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I just had a run with Poseidon cast + dual shot + second wave + sea storm and it was the fastest I've ever cleared rooms but I still died at the end because the sustained damage just wasn't there 
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So, the Artemis Boon which gives your cast a second shot at lower damage synergises incredibly with Demeter's crystal-beam casts. Holy loving poo poo, just drop all of those and anything in the firing line dissolves. Got my first Rail clear with them plus triple bomb hammer.
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Feb 25, 2020 16:13
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TIL: Demeter's "casting does X damage and chill" applies per bloodstone with hera bow, Hera bow is very vulnerable to chaos greed (not being able to attack is the same as not being able to cast and you probably haven't spent any resources on your special). I've used the bow special as a bad shotgun, but that was the first game where the optimal decision was to stand in the middle of a group of enemies and try to miss all of them (to get 3x90 damage in an area from Demeter boon and be able to quickly recover bloodstones to do it again).
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Feb 26, 2020 03:32
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Every time I think "maybe I should shelve this game until the next major update" I think of another boon pairing I want to try on another weapon. And because I'm a completionist, I always need to run on the next higher heat level, so I'm going to be trying the new unreleased weapons on super high heat.... I'm way too into infinitely replayable roguelites.
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Feb 26, 2020 05:29
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After this very frustrating death to Asterius on the last Elysium floor (Spread Shot is good until you literally can't get near the thing you're trying to kill) I did a Chaos Shield run and got a 15:50, which is my best time so yay.
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Feb 26, 2020 09:59
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Why can't you get next to Asterius? Probably ~1/3rd of the fight is him standing still and doing nothing
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Feb 26, 2020 10:01
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QuarkJets posted:Why can't you get next to Asterius? Probably ~1/3rd of the fight is him standing still and doing nothing Extreme Measures Asterius is kind of a fucker. I'm not super used to that fight either and I lost a death defiance to Hydra so it kinda snowballed.
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Feb 26, 2020 10:04
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Dias posted:Extreme Measures Asterius is kind of a fucker. I'm not super used to that fight either and I lost a death defiance to Hydra so it kinda snowballed. Yeah you gotta be more patient with Asterius in Extreme Measures mode but he still spends quite a lot of time standing around. You'll figure out his timings and then it'll be a piece of cake
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Feb 26, 2020 11:13
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QuarkJets posted:The coolest thing is shattering Hades when he hits 10% health I just did a run for the first time in ages, maybe my second or third since the big patch, and won for the first time with the sword. I had that and the festive bombs along with them chilling and giving damage reduction. It was so good
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Feb 26, 2020 12:17
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What are some cool weapon/boon combos that I'm missing out on? My most successful ones are: Hera Aspect Bow: Some kind of massive bursty cast, Athena or Aphrodite Poseidon Aspect Sword: Pure caster, something like Athena or Artemis, especially as Artemis crits/exit wounds can be pretty sick. Achilles Aspect Spear: Shotgun build with a powerful cast like Aphrodite Zeus Aspect Shield: I've only really had success with the Lightning Proc on the shield throw, other Boons don't seem that useful and the attack always feels kinda rubbish Adamant Rail: Special buffs, all day every day. I keep trying some high-speed proc effects (Lightning/Support Fire procs on Adamant Rail Attacks, True Shot/Support Fire on Hera bow) and they turn regular encounters into a hilarious reverse-bullet-hell, but seem to do diddly-poo poo to the bosses. Any advice on how to mix it up a bit?
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Feb 26, 2020 12:52
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Artemis is good on basically everything Chaos shield is good with basically any Special buff, especially stuff like Ares or Dionysus since you'll get a bunch of extra damage between shield throws I like hangover and doom on attack with Adamant Rail since you often want to be only shooting in short bursts anyway, while dashing to avoid attacks. So you're going to get 1-2 procs of doom or maybe a few stacks of hangover at a time, it adds up to a lot of extra damage. with Adamant Rail you can also go full Aphrodite and get her X% chance to charm on weak effects, so you get a rapid-fire charm cannon that trivializes boss encounters Occasionally I also like going full Ares + Artemis since that's a hilarious duo boon combo if you take the blade rift cast If you haven't gotten Ice Wine I highly recommend it, get Festive Fog from Dionysus and then basically any frost effect from Demeter and then try to get more buffs from each of them until you get offered the duo boon Likewise, the Poseidon + Zeus duo boon is nuts on any weapon if you go heavy on Poseidon
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Feb 26, 2020 13:09
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The shield is kinda paradoxical. It's the easiest, best-feeling weapon when you first start out, but IMO it has the least engaging hammer upgrades and alternate aspects.
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Feb 26, 2020 13:21
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No one else likes it but I still think Zeus shield with Zeus special is one of the strongest things in the game. It does more damage than the Ares Artemis duo (unless you have the Ares legendary or bonus number of casts) and can be used anytime you want. Plus you can really abuse how it travels once you get used to it. Agree that all the hammer buffs for it are useless. But that means you can just get more boons instead!
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Feb 26, 2020 14:53
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My husband and I have been playing Hades recently, and he's starting to get a little frustrated with the higher levels. He thinks that the higher level enemies are real HP sponges and it takes him forever to kill anything. (I haven't beaten the second boss yet because I started later than him and I'm terrible at roguelikes) No one else seems to be complaining about this, so he think he's not upgrading right or doing something wrong. Does anyone have any general tips for us?
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Feb 26, 2020 16:16
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Zaphiel posted:My husband and I have been playing Hades recently, and he's starting to get a little frustrated with the higher levels. He thinks that the higher level enemies are real HP sponges and it takes him forever to kill anything. (I haven't beaten the second boss yet because I started later than him and I'm terrible at roguelikes) He's not wrong about them being HP sponges, particularly once you reach Elysium and everyone has armour. A few tips: - Get the Boiling Blood upgrade from the Mirror; it makes your attack do up to 50% more damage to enemies with your Cast stuck in them. - Make sure you get a Boon for your cast, because the basic one is almost useless once you're past Tartarus, and any of the specialised ones will increase your damage hugely. - Make sure you get a Boon which unlocks your Call, because otherwise that's an entire attack option you just don't have. - Broadly, upgrades and boons will affect the damage of one of three things: your attack, your special, or your cast. Try and focus on one or two of these, rather than an even spread. - Some gods are more about Damage than others; in particular, Artemis is very heavily focused around "just hurt more" upgrades. Dionysus' hangover is also extremely good at upping your DPS, especially on something which can rapidly stack it. On the other hand, Poseidon and Aphrodite do very little to directly increase your output.
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Feb 26, 2020 16:36
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Zaphiel posted:My husband and I have been playing Hades recently, and he's starting to get a little frustrated with the higher levels. He thinks that the higher level enemies are real HP sponges and it takes him forever to kill anything. (I haven't beaten the second boss yet because I started later than him and I'm terrible at roguelikes) If you just started then yes, most everything is going to be spongy at first until you start unlocking parts of the mirror. Shadow Presence, Boiling Blood, Infernal Soul and Privileged Status all help with damage and are important to get right away. Greater Reflex, Thick Skin, Chthonic Vitality and Death Defiance keep you going so you can live longer and gather more resources. Also remember to put in orders with the Contractor to add helpful rooms to future runs. Getting the upgrades first so you can have Infernal Troves, Fountain Chambers and Urns of Value for example should be the first things you unlock as the extra bonuses help you last longer and allow you to buy more upgrades from Charon during the run. When it comes to selecting room rewards, I typically go with the following: Double Boon > Hammer/Hermes Boon > Boon > Heart > Coin > Pom > Key/Darkness/Gem/Nectar However, this also depends on what you're trying to unlock. If you need lots of Darkness for example, do runs with weapons and heat levels where you've already beat bosses, and pick up Poseidon and Chaos boons that give you bonuses to rewards. You can easily amass thousands of Darkness quickly. Nectar is important as well, give everyone besides Hades a Nectar and they will give you a keepsake, which will give you a bonus while you wear it. Cerberus for example, gives you a keepsake that gives you a bonus to HP, which is great early on when you're learning the game.
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Feb 26, 2020 16:44
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Zaphiel posted:My husband and I have been playing Hades recently, and he's starting to get a little frustrated with the higher levels. He thinks that the higher level enemies are real HP sponges and it takes him forever to kill anything. (I haven't beaten the second boss yet because I started later than him and I'm terrible at roguelikes) The game gets easier overtime because of the mirror upgrades. Early on with crappy white boons you tend to be a bit outgunned in Elysium. Just focus on playing safe and upgrading your trinkets. Once you get privileged status from the mirror your dps potential skyrockets and it's much easier, but the game is beatable with just the max health and dash upgrades.
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Feb 26, 2020 16:53
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The Guan Yu spear is insanely strong (if I take the acorn, I can usually make it through the first three bosses untouched), but the health reduction keeps getting me killed in the satyr temple - any advice on surviving it? Satyrs are such dicks
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Feb 26, 2020 17:52
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fashionly snort posted:The Guan Yu spear is insanely strong (if I take the acorn, I can usually make it through the first three bosses untouched), but the health reduction keeps getting me killed in the satyr temple - any advice on surviving it? I've found that the best option there is to abuse the many blockers and spam charged spin tosses from safety. Slow, but gets the job done without poison eating through your tiny HP bar. In the few big open rooms, I don't have any good plan, I just dash around madly and hope I get lucky. Then I go on to get walloped by daddy because I failed to dodge a couple of his giant spins fast enough. Satyrs are indeed such dicks, though.
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Feb 26, 2020 18:05
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Time to kill goes way up between biomes unless you get amazing synergy. Armored spirits take extra time because you have to bait out their attacks and can’t stun lock them. It’s not a sign of a “bad” build, that’s just how the difficulty scaling works. Clearing Tartarus in 5 minutes is a lot easier than clearing Elysium in 9. Enemy HP goes from 30-200 in Tartarus to at least low thousands of HP for lots of stuff in Elysium, while with ordinary luck your damage won’t much more than double When you’re learning enemy patterns, Aphrodite and Demeter have good status effects for minimizing the punishment for misreads. Kuros posted:When it comes to selecting room rewards, I typically go with the following: Double Boon > Hammer/Hermes Boon > Boon > Heart > Coin > Pom > Key/Darkness/Gem/Nectar Always Choose Chaos
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Feb 26, 2020 18:11
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kaschei posted:Obols over Pom? Seems extremely situational. I would tend to prefer power now over maybe power later, but some times there’s really nothing you care to add numbers to. Also you’ll never have to choose between key/shadow/gems/nectar and any of the others except shop. And you leave out shops, which are a big strategic question. I’ll take a shop over any of the permanent currencies if I have 200 obols for a hammer. Occasionally I’ll get forced into taking an end-of-biome shop with no money but even then all I’m missing out on is obols from the monsters I’d have killed. Ah I forgot shops. I'll take shops if I have 300 coin or I really need health, otherwise I skip them. I'm playing on lower heats right now but I'd imagine my preferences will change once if playing with shop price increases with higher heat levels. Shops have a good chance to have a pom in them anyway, so I'll still get a pom here and there.
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Feb 26, 2020 18:30
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BobTheJanitor posted:I've found that the best option there is to abuse the many blockers and spam charged spin tosses from safety. Slow, but gets the job done without poison eating through your tiny HP bar. In the few big open rooms, I don't have any good plan, I just dash around madly and hope I get lucky. Then I go on to get walloped by daddy because I failed to dodge a couple of his giant spins fast enough. Does literally anyone like the poison mechanic? it just feels really bad
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Feb 26, 2020 18:43
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MMF Freeway posted:Does literally anyone like the poison mechanic? it just feels really bad NOPE.
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Feb 26, 2020 19:18
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Krazyface posted:The shield is kinda paradoxical. It's the easiest, best-feeling weapon when you first start out, but IMO it has the least engaging hammer upgrades and alternate aspects. Chaos Shield + Exploding Return is the easiest thing in the game to win with. I could probably do 32 heat Hades with starting life, any special buffing boon, Explosive Return, and literally nothing else, and I say this as someone who is on around 10 heat with every other weapon and just cranked out 1 32 heat shield run for the cheevo.
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Feb 26, 2020 19:56
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Does anyone take anything other than Refreshing Nectar from Eurydice? Feels like Asphodel is early enough that you'll always have three boons to use it on, especially since it can make it easier to get legendaries/duos. I can never justify taking anything else; maybe if you could choose which boons to upgrade immediately rather than it being random.
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Feb 26, 2020 20:20
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Kuros posted:Shops have a good chance to have a pom in them anyway, so I'll still get a pom here and there. My thinking is that (at least on default pricing) money rooms give you 100 obols, and poms in shops cost 100 obols, so the choice essentially becomes do I want a pom now or do I want the potential for one later? Unless you just don't want poms at all for some reason, but in that case I'd think your run is either on its last legs, because you have nothing worth leveling up, or you've lucked into an overpowered build, so you don't need to level anything up. Glare Seethe posted:Does anyone take anything other than Refreshing Nectar from Eurydice? Feels like Asphodel is early enough that you'll always have three boons to use it on, especially since it can make it easier to get legendaries/duos. I can never justify taking anything else; maybe if you could choose which boons to upgrade immediately rather than it being random. I'll usually take the +1 to 4 skills there. I haven't looked at the numbers well enough to be sure, but it seems like an increase in rarity and an increase in level are roughly the same power increase (at least when going from lv 1 to lv 2 in a skill). So all you're really getting is a higher cap when you upgrade rarity. And as rare as it is to get enough levels to soft cap a boon, that usually doesn't seem all that worth it. Although I never really considered that it would make duo skills more likely to show up. BobTheJanitor fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Feb 26, 2020 |
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Feb 26, 2020 20:23
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5 extra shields at rank 5 = 6 procs per return? Yeaaaaaa 
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Feb 26, 2020 20:26
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BobTheJanitor posted:My thinking is that (at least on default pricing) money rooms give you 100 obols, and poms in shops cost 100 obols, so the choice essentially becomes do I want a pom now or do I want the potential for one later? Unless you just don't want poms at all for some reason, but in that case I'd think your run is either on its last legs, because you have nothing worth leveling up, or you've lucked into an overpowered build, so you don't need to level anything up. You can spend gold on other things than poms though. I think if it as a Pom now or two thirds of a boon later
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Feb 26, 2020 20:29
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Wafflecopper posted:You can spend gold on other things than poms though. I think if it as a Pom now or two thirds of a boon later Well yeah, that comparison is done under the assumption that a pom is something you want and would consider a worthwhile use of your 100 bucks.
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Feb 26, 2020 21:06
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Since you're guaranteed the big shop in Styx (which will always have more than you can buy without Chaos/Neptune boons upping coin rates), it weighs against going to shops during the run, as long as you can make it to the Temple. Plus, the buyable bounty reward is arguably more worthwhile than any amount of boons you could buy before facing down Hades.
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Feb 26, 2020 21:16
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Glare Seethe posted:Does anyone take anything other than Refreshing Nectar from Eurydice? Feels like Asphodel is early enough that you'll always have three boons to use it on, especially since it can make it easier to get legendaries/duos. I can never justify taking anything else; maybe if you could choose which boons to upgrade immediately rather than it being random. The boon level one doesn't feel great, since boons don't scale well past level 1-2 and there are usually enough poms to upgrade your important boons anyway.
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Feb 26, 2020 21:25
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Coin as a resource confers no benefit until it's spent. It's good to have some on hand in case you need healing or are chasing a specific upgrade, but normally there's not much reason to hoard it unless you're trying to pick up an extra blood/diamond in Styx. Likewise, even a ho-hum boon that you pick up early starts to benefit you right away and can help you throughout a run. I'll take the immediate benefit over a theoretical later benefit that may not materialize. Seriously, if I can minimize the chances of a ending up with a slog build by grabbing a questionable boon or two along the way, I'm all in.
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Feb 26, 2020 21:46
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Incoherence posted:If you have a bunch of garbage up to that point, you might want to take the future boon upgrades in the hopes that you'll get something not trash? I didn't phrase that well, that's the one I was referring to that I always take.  Should've been "always get three boons".BobTheJanitor posted:I haven't looked at the numbers well enough to be sure, but it seems like an increase in rarity and an increase in level are roughly the same power increase (at least when going from lv 1 to lv 2 in a skill). Maybe I undervalue poms, I don't know. I also haven't checked the numbers too closely but feels like more often than not my reaction when I get a pom is a solid meh. I might also be getting hoodwinked by the boon color changes, unexpectedly seeing a rarer color than blue sells "meaningful upgrade" really well.
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Feb 26, 2020 21:52
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Incoherence posted:If you have a bunch of garbage up to that point, you might want to take the future boon upgrades in the hopes that you'll get something not trash? This is my issue with the poms, they feel not worth it if you already have one or two on a boon. I'd rather stack more boons than pick up a pom unless I've already picked up a ton of boons.
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Feb 26, 2020 21:56
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Some boons really like poms. Stuff like hangover and blade rifts bottom out to +1 damage per level right away, but because they do damage so fast that +1 is still meaningful. I've had runs where I pump a boon up into the teens.
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Feb 26, 2020 22:02
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So how should I be spending my Titan Blood? Are there weapon aspects that benefit more/the most from investment? For context, I suck with all weapons equally.
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Feb 26, 2020 22:22
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Poms are great for Artemis. Deadly strike and pressure points both really benefit, especially pressure points. And I'm almost always a fan of bringing a call up to level 2, including hers, which is best against bosses.
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Feb 26, 2020 22:33
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kaschei posted:Obols over Pom? Seems extremely situational. I would tend to prefer power now over maybe power later, but some times there’s really nothing you care to add numbers to. Also you’ll never have to choose between key/shadow/gems/nectar and any of the others except shop. And you leave out shops, which are a big strategic question. I’ll take a shop over any of the permanent currencies if I have 200 obols for a hammer. Occasionally I’ll get forced into taking an end-of-biome shop with no money but even then all I’m missing out on is obols from the monsters I’d have killed. I also always take Obols over Pom because A) I want to buy either blood or a diamond in Styx and B) if I have enough money left over then I want to buy a Hermes boon in Styx. This also means that I prefer Chaos boons that give extra obols over health or darkness boosters, so that choice also tends to bias me toward obol rooms fashionly snort posted:So how should I be spending my Titan Blood? Are there weapon aspects that benefit more/the most from investment? For context, I suck with all weapons equally. Zagreus Sword max-buffed is both really good and satisfies a quest you may get later, so that's a no-brainer Chaos Shield is really really good when maxed out I like Guan Yu so I maxed that out recently Otherwise max out the weapons you like the most
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Feb 26, 2020 22:34
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An increase in rarity also makes boons scale better per level, no? I don't know the exact math on the average boost but I wouldn't be surprised if an Epic lvl.2 boon is better than a Rare lvl.4 or something like that.
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Feb 26, 2020 22:35
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Obols are better than poms unless you're running full Convenience Fee, probably. Charon sells boons, and more boons will unlock Tier 3s and Duos that can completely break your run for you, as well as just letting you scratch out trash boons to get to the key ones for a particular god. I reroll Poms and Hearts until I'm out of Authority.
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