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“ The massive success of Star Trek: Discovery's second season launch exceeded our expectations in both driving subscriber growth and generating a phenomenal response from Star Trek fans,” CBS All Access executive vice president Julie McNamara said. Also: https://screenrant.com/star-trek-discovery-ratings-most-popular-streaming-show/ zoux fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Feb 25, 2020 |
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marktheando posted:I mean I won't say the second thing is impossible since people are often stupid, but they would have to be really really stupid to respond to an unsuccessful show by spending five times as much money on other similar shows. Not necessarily. They own the Star Trek brand, which is what's valuable. That and creating content to justify their platform's existence. If it puts you at ease I think Discovery was probably a big success for them, but as Fishopolis elaborated on, streaming doesn't work the same way as broadcast television at all. zoux posted:“ The massive success of Star Trek: Discovery's second season launch exceeded our expectations in both driving subscriber growth and generating a phenomenal response from Star Trek fans,” CBS All Access executive vice president Julie McNamara said. I mean it's precious that you think this means anything coming from a company promoting its flagship show on a fledging platform, but I would take it with a very large grain of salt. And again, I think Discovery was likely a big success, for whatever that's worth. Lizard Combatant fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Feb 25, 2020 |
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Feb 25, 2020 17:58
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zoux posted:“The massive success of Star Trek: Discovery's second season launch exceeded our expectations in both driving subscriber growth and generating a phenomenal response from Star Trek fans,” CBS All Access executive vice president Julie McNamara said. This sounds like mostly empty marketing speak. I'm not trying to say it was a failure, I'm just curious if we can actually judge one way or the other.
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Feb 25, 2020 18:00
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kidkissinger posted:This sounds like mostly empty marketing speak. I'm not trying to say it was a failure, I'm just curious if we can actually judge one way or the other. Find an article anywhere that says it's performing poorly.
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Feb 25, 2020 18:02
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zoux posted:Find an article anywhere that says it's performing poorly. Released by who?
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Feb 25, 2020 18:03
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kidkissinger posted:do we have concrete numbers for viewership for either show? I'm genuinely curious. I don't think CBS released viewer numbers for all access shows, so nothing in terms of American audiences. It does air on TV in Canada so you could probably find ratings numbers for that, but it also seems to stream online here on Crave, and a lot of people here pirate so the numbers will be skewed. All we know for sure is that the executives are happy enough with the performance of disco to keep going, and confident enough in Picard that it had a second season before even airing. In terms of if people like it: some people love them, some people hate them, some people don't care. They have metacritic ratings of above 50, and beyond that, who cares. What other people like or do not like should have no effect on how much you like something, otherwise you'll drive yourself crazy wondering why everyone else doesn't see it the same way.
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Feb 25, 2020 18:04
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Lizard Combatant posted:Released by who? Anyone at all
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Feb 25, 2020 18:05
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piratepilates posted:What other people like or do not like should have no effect on how much you like something, otherwise you'll drive yourself crazy wondering why everyone else doesn't see it the same way.
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Feb 25, 2020 18:05
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zoux posted:Anyone at all And where would they be sourcing that information?
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piratepilates posted:I don't think CBS released viewer numbers for all access shows, so nothing in terms of American audiences. The only reason I brought up popularity in the first place was because one guy said that the show was so self evidently bad that they must be trying to trick people into staying around: it's absolutely relevant in that case.
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Feb 25, 2020 18:07
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zoux posted:Find an article anywhere that says it's performing poorly. This would be the perfect place to post a goatse link, but alas
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Feb 25, 2020 18:08
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zoux posted:Find an article anywhere that says it's performing poorly. You really are weirdly defensive about this show.
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Feb 25, 2020 18:11
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Sorry about lots of people liking the show you hate I get it though, if these shows are popular, then CBS will take it as a sign that this is the direction future shows will take. Well, I assure you, this is in fact the case. All future Trek series will be like Picard and Disco, and they are making a whole lot of them (probably so people don’t know what a ratings disaster Disco was, the scoundrels) zoux fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Feb 25, 2020 |
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Feb 25, 2020 18:14
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zoux posted:Sorry about lots of people liking the show you hate Glad to see you can recognize that you are having a problem, that is the first step towards a solution.
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Feb 25, 2020 18:19
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zoux posted:The only reason I brought up popularity in the first place was because one guy said that the show was so self evidently bad that they must be trying to trick people into staying around: it's absolutely relevant in that case. I think we're on the same wavelength, the disco experiment has proven promising enough that they seem to be making more of it instead of less. I'm not sure who is arguing with who anymore.
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Feb 25, 2020 18:20
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piratepilates posted:I think we're on the same wavelength, the disco experiment has proven promising enough that they seem to be making more of it instead of less. Yep we're exactly in agreement, and I understand why that would be troubling for people who don't like the modern direction of the franchise. People pretending that CBS is covering up a failing series by ordering more serieses is silly, however.
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Feb 25, 2020 18:24
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zoux posted:Sorry about lots of people liking the show you hate Now I'll never get the Voyager 2.0 that they were never going to make. 
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Feb 25, 2020 18:26
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zoux posted:Yep we're exactly in agreement, and I understand why that would be troubling for people who don't like the modern direction of the franchise. People pretending that CBS is covering up a failing series by ordering more serieses is silly, however. "The focus of ratings companies has no relevance for us. Subscriber growth, not advertising, drives our revenues." That's from the former Netflix CEO way back in 2016. Ignore the replies that are just antagonising you for a moment and consider what folks are saying while pretending they're not talking about Discovery - which was probably a big success. Growing the brand of Star Trek and generating content is more important than the performance of any one show. These are not mutually exclusive positions. piratepilates posted:I'm not sure who is arguing with who anymore. One for the ages then.
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Feb 25, 2020 18:33
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Star Trek: Discovery S05E06 "The Wolf Crieth Unto the Picard Dies" Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael Michael
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Feb 25, 2020 18:35
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Brawnfire posted:Star Trek: Discovery S05E06 "The Wolf Crieth Unto the Picard Dies" Huh, the writing has definitely improved
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Feb 25, 2020 18:37
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Peachfart posted:Huh, the writing has definitely improved Definitely more of an ensemble feel.
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Feb 25, 2020 18:38
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Brawnfire posted:Star Trek: Discovery S05E06 "The Wolf Crieth Unto the Picard Dies" I’m just imagining each “Michael” being said by a different character in quick succession, and when they run out of Disco cast, they just start cutting to Worf, Kira, Chakotay, Morn...
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Feb 25, 2020 18:40
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GOB Bluth: "Michael"
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Feb 25, 2020 18:48
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CPColin posted:GOB Bluth: "Michael" Thread Love Michael
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Feb 25, 2020 18:50
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Lizard Combatant posted:"The focus of ratings companies has no relevance for us. Subscriber growth, not advertising, drives our revenues." I don't disagree? The CBS exec said it drove sub growth, so either she's lying or the shows are driving sub growth.
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Feb 25, 2020 18:56
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zoux posted:I don't disagree? The CBS exec said it drove sub growth, so either she's lying or the shows are driving sub growth. I'm pretty sure there are a ton of CBS all access subs for their other exciting offerings like
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Feb 25, 2020 18:59
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if the subs were growing from 0 to 1 that would be "driving sub growth" but it wouldn't necessarily be accurate to call it "popular"
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Feb 25, 2020 19:00
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Dietrich posted:I'm pretty sure there are a ton of CBS all access subs for their other exciting offerings like Evil is good. The show not the concept. cargohills posted:if the subs were growing from 0 to 1 that would be "driving sub growth" but it wouldn't necessarily be accurate to call it "popular" *gets one new sub*  Probably what happened
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Feb 25, 2020 19:02
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that means that it's popular enough to justify the spend, but "popular enough to justify the continuing expense" can theoretically cover anything from "just about acceptable" to "vastly exceeding expectations", which tells you next to nothing.
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Feb 25, 2020 19:08
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okay but at the end of the day can you guys imagine actually being in space like, wow
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Feb 25, 2020 19:09
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Brawnfire posted:okay but at the end of the day seems pretty boring tbh, there's not much out there's, it's pretty empty
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Feb 25, 2020 19:10
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it's not like it's called "vast quantities of stuff"
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Feb 25, 2020 19:14
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Literally everything is in space
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Feb 25, 2020 19:14
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zoux posted:Literally everything is in space I guess, but so is all the nothing, and when you think about it, proportionally there's far more nothing than something
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Feb 25, 2020 19:15
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piratepilates posted:I guess, but so is all the nothing, and when you think about it, proportionally there's far more nothing than something this is true of my life as well not really making a point with that just observing
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Feb 25, 2020 19:19
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zoux posted:I don't disagree? The CBS exec said it drove sub growth, so either she's lying or the shows are driving sub growth. It's typical corporate speak that means nothing one way or the other. But is it driving sub growth in comparison to making no show at all? Of course it is, who could possibly think otherwise?! All the creation of new shows reliably indicates is that the brand itself is popular enough to attract viewers. That is it. CBS all access is a fledgling platform with gently caress all else in terms of brand recognition. Without new content, it grinds to a halt. That is the extent of what anyone is saying with regards to the commissioning of new shows not being related to the performance or underperformance of Discovery. Now this has all strayed away from the initial point that popularity/unpopularity is irrelevant when discussing the merits of show in one's personal opinion. Was someone wrong to say it was a failure? In all likelihood, yes. Does it matter? No. We're only talking about this because you kept posting memes and screen caps of reviews and then argued when folks said it's not a reliable indication of success whilst still agreeing that probably was. So chill dude. A lot of people loving love it. Brawnfire posted:okay but at the end of the day Right now the cold vacuum is looking mighty appealing.
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Feb 25, 2020 19:19
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Statistically you’re just a Boltzmann brain and the universe never existed
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piratepilates posted:I guess, but so is all the nothing, and when you think about it, proportionally there's far more nothing than something Picard: we are everything, yet we are also nothing *picard, crew, and ship phases out of reality* *Created by Gene Roddenberry* *star trek never returns to tv or film again*
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I am toward the end of Star Trek: Discovery's first season, and this show would be so much better without Ash Tyler, who is the worst character. All his scenes are boring, predictable, and gross for the sake of shock imagery. Star Trek should be amenable toward viewing with family, whereas this Trek has plenty of scenes where someone could walk past and you'd have to be like "I swear it's not like this all the time" or else they'd think you like to watch Klingon torture porn. Stametts is great, and Mirror Stamett's initial prank on his counterpart made me laugh out loud. Burnham, Tilly, and (Mirror) Lorca are all right, though it probably would have been better to have a season with Georgiou beforehand, for actual Star Trek instead of wartime corrupted-by-mirror-Lorca Star Trek. Lorca can be a good character while making the show worse, in a context where everyone is afraid the show has been taken over by millionaires who will give the show a neoliberal or even neoconservative voice.
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We're talking about this because you guys are doing some sort of epistemological stoner "what can we really know about anything man" thing without offering a shred of counter evidence. But if you want to say that streaming show viewership numbers are opaque, yes they are, on purpsoe, and these arguments apply to every streaming show ever made. Is the Mandalorian popular? Well, Disney says so, but they would wouldn't they. Stranger Things? Who can say?
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