scenic white floods. The men in Mylex suits moved with a lunar caution. Each step was the exercise of some anxiety not provided for by instinct. Fire and explosion were not the inherent dangers here. This death would penetrate, seep into the genes, show itself in bodies not yet born. They moved as if across a swale of moon dust, bulky and wobbling, trapped in the idea of the nature of time. I crawled back inside with some difficulty. “What do you think?” he said. “It’s still hanging there. Looks rooted to the spot.” “So you’re saying you don’t think it’ll come this way.” “I can tell by your voice that you know something I don’t know.” “Do you think it’ll come this way or not?” “You want me to say it won’t come this way in a million years. Then you’ll attack with your little fistful of data. Come on, tell me what they said on the radio while I was out there.” “It doesn’t cause nausea, vomiting, shortness of breath, like they said before.” “What does it cause?” “Heart palpitations and a sense of déjà vu.” “Déjà vu?” “It affects the false part of the human memory or whatever. That’s not all. They’re not calling it the black billowing cloud anymore.” “What are they calling it?” He looked at me carefully. “The airborne toxic event.”
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Mithaldu posted:Even under the old 6 phase system, Pandemic is defined as starting when you have: Both Korean and Japan fit that bill, also the Republic of Diamond Princess.
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stephenthinkpad posted:Both Korean and Japan fit that bill, also the Republic of Diamond Princess. how so?
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Bardeh posted:I have a really high fever, had a splitting headache and general feeling of...something being off on Saturday, which has now progressed to horrible wheezy cough and crackling chest. It's probably just a common or garden influenza which I'd normally not worry too much about, take some meds and rest up, but....I dunno. If it gets worse I'll probably call the NHS hotline. I can't wait until this virus starts spreading the US because we have no equivalent of an NHS so you know tons of people are going to keep going to work and spreading it and won't see a doctor until it's way too late because of how expensive it is.
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Haramstufe Rot posted:Okay let me clarify. This was neat. Before we all get buried in mass graves, please consider posting the futures extra credit.
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Feb 24, 2020 22:42
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Suspected case in Vancouver is now confirmed. Said they would send out personal emails to all those who they know were on shift when the infected person came in. No emails in my Inbox yet, but I do have a serious hankerin' for some tacos. Was that one of the symptoms?
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Feb 24, 2020 22:46
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:No emails in my Inbox yet, but I do have a serious hankerin' for some tacos. Was that one of the symptoms? Only if those tacos must come from Mexico, and you're not really sure why you suddenly feel compelled to travel there to get one.
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Books On Tape posted:We've got 45 days of food / water / supplies prepared for power outage just in case. Considering upping that to 60 days this week. If you really expect power to be out for 60 days straight then you may want to do more than just buy supplies, like that's solidly "I should invest in off-grid generation" territory UnknownTarget posted:The missus and I are going to be purchasing some canned goods and first aid kits this Friday. Appreciate any suggestions on what meds to stock up on. Realtalk, any prepping should be based on the assumption that you're catching covid-19 and need to self-isolate at home for a few weeks. You're just picking up essentials, not a year's supply of adult gummy vitamins or whatever First, get stuff that you use generally. If you take antihistamines and don't have a bunch left, consider getting some of those. Make sure you're not low on stuff. EVeryone should have a first aid kit anyway, so consider getting one of those. This isn't COVID-19 specific but having one around the house is good. If you don't want to just buy a first aid kit then you could follow the Red Cross guide to making one. https://www.redcross.org/get-help/how-to-prepare-for-emergencies/anatomy-of-a-first-aid-kit.html Then get stuff you'd want for a really bad cold/flu (aside from tamiflu): nyquil, throat drops, fistfuls of ibuprofen, whatever you tend to use for treating those symptoms. Because odds are good that you're just dealing with very poo poo cold/flu symptoms, and you don't want to be unable to sleep all week because you don't have treatment options. Nurge posted:We don't see mass graves from yearly flu and this is a little bit more lethal than that. There's always the chance some places have their healthcare systems overwhelmed, but not most regions. You've said this before, but it seems like literally every source disagrees with that notion and that's why so many health professionals are worried. Seasonal flu has a case fatality rate < 0.01% worldwide, whereas based on the numbers we have so far covid-19 has a case fatality rate between 0.1% to 5.3%. That's more than an order of magnitude worse in the most optimistic case. QuarkJets fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Feb 24, 2020 |
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I coughed up a gross green loogie and the crackling has stopped, so I probably just have a boring old minor chest infection. Charliegrs posted:I can't wait until this virus starts spreading the US because we have no equivalent of an NHS so you know tons of people are going to keep going to work and spreading it and won't see a doctor until it's way too late because of how expensive it is. It's comforting to know it's there, even if it is under massive strain and would be unable to deal with any sort of major spread of this disease. That's why, if you're gonna get it, better to get it early IMO while there are still beds and medical staff to treat you if you get a severe case.
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FYI if the CFR is really 2% - which is possible and cannot be handwaved away based on the current data unless you're a moron - then it's actually pretty bad news. 2% CFR vs 0.2% is a much bigger difference than 1.8% might indicate, because that's just for one person. Speaking for myself as the head of a family of 5, if any one of us died it would be a horrific disaster for me on a personal level. So I have to consider the odds of dodging 5 bullets, not 1. At seasonal flu 0.2% CFR, there's over a 99% chance we'll all make it. At a COVID CFR of 2%, there's a 9.6% chance of an unthinkable disaster for me personally. I'm not going to roll the dice on that, I'm going to buy some basic supplies and wait to see what kind of quarantine/precautions are necessary. The CFR is obviously much higher for the elderly, but this reduction in CFR could be partially/totally offset by the incredibly lovely US medical system being swamped by the very high transmission rate. We just don't have enough hard data to make any definitive statements, but acting like this is no worse than the flu is Real Dumb.
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Nalley's chili
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:Suspected case in Vancouver is now confirmed. Said they would send out personal emails to all those who they know were on shift when the infected person came in.
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Feb 24, 2020 23:21
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We should all pretend this is no worse than the flu so we can finally move forward.
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FistEnergy posted:FYI if the CFR is really 2% - which is possible and cannot be handwaved away based on the current data unless you're a moron - then it's actually pretty bad news. Wuhan is not known for having good healthcare, you shouldn't make any assumptions about how the CFR will change based on assumptions about the relative quality of healthcare infrastructure. And besides, people in Wuhan who wound up needing an ICU were 50% likely to die (heavily skewed toward the old); most people didn't need that level of care so healthcare infrastructure didn't even matter for the most part. So you should really be using the age-appropriate CFRs instead of the average one, your odds aren't as bad as your math suggests. But you're correct that acting like this is no worse than flu is Real Dumb
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FistEnergy posted:At seasonal flu 0.2% CFR, there's over a 99% chance we'll all make it. At a COVID CFR of 2%, there's a 9.6% chance of an unthinkable disaster for me personally. I'm not going to roll the dice on that, I'm going to buy some basic supplies and wait to see what kind of quarantine/precautions are necessary. A coronavirus outbreak where I live would basically be unavoidable and it could gently caress the family up pretty bad.
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Shaocaholica posted:We should all pretend this is no worse than the flu so we can finally move forward. people fail to realize that if you look the virus in the eye and make yourself big, it will run away almost every time. remember, the virus is just as scared of you as you are of it!!
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QuarkJets posted:Wuhan is not known for having good healthcare, you shouldn't make any assumptions about how the CFR will change based on assumptions about the relative quality of healthcare infrastructure. And besides, people in Wuhan who wound up needing an ICU were 50% likely to die (heavily skewed toward the old); most people didn't need that level of care so healthcare infrastructure didn't even matter for the most part. here's the deal. 10,000 people in serious condition in any locality will completely and comprehensively overwhelm any health system anywhere.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:here's the deal. 10,000 people in serious condition in any locality will completely and comprehensively overwhelm any health system anywhere. Hospitals have to divert patients as it is during normal business, one near me today is diverting due to beds being full. The issue will be exactly this, where people simply cant get beds or treatment on a vent. Private healthcare means the system is optimized to avoid over-capacity in the US so that more profit can be generated. It's going to suck when it starts spreading fast.
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So turns out the test for coronavirus is around $3270. Source: https://www.businessinsider.com.au/miami-man-doesnt-have-coronavirus-but-could-now-owe-thousands-2020-2
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QuarkJets posted:And besides, people in Wuhan who wound up needing an ICU were 50% likely to die (heavily skewed toward the old); most people didn't need that level of care so healthcare infrastructure didn't even matter for the most part.
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numberoneposter posted:STOP PLATE TECTONICS!!!! Calm down guy, I'm already on it.
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Play posted:*stock photo of a smiling, ethnically diverse family* Scavenged together from the remnants of a dozen ethnically diverse families  QuarkJets posted:EVeryone should have a first aid kit anyway, so consider getting one of those. This isn't COVID-19 specific but having one around the house is good. If you don't want to just buy a first aid kit then you could follow the Red Cross guide to making one. Where do you lonely, lovelorn goons keep your first aid kit? For the longest time I had a GM Kraftwagen trauma kit sat in a kitchen cupboard about 30cm off the floor so I could could crawl my way down to it if I somehow managed to break a leg falling partway down the stairs. E: I did actually manage to step on some broken glass and had to hobble over to it for a bandage at one point. Bending down while bleeding on the floor, not recommended. RockyB fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Feb 25, 2020 |
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