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It's one million years in the future of the future and the Federation is one smooth-faced humanoid with a single ridge on their forehead, tooting a noisemaker. "Happy one-million-and-some-uncertain-number-of-centuries-th Founding Day, Federation of Planets!" Everything outside their small chamber is endless phaser pistolwhipping
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Brawnfire posted:It's one million years in the future of the future and the Federation is one smooth-faced humanoid with a single ridge on their forehead, tooting a noisemaker. All the ships are like, so flat
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Feb 26, 2020 15:46
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Yeah the Klingon war was terrible despite having promise in the first two episodes ended up being the season B-plot. The only 'war story' that's left for Star Trek to tell is the one that Enterprise was inching towards by the end, which is this idea that the genesis of the Federation comes from Starfleet forming a coalition to punch the Romulans hard in the face. There's a story there that's difficult to tell while being relevant and maintaining Star Trek's optimism, but there's some kind of WW2-leading-to-UN allegory you could draw out being forced to work together builds trust and so on and so forth.
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Feb 26, 2020 15:56
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zoux posted:It was a peptide cake With mint frosting
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Feb 26, 2020 16:06
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zoux posted:I quite like the Orville but it is absolutely and intentionally a TNG pastiche, which I don't have a problem with at all, because I loved TNG. Seth loves it too and you can tell, and that sincerity of it is part of the appeal. It makes sense why people who were hoping new Star Treks would be more like the older series would prefer it to the newer ones. My only real 'issue' with it is that if i want to watch the stories they're doing I can watch TNG or DS9, where they were done with better writing, acting, and production values. And the actual in-setting trademarked names.
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Feb 26, 2020 16:10
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zoux posted:I quite like the Orville but it is absolutely and intentionally a TNG pastiche, which I don't have a problem with at all, because I loved TNG. Seth loves it too and you can tell, and that sincerity of it is part of the appeal. It makes sense why people who were hoping new Star Treks would be more like the older series would prefer it to the newer ones. Agreed, and I don't think Seth has ever been anything but open about his gigantic boner for TNG, specifically. I just think it's funny that I've noticed (not necessarily here, not calling anyone out) that a lot of people who were vocal about Disco not being Trek enough were also vocal about Orville being too Trek. Lovely Joe Stalin posted:My only real 'issue' with it is that if i want to watch the stories they're doing I can watch TNG or DS9, where they were done with better writing, acting, and production values. And the actual in-setting trademarked names. They've done some direct plot lifts but there's also a lot of original material. I also disagree on the acting, and writing, for the most part the crew and dialogue is pretty great. Also the production values are great on Orville, I dunno where that criticism is coming from. The sets and effects look great, the music is a highlight even among TV shows in general, etc. Season 1 suffered from "Seth could only get Fox to greenlight it because it was pitched as 'Star Trek with Family Guy jokes'" but it really starts to hit its stride in S2. VVVVVVV I generally loathe anything he's in but he's so loving earnest and into it that I can put it aside. It also helps that his character has some major flaws, but they're kind of addressed head-on. Snow Cone Capone fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Feb 26, 2020 |
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Feb 26, 2020 16:22
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I'd watch Orville if Seth McFarlane hadn't cast himself as the lead. He really rubs me the wrong way.
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Feb 26, 2020 16:24
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Gonz posted:In the new Picard Countdown comic series, the post-Picard captain of the Enterprise E is Worf. With a spoiler tag that size, there's only one character it could possibly be! Captain Leland T. Lynch, Sir!
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Feb 26, 2020 16:26
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Snow Cone Capone posted:
Also if it wasn't bad season one then it wouldn't be accurate to the source material! Kind of disappointed the s2 finale wasn't a clip show though. Snow Cone Capone posted:VVVVVVV I generally loathe anything he's in but he's so loving earnest and into it that I can put it aside. It also helps that his character has some major flaws, but they're kind of addressed head-on. I mean, homie basically made an extremely high production value ST fan film and cast himself in the captains role, which, yeah I'd do that too https://i.imgur.com/k6FFlYx.mp4
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Feb 26, 2020 16:46
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zoux posted:Also if it wasn't bad season one then it wouldn't be accurate to the source material! Kind of disappointed the s2 finale wasn't a clip show though. Yeah, but the S2 finale being basically a Star Wars tribute ep was pretty great
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Feb 26, 2020 16:48
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Snow Cone Capone posted:Also the production values are great on Orville, I dunno where that criticism is coming from. I watched the space battle people were claiming was amazing and it looked hilariously cheap. Supergirl cheap. Also that whole thing of using Ikea furniture for their mess hall
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Feb 26, 2020 16:56
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This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cENOaERdJhc 
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Feb 26, 2020 17:00
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marktheando posted:I'd watch Orville if Seth McFarlane hadn't cast himself as the lead. He really rubs me the wrong way. this is my biggest hurdle with the show as well
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Feb 26, 2020 17:10
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please stop letting John Eaves design starships, he's getting worse at it over time
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Feb 26, 2020 17:16
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Think the Orville is at its best when it does stuff like the porn addiction episode; using TNG storytelling to explore a subject that Star Trek isn't set up to tackle head-on. It is the best use of the "Seth Macfarlane in space" set up IMO.
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Feb 26, 2020 17:56
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FuturePastNow posted:please stop letting John Eaves design starships, he's getting worse at it over time To be fair, Star Trek doesn't exactly have a great history of good spaceship design.
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Feb 26, 2020 18:02
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Snow Cone Capone posted:
Yeah I was a bit two ways on this, but ultimately I think the earnestness gives the show that 90's tv show Star Trek feel to it. I'm happy with a world in which McFalane is doing 'remember the optimism of the 90's?' and Stewart is also doing 'remember the optimism of the 90's' but in two very different ways.
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Feb 26, 2020 18:07
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TV IV › Modern Star Trek Megathread: Picard, Orville, Discovery, Lower Decks, and S P O C K
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Feb 26, 2020 18:09
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marktheando posted:I'd watch Orville if Seth McFarlane hadn't cast himself as the lead. He really rubs me the wrong way. I was worried about this as well but really he's feels far less of a lead then a Star Trek captain. Also they made him kind of a lame creep and don't shy too much from pointing that out.
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Feb 26, 2020 18:34
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socialsecurity posted:I was worried about this as well but really he's feels far less of a lead then a Star Trek captain. Also they made him kind of a lame creep and don't shy too much from pointing that out. Yeah I was pretty apprehensive that he would write himself as infallible but they've been pretty good about pointing out when he's being a creep or a dumbass Honestly I think they've knocked it out of the park in a lot of regards. I was ready to roll my eyes at "robot/human love plot Delta Six" but it's done really well e: my most scorching take is that I think the Moclans are a more fleshed-out and coherent society than the Klingons
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Feb 26, 2020 18:42
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Tighclops posted:I get what he's saying but I can't be the only person that read that whole thing and got douche chills Yes, but for your post. Like, even if you did read it, you were ready to react that way before you started, just horny to choke any discussion before it starts.
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Feb 26, 2020 19:42
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gently caress me, Andomeda was robbed.
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Feb 26, 2020 20:02
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gently caress that battle is awful. It looks like a lovely video game sequence. In fact that's an insult to video games because the battles in mass effect were better put together than that. Why is everything in the Orville so aesthetically awful?
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Feb 26, 2020 20:10
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Khanstant posted:Yes, but for your post. Like, even if you did read it, you were ready to react that way before you started, just horny to choke any discussion before it starts. If you really genuinely believe that I have any power or desire to stop people from talking about this show in this thread or any place else then you're a dumbass. If you're that insecure about whatever shows you're watching than ditch the personal attacks, use the ignore function and move the gently caress on. Some people like the show, I think that's not unreasonable at all. I happen to think the show's producers are up their own rear end, I also don't think that's unreasonable. Feel free to discuss that everybody, permission loving granted
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Feb 26, 2020 20:11
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Regarde Aduck posted:gently caress that battle is awful. It looks like a lovely video game sequence. In fact that's an insult to video games because the battles in mass effect were better put together than that. Because it's copying TNG. Wall to wall bridge carpeting baby!
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Feb 26, 2020 20:12
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Tighclops posted:permission loving granted I see nutrek's dialog is rubbing off on you
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Feb 26, 2020 20:27
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Dogs fly the starships now
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Feb 26, 2020 20:32
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*checks Starfleet regs* God DAMMIT
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Feb 26, 2020 20:33
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Regarde Aduck posted:gently caress that battle is awful. It looks like a lovely video game sequence. In fact that's an insult to video games because the battles in mass effect were better put together than that. I mean I think it looks better than the space battles in Disco 
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Feb 26, 2020 20:36
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That would be a pretty good episode of a star trek. Dogs start rising up and demanding independence on earth or something, and then there's a whole conflict on how they fit in to society and government representation or whatever. Throw in a b-plot of Geordie hitting on a poodle and getting nowhere and you've got a solid c+ episode.
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Feb 26, 2020 20:36
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zoux posted:Because it's copying TNG. Wall to wall bridge carpeting baby! They have innovated at least in as much as the ships have evolved from moving on train tracks to (very slow) roller-coaster rails I guess. Tighclops posted:If you really genuinely believe that I have any power or desire to stop people from talking about this show in this thread or any place else then you're a dumbass. If you're that insecure about whatever shows you're watching than ditch the personal attacks, use the ignore function and move the gently caress on.
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Feb 26, 2020 20:36
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It is extremely 90s that every starfleet vessel is fully covered in berber carpeting. Guess we're lucky phase 2 never happened or it would've been full shag.
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Feb 26, 2020 20:39
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piratepilates posted:That would be a pretty good episode of a star trek. Dogs start rising up and demanding independence on earth or something, and then there's a whole conflict on how they fit in to society and government representation or whatever. Throw in a b-plot of Geordie hitting on a poodle and getting nowhere and you've got a solid c+ episode. Just species after species starts uplifting and we get to see our favorite characters increasingly use disgusting, age-old bigoted language against them. "I mean at least monkeys are the same shape as a human, it makes it easier to pretend they're actually real people... but a pig? Really? I'm supposed to care what bacon thinks?" "Jean-Luc! Really?!? He's family!" "You're all insane! I'm not out of touch! It's the next generation that's wrong!"
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Feb 26, 2020 20:41
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zoux posted:It is extremely 90s that every starfleet vessel is fully covered in berber carpeting. Guess we're lucky phase 2 never happened or it would've been full shag. The spiral staircase always makes me laugh a bit
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Feb 26, 2020 20:46
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Brawnfire posted:Just species after species starts uplifting and we get to see our favorite characters increasingly use disgusting, age-old bigoted language against them. Equal rights for bacteria! Justice for the Listerine Massacre!
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Feb 26, 2020 20:48
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Snow Cone Capone posted:The spiral staircase always makes me laugh a bit "Senior Staff to the Grand Ballroom"
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Feb 26, 2020 20:51
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Brawnfire posted:Just species after species starts uplifting and we get to see our favorite characters increasingly use disgusting, age-old bigoted language against them. This will probably happen in our lifetimes tbh. With the way opinions have started shifting over things like factory farming and animal cruelty, I can see society in a few decades looking back at owning pets as an artifact of a worse era.
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I was just thinking yesterday about this old chapter book I loved as a kid - at one point the human kid main character is on an alien ship and everyone is eating worms and he goes "ew gross I wish I had a hamburger" and all the aliens are absolutely horrified that humans would eat an animal as smart as a cow e: it was this book 
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Feb 26, 2020 20:56
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Snow Cone Capone posted:I was just thinking yesterday about this old chapter book I loved as a kid - at one point the human kid main character is on an alien ship and everyone is eating worms and he goes "ew gross I wish I had a hamburger" and all the aliens are absolutely horrified that humans would eat an animal as smart as a cow That's us in 10 years, but with crickets. Turns out crickets may be a much better protein source that isn't destroying the environment like cattle farming is.
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Okay, real talk, am I the only person that think gagh looks like it would be pretty good? That scene where Riker is chowing down on that Klingon smörgåsbord always makes me hungry.
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