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Suspect Bucket posted:Long term residents of Antarctica are developing their own accent. https://youtu.be/uHKGErnN9W8 Interesting, but I could have done without all the mouth close-ups.
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In 1916 captain Robert C. Campbell wrote a letter to the german emperor asking for permission to leave the pow camp he was in Germany to visit his dying mother. The emperor allowed this under one condition, he had to return after the visit. Campbell then went to Britain, said his goodbyes to his mother and returned to the pow camp. Then nine months after he tried to escape. This was because he felt he was honor bound to keep his word and as an officer he was honor bound to try and escape from the enemy.
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Do you have a source for that? Only thing I can find is the daily mail e: v thanks! Sulla Faex has a new favorite as of 19:12 on Feb 24, 2020 |
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Sulla Faex posted:Do you have a source for that? Only thing I can find is the daily mail https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-23957605
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I wonder if a new hybrid of UK and US English is developing as people on either side adopt words from the other.
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Shifty Nipples posted:I wonder if a new hybrid of UK and US English is developing as people on either side adopt words from the other. Britain and the US have mostly lost control over the language since it became the lingua franca of "western civilization" and science. A hybrid is already used by the vast majority of non native speakers that still use the language on a daily basis.
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Shifty Nipples posted:I wonder if a new hybrid of UK and US English is developing as people on either side adopt words from the other. nah yeah nah
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I'd be interested in a study to see if you can identify patterns in text unique to different platforms, and if you can, whether or not the same user will post the same way across sites, how long it persists, and whether or not it affects their spoken language. Optimistically I'd end up with a device capable of listening to someone talk for 20 minutes and then tell me how long it's been since they visited Reddit or something I guess. Still, it'd be neat. Is anyone doing that research?
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:
From my understanding, québécois french is closer to old timey french cuz it was sorta isolated from the classic frenglais which had of course "evolved" over time even though they deny it.. Source: married to a québécois.
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Plastik posted:I'd be interested in a study to see if you can identify patterns in text unique to different platforms, and if you can, whether or not the same user will post the same way across sites, how long it persists, and whether or not it affects their spoken language. This isn't research, but my typed "voice" is for sure different from my spoken voice. The only bleed-over between the two I can think of is that I sometimes say "y'all" in real life. I did not grow up saying "y'all" and never speak with anyone that uses the term. It is grammatically convenient, and out of context it's just a fun mouth sound to make. I don't do it on purpose, it has just kind of slipped into my vocabulary naturally.
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Feb 25, 2020 06:23
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Saying "hey yall" is easier than "hello everyone"
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Playing Discworld Mud as an American and trying to be cool as a kid has definitely coloured my language.
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Plastik posted:I'd be interested in a study to see if you can identify patterns in text unique to different platforms, and if you can, whether or not the same user will post the same way across sites, how long it persists, and whether or not it affects their spoken language. The scary thing is that you could probably do this the other way around. If your facebook "connect people's posting from across the web into one comprehensive profile for each person" algorithm gives a decent percentage that some user on platform A is the same person as some user on platform B, you can probably throw their typing style from both platforms into a neural network-type algorithm to figure out quite confidently if they're indeed the same person.
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WITCHCRAFT posted:This isn't research, but my typed "voice" is for sure different from my spoken voice. The only bleed-over between the two I can think of is that I sometimes say "y'all" in real life. I did not grow up saying "y'all" and never speak with anyone that uses the term.
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Being northern British with friends from Liverpool, I’d lean more to ‘youse’.
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Nessus posted:Y'all neatly and organically fits the "second person plural" pronoun that English was a little vague on, so it makes sense to me that it's spreading, especially since I think it has lost any disfavor it might have had for being southern talk. Instead now you get terminally woke people saying it's cultural appropriation of black people for some reason.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Instead now you get terminally woke people saying it's cultural appropriation of black people for some reason. They do that with a lot of Southern-isms, because AAE and Southern American English have heavily influenced each other, and it's hard to tell sometimes where a particular dialectal feature originated. That and the people doing it are....extremely online slacktivists.
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Feb 25, 2020 12:41
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There are two sources of Southern culture: 1. Appropriated from black people 2. Appropriation of black people
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Oh wait also trucks
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what about bass fishing television programs
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Pastry of the Year posted:what about bass fishing television programs That seems more like a Wisconsin/Minnesota thing to me.
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fun fact, kind of: it's amusing to me how the most yee-haw, confederate-flag-wavin' klan-infested parts of the south these days are the ones that were most opposed to the original confederacy. Nowadays they're Trump country and political centres and the plantation land of old are the most progressive bits of the south (largely thanks to the black citizens of those areas, but the trend holds for white people too.) And then there's the midwesterners and upstate new yorkers who fly confederate flags. Dunno what's up with them.
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Nucken Futz posted:From my understanding, québécois french is closer to old timey french cuz it was sorta isolated from the classic frenglais which had of course "evolved" over time even though they deny it.. I used to work with a really nice guy from Quebec. Obviously, he spoke french, and also english to a certain extent, but definitely not fluently. Anyway, he was working as a french language games tester, so it was playing through stuff in french and logging any issues with the translation. His bugs kept getting sent back by the translators as technically correct but only in extremely old-fashioned french, not modern french from France. So yeah, my understanding is that québécois french retains both vocabulary and grammatical rules that haven't been common use in french from France in a long time. It's pretty cool.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:fun fact, kind of: it's amusing to me how the most yee-haw, confederate-flag-wavin' klan-infested parts of the south these days are the ones that were most opposed to the original confederacy. Nowadays they're Trump country and political centres and the plantation land of old are the most progressive bits of the south (largely thanks to the black citizens of those areas, but the trend holds for white people too.) the answer is always racism Pookah posted:I used to work with a really nice guy from Quebec. Obviously, he spoke french, and also english to a certain extent, but definitely not fluently. Anyway, he was working as a french language games tester, so it was playing through stuff in french and logging any issues with the translation. His bugs kept getting sent back by the translators as technically correct but only in extremely old-fashioned french, not modern french from France. So yeah, my understanding is that québécois french retains both vocabulary and grammatical rules that haven't been common use in french from France in a long time. It's pretty cool. Colonial legacies get weird like that. India has almost its own dialect of English since they obviously had to learn it during colonial times, and apparently they actually take some pride in having a more old-fashioned way of speaking it. I'm not sure if there's equivalent differences to say, central and south american versions of Spanish and Portuguese, but it wouldn't surprise me.
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Pastry of the Year posted:what about bass fishing television programs Please dont make fun of Bill Dance
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Ghost Leviathan posted:the answer is always racism I met an indian guy in New Orleans whose accent might be the best I've ever heard. He sounded like, well imagine a bombastic mustachio'd man in a pith helmet describing the latest land he's "discovered," that sort of accent.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:fun fact, kind of: it's amusing to me how the most yee-haw, confederate-flag-wavin' klan-infested parts of the south these days are the ones that were most opposed to the original confederacy. Nowadays they're Trump country and political centres and the plantation land of old are the most progressive bits of the south (largely thanks to the black citizens of those areas, but the trend holds for white people too.) yeah it sure is weird how the poor people who got dumpstered by the federal government hate the government as opposed to the slave owners who got off easy and were allowed to keep all their land and money
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Peanut President posted:yeah it sure is weird how the poor people who got dumpstered by the federal government hate the government as opposed to the slave owners who got off easy and were allowed to keep all their land and money And in many cases, their slaves.
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Peanut President posted:yeah it sure is weird how the poor people who got dumpstered by the federal government hate the government as opposed to the slave owners who got off easy and were allowed to keep all their land and money I'm gonna contest your claim that the black belt and the residents of the south's large coastal cities are mainly the descendants of rich slave owners, and also that the rural inner south mainly votes for fascists because of economic anxiety
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I'm gonna contest your claim that the black belt and the residents of the south's large coastal cities are mainly the descendants of rich slave owners, and also that the rural inner south mainly votes for fascists because of economic anxiety uhh most of the rich white (non yankee) liberals in the south's large cities are former slave owners my dude, sorry to ruin your classist argument?
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Colonial legacies get weird like that. India has almost its own dialect of English since they obviously had to learn it during colonial times, and apparently they actually take some pride in having a more old-fashioned way of speaking it. According to the fiancè, (a recent immigrant from South India) he's speaking proper English, Americans are ruining the language and the English have forgotten how to speak properly.
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Pookah posted:I used to work with a really nice guy from Quebec. Obviously, he spoke french, and also english to a certain extent, but definitely not fluently. Anyway, he was working as a french language games tester, so it was playing through stuff in french and logging any issues with the translation. His bugs kept getting sent back by the translators as technically correct but only in extremely old-fashioned french, not modern french from France. So yeah, my understanding is that québécois french retains both vocabulary and grammatical rules that haven't been common use in french from France in a long time. It's pretty cool. I don't recall which thread it was, but someone was saying that the Norwegian and Danish languages have very similar vocabulary but that their pronunciations diverged in the 19th century. As a consequence, to a Norwegian speaker, modern Danish rap sounds like Charles Dickens rapping to English speakers.
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canyoneer posted:I don't recall which thread it was, but someone was saying that the Norwegian and Danish languages have very similar vocabulary but that their pronunciations diverged in the 19th century. quote:As a consequence, to a Norwegian speaker, modern Danish rap sounds like Charles Dickens rapping to English speakers.
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Alhazred posted:Or more accurate: Norway seceded from Denmark and people no longer had a reason to use danish pronunciations. It was also not that widespread, it was mostly the norwegian elite who used danish pronunciations. One percent of norwegians spoke with a mix of danish and norwegian, 99 percent spoke with a norwegian dialect. Swamp German Fiiiiiiight!
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VanSandman posted:Swamp German Fiiiiiiight! Smdh
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Krankenstyle posted:Smdh shaking my Danish head
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for future reference, swamp germans are the dutch. norwegians are mountain apes. danes are potato something, i forgot
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Krankenstyle posted:for future reference, swamp germans are the dutch. norwegians are mountain apes. I thought everyone north were Frost Germans
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