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quidditch it and quit it posted:I trust you: who’s still a raving lefty in the party because they can have my vote? CoolCab posted:rlb for leader, bergoon/butler for deputy is the thread consensus. I agree and don't know if it's gonna help P much this.
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Feb 26, 2020 12:16
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Can you put a poll on an old thread? Then people wouldn't need to ask? Although I suppose its almost next month now.
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Feb 26, 2020 12:19
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Can you put a poll on an old thread? Then people wouldn't need to ask? No offence, but this thread hasn't exactly had a decent time when it comes to political predictions.
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Feb 26, 2020 12:20
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Saros posted:P much this. Thank you.
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Feb 26, 2020 12:25
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Ash Crimson posted:No offence, but this thread hasn't exactly had a decent time when it comes to political predictions. surely people can manage to predict, or dict even, who they are personally going to put on the form?
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Feb 26, 2020 12:27
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NotJustANumber99 posted:surely people can manage to predict, or dict even, who they are personally going to put on the form? We can't possibly know that
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Feb 26, 2020 12:29
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NotJustANumber99 posted:surely people can manage to predict, or dict even, who they are personally going to put on the form? I mean, I couldn't. I cant manage getting involved in NEC politics even though I know its important. It's hard enough staying in Labour at all.
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Feb 26, 2020 12:31
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Are you suggesting we should vote based on who would be most likely to win the next GE? That's Starmer, easily, he's gonna get a much easier ride in the press owing to the fact that he's not even slightly left wing, has promised to lock the left wing out of power, isn't a woman, and Johnson is Bad For Business so there's good incentive to support someone else, just as long as they're not left wing & won't allow the left anywhere near power. Basically he's the most likely winner because he's right wing, which is also a very good reason not to vote for him. (still don't think he'll actually win a GE though, not because of the absence of media support but due to the fact that nobody gives a gently caress about centrism anymore)
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Feb 26, 2020 12:35
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Borrovan posted:Are you suggesting we should vote based on who would be most likely to win the next GE? That's Starmer, easily, he's gonna get a much easier ride in the press owing to the fact that he's not even slightly left wing, has promised to lock the left wing out of power, isn't a woman, and Johnson is Bad For Business so there's good incentive to support someone else, just as long as they're not left wing & won't allow the left anywhere near power. The press will turn on him the instant he's put in as leader.
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Feb 26, 2020 12:37
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Junior G-man posted:The press will turn on him the instant he's put in as leader. 
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Feb 26, 2020 12:41
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https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1232606961025404928 Nothing to see here, move along.
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Feb 26, 2020 12:45
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If the British economy hits the skids because of (a) brexit but mostly say (b) global coronavirus, I wonder if at the next general election the tories will get the full on blame for a global problem the way Labour got the blame for the US-led global financial crisis even though Gordon Brown essentially saved the UK economy from complete wreckage? Rhetorical question. Corbyn will get the blame.
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Feb 26, 2020 12:47
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Pilchenstein posted:Yeah they will. Also lol at the idea of getting elected because you're "good for business" as if the nation hasn't consistently voted to light the economy on fire for the last five years I reckon he'll get an easier ride than anyone else would, because he's a neolib, and because most of* the rich would loving love to have Blair or Cameron back in compared to Johnson. It's just speculation at this point though. & I still don't think he can win a GE, I'm talking about the press here, not the public. E: *excludes disaster capitalists, Boris Johnson, Boris Johnson's mates, Boris Johnson's mum, Boris Johnson's dog E2: actually probably not the last 2, they're getting sold to the yanks lol Borrovan fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Feb 26, 2020 |
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Feb 26, 2020 12:52
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mehall posted:I don;t think this'll need saying, but for anyone unfamiliar - That copy of Discworld: Ankh Morpork in shrink is worth more than the cat. You can easily get £100 for it if you want.
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Feb 26, 2020 13:02
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So Nestles ethically sourced Nespresso coffee beans are picked by child labour paid a few pound per days work. I’m sure they’ll clean up their supply chain and won’t just temporarily fix it like the fashion brands do every time they are caught using sweatshops.
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Feb 26, 2020 13:11
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Ash Crimson posted:No offence, but this thread hasn't exactly had a decent time when it comes to political predictions. It's not a prediction poll, it's a "who the best candidate is from a leftist perspective" you fud
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Feb 26, 2020 13:16
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lmao if you havent' been boycotting nestle for like decades already e: Voted RLB>Nandy and Butler>Burgon>Rayner>RAK and the Momentum NEC Duo Not sure about Nandy at all but I do like towns and I expect she'll come 3rd anyway rendering my 2nd pref irrelevant sebzilla fucked around with this message at 13:18 on Feb 26, 2020 |
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Feb 26, 2020 13:16
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forkboy84 posted:It's not a prediction poll, it's a "who the best candidate is from a leftist perspective" you fud No need for the hostility my friend
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Feb 26, 2020 13:17
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Borrovan posted:Because the alternative was socialism. I think Starmer is seen as the Arch-remainer and will sink us in a GE because we need to reclaim brexit-voting seats and they are unlikely to vote in someone who will loudly want to rejoin the EU. He's most likely to kill the lib-dems, though.
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Feb 26, 2020 13:18
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Jedit posted:That copy of Discworld: Ankh Morpork in shrink is worth more than the cat. You can easily get £100 for it if you want. poo poo, that's kinda tempting, I've had it forever and never decided to play it.
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Feb 26, 2020 13:31
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I wanted to post about this because i also want to gush about the NHS Sorry about your mum. I only worked in one NHS hospital (though for ~10 years) so I can't tell if it's the same elsewhere, but I'd absolutely choose it over a private unit if I got cancer. I'm now in a country with completely privatised medicine and my girlfriend was just told the next available appointment with her GP will be in 6 weeks. I was at a transplant conference in the US last week and there was a panel discussion on medicare for all. This douchebag doctor at Credit Suisse was the "against" guy and was just consistently lying. One of his points was that some treatments aren't available on the NHS, and that also private medicine exists in the UK, and as a result people don't like the NHS. I wanted to use the question session to make the point that the NHS's main problem is being systematically starved of cash, and increasing spending from 7% GDP to 8% would solve most of the problems while still being 10 percentage points lower than US spending. But I didn't because I would probably lose my job and that makes me sad.
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Feb 26, 2020 13:43
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Borrovan posted:Are you suggesting we should vote based on who would be most likely to win the next GE? That's Starmer, easily, he's gonna get a much easier ride in the press owing to the fact that he's not even slightly left wing, has promised to lock the left wing out of power, isn't a woman, and Johnson is Bad For Business so there's good incentive to support someone else, just as long as they're not left wing & won't allow the left anywhere near power. Starmer is far less electable than RLB. I don't know how you look at the current political moment and think that a an elite-lawyer arch-remainer Londoner is a vote winner. The press will hammer anyone Labour chooses.
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Feb 26, 2020 14:04
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mehall posted:poo poo, that's kinda tempting, I've had it forever and never decided to play it. It's a good game though, especially if you like Discworld. I'll bring it along if I ever make it to the Glasgow meets.
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Feb 26, 2020 14:08
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Borrovan posted:Because the alternative was socialism. If you think most of the rich give a gently caress as long as they don't pay tax and they're not dragged bodily out of their houses and guillotined, I've got a bridge to sell you.
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Feb 26, 2020 14:09
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Voted: RLB, Butler/Burgon/Khan/Rayner, also Momentum NEC of Townsend and Drennan now to wait for the inevitable Starmer drift rightwards while freshly-melted former Corbyn supporters desperately try and justify the new policies as left-wing (and/or Sensible) and also, retrospectively, why their choice of Starmer was correct
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Feb 26, 2020 14:12
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Comrade Fakename posted:Starmer is far less electable than RLB. I don't know how you look at the current political moment and think that a an elite-lawyer arch-remainer Londoner is a vote winner. The press will hammer anyone Labour chooses. I'm not saying Starmer is a brilliantly electable no brainer, but if he is beating Long-Bailey to the leadership then I don't really see how he 'is far less electable'? And thats just the leadership not the general election. This is just wishful thinking.
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Feb 26, 2020 14:16
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NotJustANumber99 posted:I'm not saying Starmer is a brilliantly electable no brainer, but if he is beating Long-Bailey to the leadership then I don't really see how he 'is far less electable'? And thats just the leadership not the general election. This is just wishful thinking. The implication of a Starmer win would be that tacking right wins elections, and if that's the case, he cannot tack far enough right to out-tack the proto-fascists.
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Feb 26, 2020 14:21
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NotJustANumber99 posted:I'm not saying Starmer is a brilliantly electable no brainer, but if he is beating Long-Bailey to the leadership then I don't really see how he 'is far less electable'? And thats just the leadership not the general election. This is just wishful thinking. LOL loving hell is this a real thing you've actually said? Jesus wept.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:I'm not saying Starmer is a brilliantly electable no brainer, but if he is beating Long-Bailey to the leadership then I don't really see how he 'is far less electable'? And thats just the leadership not the general election. This is just wishful thinking. Well, we'll find out if Keir is winning or not soon enough. But I can say from having read hundreds of people's emails to the RLB campaign that the main thing people complain about RLB is electability. So people are choosing based on who they think will win, not who they actually like that much. And I would say that many people's idea of what is "electable" are total bollocks.
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Feb 26, 2020 14:23
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forkboy84 posted:LOL loving hell is this a real thing you've actually said? Jesus wept. Lol, the person that wins an election is far less electable than the one that doesnt?
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Feb 26, 2020 14:24
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"electability" is such poison to any discourse because it's meaningless beyond being code for "murdoch might let this candidate kiss his ring".
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Feb 26, 2020 14:26
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knox_harrington posted:I'm now in a country with completely privatised medicine and my girlfriend was just told the next available appointment with her GP will be in 6 weeks. 
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Feb 26, 2020 14:27
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he's Mr Remain and sounds like a tea kettle. he just looks "electable"
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Feb 26, 2020 14:27
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Aahaha fuuuuuuuck
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Feb 26, 2020 14:28
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Lol, the person that wins an election is far less electable than the one that doesnt? And that's why every single Labour leader has become prime minister, since they all won leadership elections.
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Feb 26, 2020 14:33
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Nandy is most electable based on my polling of 1 boomer who voted brexit and for Boris
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Feb 26, 2020 14:33
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Sorry, people ITT have lost relatives recently and I don't want to step on that, but we just got back from having to have our old man Sugi put to sleep and it loving sucks. He was an ancient cat, 19 and a bit, and keeping him longer would have been cruel, so it was far from unexpected (he actually managed to make repeated rallies of health towards the end) and neither of those things help. Please hug your pets extra today. Rest in Peace you fantastic old man.
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Feb 26, 2020 14:34
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nandy would get elected before starmer, for sure. god people underestimate how pissed off people are over Brexit delays.
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Comrade Fakename posted:And that's why every single Labour leader has become prime minister, since they all won leadership elections. I think people are being deliberately obtuse now. Similar arguments were often used to defend Corbyn, hes seen off all these attempts at the leadership, etc.
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